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Next Wave Of Hard Drive Tech: Perpendicular Recording

angrytuna writes "New serial technologies are set to replace standard SCSI and ATA (Advanced Technology Attachment) interfaces over the next two years, even as hard-disk drive manufacturers prepare for an entirely new form of bit storage. Perpendicular recording will replace longitudinal recording in storage devices, placing bits on end instead of lying them parallel on the disc surface, thus dramatically increasing the possible storage density."

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  1. a shame then by toddhunter · · Score: 5, Funny

    that there is such a crackdown on file-sharing. If they take that away from us, then whats the point of having that much space?
    I wonder which side of the debate the hard-disk manufacturers are on?

    1. Re:a shame then by madsenj37 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not having to compress video and audio, thus not degrading the quality, is one use we would not mind having. It is good for both pros and average users alike.

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    2. Re:a shame then by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 4, Informative

      a crackdown on file-sharing. If they take that away from us, then whats the point of having that much space?

      Legitimate content.

      It's easy enough to end up with tens of thousands of photographs on your machine if you're in the habit of carrying a digital camera around. Now, think about what happens when you snap video clips the way you currently snap photographs.

      This is already happening. With cameras being integrated into phones, it's growing even more.

    3. Re:a shame then by James_G · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I just stopped on the way home and did some photo shooting. I took 57 photos in about an hour. At 7.2MB per shot, that amounts to ~414MB of files from just an hour of shooting.

      Post-editting results in TIFF files that are approximately 10MB in size. All told, this one shoot now occupies over 800MB on my fileserver - from just one hour of shooting.

      Oddly enough, people do in fact use vast amounts of storage space for reasons other than sharing mp3s and movies. As technologies improve (cameras increase resolution, video cameras likewise, millions of other reasons), the demand for space will increase as it always has done.

    4. Re:a shame then by steve_bryan · · Score: 2, Informative

      "faster (exponentially) solid state storage"

      I know you won't (or can't), but please take a moment to learn what exponential actually means. It does not mean really big like many people treat it. We already have words for that like "really big". Exponential growth refers to growth whose rate of increase is proportional to its magnitude. That's all. It satisfies the equation x' = kx.

      Solid state storage can be much faster than hard drive storage. There is nothing exponential about it. Incidentally there are various sorts of solid state storage. Some are faster than hard drive storage, some are not.

    5. Re:a shame then by Lebannen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's... odd.

      When you say uncompressed DV resolution... why use a format that isn't even DV if, by all likelihood, you're using something that came off DV? Is it to preserve the 32bpp? Or is this something you rendered yourself?

      Excuse the qusetions, just a curious video n00b... I though working with DVs ~215MB/min was bad enough... less than five minutes of footage per gig! Aaargh! High Density resolution is going to murder hard disks! ;)

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    6. Re:a shame then by swillden · · Score: 2, Informative

      Um, I meant *exactly* what I said. I'd like to see access times of new drives be fractions of what they are today, and transfer speeds exponentially, not incrementally, higher.

      The point is that "exponentially higher" doesn't mean much if the exponent is very small, or if the duration of a large exponent is very small. That being the case, "exponentially higher" doesn't really mean anything unless you quantify it in terms of rate and time, or at least specify some existing linear growth rate whose coefficient you'd prefer to be used as an exponent.

      Saying "I'd like to see transfer speeds get 10 times as fast every year for a few years" would be a meaningful statement. Saying "I'd like to see transfer speeds get 1% faster every decade for a few decades" is also a meaningful statement, and also describes exponential growth, but probably isn't what you wanted to say. Saying "I'd like to see transfer speeds 100,000 times faster than what they are now" is also meaningful, and may be what you want, but it isn't necessarily exponential.

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    7. Re:a shame then by steve_bryan · · Score: 2, Funny

      I read my reply again to see how condescending it actually was (it wasn't). Are you so thin-skinned that no one can point out errors to you without you taking offense? You misused the term exponential in the same way as almost every newspaper article, TV news program, and just about all of popular culture. But this is slashdot where I would presume there is at least a desire to be technically literate. Instead you just care about your ego so you reply "I meant *exactly* what I said".

      If it will make your ego feel any better, you are just abusing the term in the same way as 90% of the population. Eventually (already?) the preferred definition will be "really big" just like disinterested has been redefined by the majority to be synonymous with uninterested. But in a technical forum exponential will always retain its original meaning. Learn it. Use it correctly. Stop whining. Now that's condescending.

  2. Ahh, now I understand... by inode_buddha · · Score: 5, Funny

    If my drive bit is standing up, it must be hard. Ergo, hard drive.

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    1. Re:Ahh, now I understand... by divide+overflow · · Score: 3, Funny

      >Oh! Haha! A PENIS joke! That was funny!
      >Seriously, though: where did all you sickos come from?


      Apparently you've already forgotten that you are reading Slashdot.

    2. Re:Ahh, now I understand... by Grendol · · Score: 2, Funny

      Lets see, perpendicular storage technology Computer: What is #24 across? Hard Drive: AUTOEXEC.bat Computer: And #17 down? Hard Drive: Control.ini Computer: Well that doesn't make sense. (BSOD)

  3. so just turn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    the hard drive sideways... voila! perpendicular recording ;)

    1. Re:so just turn by tobywan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Stick the 1 bits through the holes in the 0 bits!!! (Patent pending.)

  4. Increased Reliability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am less concerned about the amount of stuff I can put on a hard-drive, and more concerned that the next time I boot up my computer, that stuff will still be there, as harddrives get more and more high-tech, the reliability seems to be taking a big nosedive, how will this effect the reliability of future drives?

    1. Re:Increased Reliability? by niko9 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am less concerned about the amount of stuff I can put on a hard-drive, and more concerned that the next time I boot up my computer, that stuff will still be there, as harddrives get more and more high-tech, the reliability seems to be taking a big nosedive, how will this effect the reliability of future drives?

      So what your'e saying is: The size of your "hard drive" doesn't concern you. You just want it to be in prime working condition when you do need it? ;)

    2. Re:Increased Reliability? by l810c · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Not to mention backing up that data. Why does backup technology lag so far behind drive technology? 100+ CDR's to backup the typical Hard Drive in today's systems. 25 DVD's, but still WAY too much. A tape sytems to backup the typical hard dirve in a reasonable amount of time costs in the thousands.

      I'd like to see Redundancy And Speed hit the consumer market more than the current volume. RAID 0+1 should be standard in at least mid level systems.

    3. Re:Increased Reliability? by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Why does backup technology lag so far behind drive technology?

      You know, drive technology IS backup technology. Just backup data to hard drives instead of tape or CDs. Also, I believe a big reason is the density of data. No longer can you have something like floppies, where punching a tiny hole in the media won't cause a problem. Now, a speck of dust making a tiny microscopic scratch would ruin megabytes of data on a HDD platter, so they can't make unsealed media like DVDs or tapes that dense, now can they?

      I personally never understood why sealed media never got popular. CDs with caddies would be far better, but people stuck with bare-assed, easily damaged CDs instead. Same problem with DVDs. Minidiscs aren't very popular unfortuanately.

      It's possibly that tightly sealed media could be much higher capacity than currently seen, but who's going to be the one who suggests to their boss that they should try doing something that has failed every other time it has been tried?

      Zip-style disks could potentially provide very high capacities, but they can't expand as quickly as hard drives... To do that, you'd need someing with it's own controller, like CompactFlash or hard drives.

      RAID 0+1 should be standard in at least mid level systems.

      I've said it before, and I'll say it again: "RAID is not a backup technology." When your main disk gets hosed by a virus, a clumsy user, or a system crash, that corruption is coppied to the other disc at light speeds... So what's the point? Offline backups are what is needed. RAID provides a solution for hardware problems, which is important with critical systems, but if the hard drive in my home PC crashes after a year, as long as I can restore a recent backup, and only be down for a few hours, it's not really a problem.
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    4. Re:Increased Reliability? by Dragoon412 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I couldn't agree more...

      Let's play a game of Find the Bottleneck!

      Pentium 4 3.0C 800mhz CPU: 6.4 GB/s bandwidth
      Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro GPU:: 21.8 GB/s bandwidth
      PC3200 DDR-400 RAM: 3.2 GB/s bandwidth
      ATA/133 Hard Drive: 133 MB/s bandwidth

      Now, I'm an avid gamer, and I fully realize that, comparing the performance, of, say, a video card to a hard drive isn't fair, because that video card has to do a lot more work than the hard drive, in a gaming environment. Still, when the video card's capable of pushing in the ballpark of 200 times the data that the hard drive is, it's quite telling of a deficiency.

      We already have more storage than virtually anyone knows what to do with. How about making the drives faster?

    5. Re:Increased Reliability? by idiotnot · · Score: 4, Informative

      You forgot 32-bit, 33 Mhz PCI bus @ ~150M/sec.

      Faster hard drives would need a faster bus to operate off. I went looking for a non-server board the other day with PCI-X (for gigE), and couldn't find one in a store.

      Drives aren't the only bottlenecks.

    6. Re:Increased Reliability? by Fweeky · · Score: 2, Insightful
      as harddrives get more and more high-tech, the reliability seems to be taking a big nosedive

      Not really. HD's are now more reliable than they've ever been; they're just a lot more common (9 HD's in my various systems at home now), and often not treated with the respect such precise electronics need.

      Tips to making sure your HD's at least reach their design life:
      1. Don't buy from that cheapo supplier who's boxes are always a bit mangled. HD's don't like shock, even when they're off.
      2. Keep your drives cool. Especially now 7200RPM is so common, drives frequently report temperatures rivaling that of CPU's. Heat is not good for drives or their electronics, and a lot of cases have their 3.5" bays in air deadzones. A slow, effectively silent fan could mean the difference between a 3 year lifespan and a 7 year one.
      3. HD's are fragile. Treat them like eggshells; don't force them into that tight little bay on your cheapo case and end up ramming it into the front of the bay. Duh!

      Common sense, really...
    7. Re:Increased Reliability? by Mooncaller · · Score: 4, Informative
      as harddrives get more and more high-tech, the reliability seems to be taking a big nosedive

      Talk about ignorant moderation. Sheesh.

      Hard Drives technology is very mature. Every innovation has involved incremental improvments to the same basic tech. So the notion of Hard Drives getting more high tech is false. Second, the reliability of Hard Drives has been steadily increasing in a nearly linear fasion since their introduction in the 60s. There has always been instances of a particular Drive model or model family having difficulties. These are special cases from a statistical point of view. Saying that these models represent the quality of all Hard Drives is like saying that terrorists represents all Irishmen. On top of this, many HD reliability issues are realy HD handeling issues, i.e. originating with the PC manufacturers, not the HD producers. So the second part of the statement is also false, in fact way false.

      how will this effect the reliability of future drives?

      If you bothered to read the full artical, you would know that one of the hold ups of this new approch is quality concerns. The HD manufacturers will not deploy it untill it is suitable for their high end ( i.e. most reliable) Hard Drive lines.

    8. Re:Increased Reliability? by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hard drives are _not_ a backup technology. The whole point of tapes/cds/dvds/etc is to decouple the data storage from the reader. Thus the data is often stored in a solid state medium making it less succeptable to failure while the reader often contains lots of moving parts making it more prone to fail. So, if the two are decoupled, when the reader breaks, I just get a new one and my data is safe. But if we 'backup' on a hard drive, and the hard drive crashes or the internal hard drive reader crashes, we can't simply get a new reader, the data is just gone.

      A RAID array could be considered a backup tech if the array was treated as a backup device like a cd/dvd/tape and not just a RAID of the main 'live' system. You could still run into the problem of a drive in the array failing, but since the data is replicated, you're safe, just replace the drive, re-sync and continue on your way.

    9. Re:Increased Reliability? by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The whole point of tapes/cds/dvds/etc is to decouple the data storage from the reader.

      No, it is just a techical decision to do things that way... Hard drives are too bulky and expensive for small ammounts of storage, and tape drives are too expensive to have one tape per drive, not to mention the bulk.

      Thus the data is often stored in a solid state medium making it less succeptable to failure while the reader often contains lots of moving parts making it more prone to fail.

      In the real world, that isn't really the case. Your tapes are more likely to be damaged than a hard drive, mainly because the hard drive is extensively sheilded. Moving parts are only a problem after a long long run-time. If a hard drive's mechanical parts were working when you stored it, it will almost certainly work when you need to recover from it... Not to mention that hard drives CAN have everything but the platters swapped if you can find an identical device, or can be recovered manually by any simple data recovery center.

      A RAID array could be considered a backup tech if the array was treated as a backup device

      If you're talking about a live backup, you shouldn't be. One power surge could take out an entire RAID array. If you are talking about off-line, I have no idea why you bring up RAID.

      Backup tapes are known to fail as well... That's why you make two of each, and send one off-site. Even if you aren't that stringent, your backup scheme should certainly have a LOT of redundancy in it, no matter what your media. I would certainly bet that hard drive failures are far more rare than tape failures.
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  5. Comparing apples and hydrogen by Kris_J · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why does the article reference interfaces then talk about a new way of storing the bits on the disk survace?

    1. Re:Comparing apples and hydrogen by AllenChristopher · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It talks about new interfaces because we've been hearing so much about interfaces that it's a familiar topic to which readers will relate, and which can form a bridge into the story. It's a variety of lead paragraph.

      An article which simply jumps into a description of an esoteric subject can seem awkward and be difficult to understand, so journalists have long been taught strategies for lessening that initial impact. Many of these conventions don't play as well in the internet environment because a linking page has already told the reader what the article will really be about. This makes the lead seem like irrelevant wandering.

  6. And? by CompiledMonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the days of 250GB hard drives, who cares? All I'm concerned about is the speed of drives. Lets improve that for once...

    1. Re:And? by SpryGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, higher density means the same storage in a smaller form-factor, which means the read/write heads have to travel a smaller distance (both radially and logitudinally), which should yield a measurable boost in potential performance... no?

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    2. Re:And? by Tehrasha · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It wasnt all that long ago, I said the exact same thing about my first >500MB drive. If you think about the increase of drive capacity vs speed, and the vast amount of data racing by under those magnetic heads...I think its amazing that they have remained as fast as they have. In the old days it would have been like being at the Indianapolis 500, watching 18-wheel semi-trucks driving around the track at 100mph and picking out the one with 'PIGGLY WIGGLY' written on the side as it passes. Now they are doing the same race around the track at the same speed, but now with mosquitos instead of trucks, and they have to find the one with West Nile as it flys by.

  7. Details? by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does anyone have a link to a description of this that's more detailed than "stacking bits on end"?

    Are they using platters with trenches and storing information on the sidewalls?

    Are they using some means of reading and writing at many depths within the platter without disturbing other layers?

    The article says the technology has been under investigation for 20 years, so presumably there's a forest of technical literature on it.

    1. Re:Details? by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 5, Informative
      Essentially, as I understand it, with longitudinal recording the poles of the bits are pointed flat on the surface. Imagine a bar magnet. Put the long flat end of the bar on the platter. That's longitudinal recording.

      With perpendicular recording the bar magnet would be standing on it's end.

      Longitudianl recording is like this:

      N--S
      ------------------- platter
      Perpendicular recording is like this:
      N
      |
      S
      ------------------- platter
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    2. Re:Details? by deglr6328 · · Score: 4, Informative
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    3. Re:Details? by HiggsBison · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh, to answer your question then:
      Instead of the magnetic field changes being lateral, they are vertical. Don't worry, the substrate is deep enough. It's really just another way to write smaller. Instead of long skinny areas being charged front to back, or back to front, the areas are oriented up and down.

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    4. Re:Details? by infocalypse1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The "stacking bits on end" is done via two paths. First, head designs are being modified so that the magnetic fields are more vertically oriented. One of the buzzwords that will emerge is TMR for Tunneling Magneto-Resistive. The current dominant head design is GMR, or Giant Magneto-Resistive. For more details, do a Google search for both. The smaller the lateral width of the bit footprint, the higher the bit density. The other pathway to vertical recording is to change the shape of the crystals in the magnetic medium. As bit size decreases, it occupies only a few small primary crystals. If the crystals are made smaller, more uniform, and more vertically oriented, the bit footprint can be further reduced without compormising storage life. Relaxation of the magnetic field due to thermal noise, etc. is actually a much bigger problem, especially as the bit becomes distributed over fewer and fewer grains. Some of the current solutions to overcome stability problems involve stabilizing layers (e.g., Magic Dust). In any event, all the manufacturers are doing is to follow the HDD equivalent of Moore's law, which has held well since the 70s. Built it and it will get filled!

  8. Transition from 3.5" to 2.5"? by MoreDruid · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the article:

    HDD manufacturers said they expect to start replacing 3.5in. disk drives with smaller 2.5in. devices in enterprise products sometime within the next year.

    Why would they want to do this? Has it something to do with vibrations (or even shattering a disk) due to the extreme rpm's that these drives are running?
    I don't know much about this stuff, so could someone please enlighten me?
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    1. Re:Transition from 3.5" to 2.5"? by Alien+Being · · Score: 2, Informative

      Several reasons. Here are a couple. It takes less time for the heads to seek from the inside to the outsideof the platter. Smaller platters can be spun at higher rpms without flying apart.

    2. Re:Transition from 3.5" to 2.5"? by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 4, Interesting

      well as it is now the platters in 3.5 inch drives are no longer 3.5 inches, they have been getting smaller as they bump up speed of drives. It's physics, you just can't get speed with a big disk. Since the density of the platters for storage has increase shrinking the diameter has been ok. 3.5 inch drive is more of a form factor at this point, not a actualy dimension for the platters. I think the platters for the WD raptor a 10,000 rpm SATA drive are about 2.5 inches across.

      I like the move to smaller drives, This will be nice as people try to make computers smaller. I would also like to see a mini cd DVD format with mini cd drive only drives, shrink things up some more.

      I'm curious when they will make platters about 1 inch across and stack them on a shaft a few inches long and lay them flat in a drive case, instead of a few vertical slow platters, a whole bunch of horizontal fast small platters.

      The drive is the hold up in speed. It's the mechanical aspects that get hit by physics the most. When they get drives that go faster they can come up with a bus for it without much trouble. But currently why design a interface for HDs that can do say 1 terabyte/s if the drive can't even do 1/1000th of that. The electronics are simple, the drives arn't.

      What ever happen to solid state drives?

    3. Re:Transition from 3.5" to 2.5"? by zenyu · · Score: 4, Informative

      HDD manufacturers said they expect to start replacing 3.5in. disk drives with smaller 2.5in. devices in enterprise products sometime within the next year.
      Why would they want to do this?

      Average Access Time. Ever notice how it hasn't changed much in the last 20 years?
      It was like 10-20ms in 1984 and is like 3-9ms now? No matter how fast you spin the disk or how much cache you add you still need to move the head from one side of the platter to the other. With 5" drives it was a little over 2" with 3.5" its a little over 1", with 2.5" drives 0.75" It's also true that if you make it smaller you can spin it faster, but I don't think 15,000 rpm is really hitting the limits of the materials or they would already have made the platers non-uniform in thickness. They could also go to single crystal metals like they do in aeroplane turbine blades (not so expensive to do in quantity.)

      OTOH The disparity between bandwidth and access time is already embarrasing enough that I consider partitioning just half the space on my drives to improve access time. There are uses for big slow drives. For instance, things like audio and video if artists ever get their act together and jettison the media conglomerate dead weight they are carrying on their backs. Or for backups.

      At this point GBs of hard drive space is like the Mhz thing was with processors. Most consumers just read the density and maybe the dBs and transfer rate, like they used to buy 900Mhz processors and get just 16 MBs of RAM when a 50Mhz Processor with 128MBs of RAM would have been literally thousands of times faster because they were thrashing with too little RAM. Buyers should look at access time, then transfer rate, and then capacity, unless it is for backups or some such tape replacement use. They should partition their drives because real-life filesystems still suck at placing frequently accessed data closely and contiguously for actual access patterns. If people realized this, hard drive manufacturers would do things like have multiple independent heads accessing the same platters, two would be easy, three could probably be done with current technology, and many more could be done with different mechanical linkages (for instance, screews might be slower and less elegant than an arm at moving the heads, but if you could fit fifty heads accessing the platters at once you would probably have better worst and average case access time.) This also would require updating some drivers, but I don't think it would take long considering the performance payoff.

  9. Density doubling annually; access speeds lag by Allen+Varney · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This conversation with Jim Gray, head of Microsoft's Bay Area Research Center, has grim, eye-opening comments on the growing gap between storage densities and access speeds/bandwidth. Currently the most effective way to send a multi-terabyte disk array is by UPS -- turns out a UPS truck has a "bandwidth" equivalent to about 7 megabytes/second. And the problem of practical access speeds is only going to get worse. At current and near-future access speeds, searching a 20-terabyte disk might take a year.

    "At the FAST [File and Storage Technologies] conference about a year-and-a-half ago, Mark Kryder of Seagate Research was very apologetic. He said the end is near; we only have a factor of 100 left in density--then the Seagate guys are out of ideas. So this 200-gig disk that you're holding will soon be 20 terabytes, and then the disk guys are out of ideas. The database guys are already out of ideas!"

    1. Re:Density doubling annually; access speeds lag by HBI · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think RAID is going to come into its own in this environment of the future. Everyone will have an array. The obvious speed benefits of having drives doing tasks in parallel will be hard to ignore with these kind of storage densities.

      Perhaps the next big leap will be creating an 'array in a box' which is sold as a single unit. Imagine how many 2.5" HD mechanisms you can fit in a 5.25" disk drive bay, or even 2 3.5" bays. Then imagine them all operating in parallel.

      That might solve the problem, or at least make things feasible for a while yet.

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    2. Re:Density doubling annually; access speeds lag by N8w8 · · Score: 3, Funny
      searching a 20-terabyte disk might take a year
      And the 20-TB-question is.... Will you actually find the disk after a year of searching?
    3. Re:Density doubling annually; access speeds lag by evilviper · · Score: 2, Interesting
      At current and near-future access speeds, searching a 20-terabyte disk might take a year.

      That's assuming current speeds. Well, as data gets more dense, the access speed inherently gets much faster, assuming the RPMs stay constant. If physical size stays the same, random access can't really get too much slower. So what is it that is going to be bad about terabyte disks?

      we only have a factor of 100 left in density--then the Seagate guys are out of ideas.

      So what? All that means is that it's about time for solid-state storage to come into it's own...
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    4. Re:Density doubling annually; access speeds lag by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 2, Interesting

      those allready exist, and pretty common to. Many companies sell 2 drive raid setups with firewire connections. Also I have seen people put 4 2.5 inch HD's in a raid setup, and inside a Shuttle XPC of all places.

      I agree on the raid stuff though. I think soon i'm going to start making all my computers with at least a raid 1 setup and even better a 0+1 setup. HD's are getting cheap. RAID interfaces are getting very common, and SATA seams to be bring RAID with it. 4 WD raptors in a box could make for fun. And noise :(

    5. Re:Density doubling annually; access speeds lag by Allen+Varney · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's assuming current speeds. Well, as data gets more dense, the access speed inherently gets much faster, assuming the RPMs stay constant. If physical size stays the same, random access can't really get too much slower. So what is it that is going to be bad about terabyte disks?

      The problem, as Jim Gray outlines it in the ACMQueue article:

      "But starting about 1989, disk densities began to double each year. Rather than going slower than Moore's Law, they grew faster. Moore's Law is something like 60 percent a year, and disk densities improved 100 percent per year.

      "Today disk-capacity growth continues at this blistering rate, maybe a little slower. But disk access, which is to say, 'Move the disk arm to the right cylinder and rotate the disk to the right block,' has improved about tenfold. The rotation speed has gone up from 3,000 to 15,000 RPM, and the access times have gone from 50 milliseconds down to 5 milliseconds. That's a factor of 10. Bandwidth has improved about 40-fold, from 1 megabyte per second to 40 megabytes per second. Access times are improving about 7 to 10 percent per year. Meanwhile, densities have been improving at 100 percent per year."

      There's a lot more about this in the article. Check it out; it's +5 Informative stuff.

    6. Re:Density doubling annually; access speeds lag by pjrc · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Quoting the parent post, who was quoting Jim Gray...

      At current and near-future access speeds, searching a 20-terabyte disk might take a year.

      Today's drives run about 20 to 50 Mbyte/sec from the platter. You can get 133 Mbyte/sec from the tiny buffer, of course, but for a whole-drive search, let's assume you're going to read 20 terabytes at 30 megabytes/sec. My calculator says that's 666667 seconds, or 7.7 days. Yes, a long time to wait, but 7.7 days is a long way from "might take a year". Even if you get only 10 Mbyte/sec, which is much slower than the drive's benchmark'd transfer speed but might happen with operating system and other other overhead, you're still at one month, not one year. To take an entire year reading 20 TB, you'd need to sustain only 634 kbyte/sec transfer. Hard drives haven't been that slow for a very, very long time.

      I'll be Jim Gray (head of Microsoft's Bay Area Research Center) believes what we all need is to dump FAT32, NTFS (ext2, ext3, JFS, Reiser, XFS, etc) and go to whatever database oriented filesystem Microsoft is cooking up for 2005 in "longhorn"... or whatever they're naming it nowadays. The sad part is that it'll require faster CPU and hard drive to achieve the same performance of older MS system, assuming they continue the long running trend of "innovation".

  10. Density is nice, but I need speed! by smokeslikeapoet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Storage density is one thing, but storage speed is another. With 200 GB hard drives readily available, and relatively cheap, the main thing I'm itching for is increased access and transfer speeds. Not just the controller speed as most hard drives still only maintain a constant transfer speed of 33Mbps. Theoretically, a denser drive at the same rotational speed will transfer data faster than a less dense drive, but will we see a dramatic improvement in sustained transfer speeds? While this transfer speed is acceptable while watching a DivX movie, it's really a pain while ripping a DivX movie. (A movie that I shot in my backyard, and authored, and own the rights to, and am ripping for the pure exitement as I would never violate a copyright.)

  11. Other Three dimensional storage by DakotaSandstone · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Storing bits in three dimensions? Kindof reminds me of Holographic Memory. Also, dual-layer DVD's to a lesser extent.

    Of course, both of these are non-magnetic. And holographic memory is still research-only, as far as I know.

    I wonder, will magnetic storage (in any number of dimensions) ever get eclipsed by non-magnetic ones like these?

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    1. Re:Other Three dimensional storage by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder, will magnetic storage (in any number of dimensions) ever get eclipsed by non-magnetic ones like these?

      Maybe.

      The disadvantage optical schemes have is that the size of a bit's worth of storage medium is the size of a wavelength of light. While magnetic media have limits too, the ultimate density limit for EM devices is the size of a small cluster of atoms (or even one atom) - much, much denser.

      While holographic schemes store bits in a distributed manner instead of in individual buckets, the limit ends up being the same (proof is beyond the scope of this reply; think "Fourier transforms").

      My own bet is that storage of the future will be through some kind of electrical scheme that lends itself to chemical self-assembly (picture a 3D tangle of polymer spaghetti where every crossing of strands can store one bit of information). Magnetic storage has enough of a lead that it will take quite some time for any alternative to catch up, though.

  12. Re:In other news... by MyHair · · Score: 2, Funny

    Forget that crap. We all know that isn't practical. Just use smaller fonts. That works today.

  13. Re:interface changes by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 3

    Could someone explain (/point me to a website) as to what this paragraph means?

    "We always have concerns about new connectors and backplane designs but those problems are minimized in a serial environment where the wiring is point-to-point,"


    "Connecting devices fast is a lot easier when there's only two of them."

  14. I'm not sure this will work by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they stand the 1's up, sure you can fit more because they're skinny. But 0's? They're wide...I don't see a significant amount of savings there...

  15. Standing bits on end... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, does this mean that instead of looking like this:
    0
    1

    All of my bits will instead look like this?:
    _
    -

    I suppose you can squeeze a lot more of them together that way, but is that really much of an innovation?

    Now, if they had figured out a way to fold the suckers, I'd be impressed.

  16. Re:In other news... by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...engineers are working with software developers on a way to dramatically reduce power consumption by maximizing the number of 0-bits in memory.

    The grain of truth to this joke: There is a well-known technique that reduces the number of 1s in words transmitted on a bus by inverting words that are more than half 1 (and setting an extra bit indicating that the word has been inverted). The idea is to reduce the number of transitions on the bus lines, as a change in state is what dissipates power.

  17. das shrunken by poptones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More relevant than this technology that is still many years away, I find much more interesting the part about the desktop industry moving to 2.5" drives. So in the next year or so we'll be able to buy very high density, fast drives that can fit in a pocket and already have serial interfaces! All we need are sata jacks on the front panel and the world moves one giant leap closer to true "plug-n-play" goodness. Mail order sneakernets just got even cheaper!

  18. how bits on end would work........ by Sean+Johnson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have seen a few posts from folks not quite understanding how the "bits-on-end" approach works. Some were speculating that it might be holographic, multiple layers, or 3D and such. It is not at all that complicated as they are making it out to be. I heard it best described from Alan Shugart who started the company called Seagate. On an episode from "The Computer Chronicles" back in 1984 he described it as standing the magnetic particles on end to fit more in a given area, which is similar to how a cord of wood could fit into a given smaller area by standing them up on end instead of laying flat. So it really is simpler than you might imagine. Of course the implementation is anything but simple. This is especially evident by the fact that this idea was known as a way to increase storage density back in 1984, when even 200 million bits per square inch was not in a consumer product yet. It was merely in labs with thin film head technology poised to become the next big thing in a short time from that year.
    By the way, you can see old episodes of "The Computer Chronicles" at the Prelinger Archives collection.
    http://www.archive.org/movies/preling er.php.
    I believe Slashdot had a story about that a while ago. Good stuff! Great info can be had through those old episodes about computer history.

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    1. Re:how bits on end would work........ by sexylicious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, perpendicular to the plane of the platters. And just a technicality: there are no such things as magnetic particles. If you think so, cut that magnet in half and you'll always get another North-South pair. ;)

  19. Re:hmmm by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm curious to, but i think it's something like this. If I have a log laying on the ground i can rotate it around to put it in it's proper place. But if i stand it on end and rotate it about its axis to get it in its differant positions its not covering nearly as much space. But keaping it standing up is the problem since it naturaly wants to fall over, and you can't attach the base of it to the ground very well if your going to be spinning it all the time.

    This is just my thought on what there doing. But how data is actualy stored on a disk is a mystery to me, all i have is guesses. Soon as i think that one little thing not going the right way destroys a file causes me to think it must be weird magic voodoo.

  20. Back in the day by appleLaserWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the first Sun machines I used was a 3/160 with an external gigabyte disk array. The array was a washing machine size enclosure with a pair of 800 MB SMD disks with 8" platters. In 1994 this was a huge disk, in more ways than one!

    Interestingly, my little 486 with its 340 MB drive were far faster than the old Sun, and even competitive with the newer SparcStations. 7200 RPM baraccudas in modified enclosures (extra fans and breathing holes made the difference between life and death) were even faster when they arrived.

    After working exclucively with laptops for the past two years, I can see a clear parallel between the old 2.5" -> 2.5" transition and the 8" -> 5.25" -> 3.5" transitions in the past. Sure I keep a pair of 120 GB 3.5" disks in firewire enclosures around, but the 60 GB disk in my powerbook and the 30 GB disk in my Dell i8000 are more than adequate for daily use. My ipod even has 30GB, which is enough for my favorite music, the Warthog Jump video and a few other fun things.

    With emphasis on blade and 1-U servers, as well as cardcage oriented telecom gear, I can see a lot of value for 2.5" disks in the telecom and server markets.

  21. Sag by leonbrooks · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If you store 8 bits deep, you can read a byte in the same amount of time it takes to read a bit.

    AFAICT, they're not talking about multi-layer recording, they're just standing the existing bits on end so that the same amount of magnetic material uses up less surface real-estate. <deadpan>If they did multi-layer recording, they'd have to slow the drives down so that the surface of the disk wasn't so stretched by centrifugal "force" and the shallower bits didn't sag into the next cylinder. Otherwise they'd have to angle the heads WRT the platter surface, which means they can't fly them close enough to record that deep.</deadpan>

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  22. Re:How exactly... by randyest · · Score: 4, Informative

    Interesting? This clueless and sadly-late attepmpt at a FP is misleading everyone that reads it!. And you mods are to blame -- that's right: YOU!

    Grrr, RTFA: there is nothing "3D" about it. It's still a 2-dimensional array of bits on a platter. The density increase comes from standing the little areas of magnetic media on end, instead of laying down. So, a top view of the old scheme would look like:

    ||||||||
    ||||||||

    The new scheme, from the top:

    ::::::::
    ::::::::


    In this case 2x density, as the lower one has twice as many dots in the same area as the dashes of the upper. (That is, each dot or dash represents the area of the physical medium used to store one bit by changing its magentic orientation). Get it? No 3-d. No holograms. Just 2-4x density increase by changing the orientation of the bits from parallel to perpendicular (relative to the disk platter surface).

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  23. Can we get real here by Bruha · · Score: 2, Troll

    Okay for the last 20 years they've been working on this. WHY are they not looking into solid state storage? There are plenty of companies within 2 years will have drives that will blow away current drives in speed and capacity. One such company is using nanotech to offer 1 terabit per cm2. And it'll run at 10x the speed of current memory.

    I cant help to see how this is not wasted time trying to improve the platter drives in favor of pushing out solid state storage faster. The advantages alone overrule more development on platter systems. Imagine instead of 100mbps of bandwidth on the hard drive you would be getting 10gbps of throughtput, no moving parts and much less heat and a longer MTBF time along with size alone this would blow away the server markets..

    Who would care about the 16Gig memory limit when you have a solid state hard drive that ran faster than the memory array? Then you can just modify the software to use the Solid State Array (Think I'm going to patent this!hehe) SSA drive as memory and storage thus DB servers would have serious improvements compared to platter systems.

    1. Re:Can we get real here by brarrr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      well, this is one article about one idea. there are many more facets of magnetism research. i'm working on diluted magnetic semiconductors that put ~1ppm magnetic dopant into a semiconductor... this can conceivably allow for solid state, non-volatile, always on, (insert your term), memory. perp. recording has been around for a while, just not economically feasible, and who knows when it will be.

      there is no company who is reaching 1terabit per cm2, as there is something called the superparamagnetic limit

      sorry to bitch and moan, but it bothered me..

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  24. Video Example of Holographic Storage. Excellent ! by zymano · · Score: 2, Informative
    Download the video.

    http://www.inphase-tech.com/technology/

  25. 2.88M by atcurtis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Weren't the 2.88MB floppy discs perpendicular recording also?

    I distinctly remember reading that somewhere.

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  26. Hexagonal bits by MickLinux · · Score: 4, Funny
    I dunno why, but somehow this topic reminds me of a coversation like the following...

    See, there's a limit to how many bits you can store on a disk. I see. Because the area of the disk is limited I see. But you don't want a limit, you want more space. I want more space. But you can't have more space, because all of the bits are square they're square. and there's only so many square inches of surface. Only so much. Yes. Look at this disk. Radius 3.25" 3.25 It's a circle. It's round. Pie-R-square Pie-R-square So the area's limited. I see.

    And the bits, they're almost square, because that's the way the manufacturers' engineers like them. They like squares? Yes. I see. Well, really they're not square, they're almost square. And how's that? Well, they're square sections of a round arc. Not square? But almost square. Almost square. I see.

    So what do we do? I don't know. Well, we get a better packing fraction. Better packing fraction? Yes. That's the key. A better packing fraction. I see. And your data is round. Data is round Because the magnetic field is round. I see. And a square doesn't approximate a circle very well, does it? No. What does it better? A circle? Well, yes, but you can't do it with a circle, because circles bump each other. They bump each other? Yes, and they leave empty space between them. And we want a better packing fraction? Yes. So what do we take a cue from? I don't know. I know you don't know, but I'll tell you. We take a cue from the bee. The bee? The honeybee. He uses hexagons. Aaah. Hexagons. Yes, hexagons. They're all the future. The future? The future. The future. Yes, the future. Hexagons. Yes. That's where the money is. You're a nut.

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  27. Re:Windows Longhorn by SN74S181 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People seem to forget that if the media industries (all hated virulently on slashdot, it seems) are going to make money in the future with digital transfer, they'll need a means to shove content onto our local drives so we can watch it from there. In fact, one of the things that makes me suspicious regarding this new quantitative leap in storage... is that these drives might be DRM enabled in hardware.

    Yes, even if P2P is banned somehow, these high capacity drives will be needed. From the point of view of Hollywood, it is imparative that they be widespread, so they can shovel content onto them and charge us their appropriate fees for doing so.

    Not saying it's good or bad, just that it is.

  28. What this MEANS by TwistedSpring · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you have no idea what the difference between Longitudinal Recording and Perpendicular Recording might be, and the phrase "stands the bits on end" meant absolutely nothing to you because its an utterly ridiculous way to explain it, here's the lodown. Longitudinal recording is what we use today in everything from cassette tape to hard disks. It works by magnetising tiny sections of the recording medium. You can imagine the magnetised sections as tiny bar magnets laid end-to-end. The read head detects transitions in the direction of the magnetic field.

    <- -> <-- -> <- -->

    In the above diagram we're looking down at one track on the surface of a platter. Perpendicular recording works differently. The "magnets" or bits are arranged so that the field they emit is perpendicular to the medium, like this:

    x . x . x . x .
    In the above diagram we're looking down at one track on the surface of a platter 'x' represents a field pointing away from us, '.' is one pointing towards us. This is what it looks like in cross-section (looking in from the edge of the platter):
    ^ | ^ | ^ | ^ | ^
    | v | v | v | v |


    In perpendicular recording the read head detects the actual direction of the fields emitted by these bits/magnets, rather than transitions in the field. Perpendicular recording is advantageous because it allows one to use a much smaller surface area on the medium for one bit. Imagine if you laid a line of bricks end-to-end on the ground, you could make the line shorter but taller if you stood each brick on end (so they're laid flat-to-flat), but you've not had to make the bricks any smaller in order to acheive this change in the length of your line.

    Most of the above is hopefully right. Anyway it's a better explanation than that site gave.

  29. Re:How exactly... by Mr+Z · · Score: 3, Informative

    Both schemes store the bit to some depth physically. You can't have an infinitely thin bit. Both schemes also still use a 2-D grid of bits. (Well, polar grid, since it's a spinning disc.)

    A truly 3-D organization of bits within a single platter face would be something like those multi-layer DVDs, where within the same grid position you can access multiple bits by changing some aspect of the reading mechanism. (In the case of the DVDs, it's achieved by focusing the lense differently so only the desired layer is in-focus.)

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  30. No fair by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't make fun of my floppy. I know it's small, but I use it alot. :(

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    1. Re:No fair by kauttapiste · · Score: 4, Funny
      Don't make fun of my floppy. I know it's small, but I use it alot. :(


      Ah, so you didn't get the email telling you how easily you can increase the size of your floppy from 3.5" to 5.25"!

  31. A picture tells a thousand words by pflodo · · Score: 3, Informative

    ASCII art is great for porn but for technical stuff I prefer real images. This image cleared things up for me.

  32. What a poorly researched article by pbox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What a poorly researched article. It is way below EEtimes quality and should have never been published as it is.

    1. "As opposed to longitudinal recording, where the bits are impressed in a parallel format along the surface of a disc, perpendicular recording stands the bits on end, enabling more data storage per square inch."

    What does it stand the bits at the end? I have never seend a standing bit. Especially on the end of it. Now c'mon, it could have been described a little more "technically". This is not USA Today.

    And "impressed in parellel format" is such a crap of a phrase. It is not impressed, nothing touches, no impression, it is MAGNETIC, god damn!

    2. "Apple Computer Inc.'s new G5 computers are all SATA-based while Intel systems will by the end of this year be based on the new interface."

    Now this is utter turd. Before even G5 was announced, and probably before Jobs had the brainfart to invent them, some of the high-end PC motherboard manufacturers were already churning out SATA equipped motherboards. It was in the Intel development road map for several years now. I remember reading about it on Tom's 2 years ago.

    Mr. Bolaji Ojo (EBN), please do your homework. Do not just blair (as in Jayson) out an article. You do wipe your ass after takin a sh*t, don't you? I am just asking that you would apply the same attitude toward writing articles. Thank you for your future cooperation.

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  33. Re:hmmm by panurge · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Magnetic fields interfere with one another. If the tiny magnets that represent 1s and 0s get too close they can depolarise one another (=loss of signal).

    Think of matchsticks flat on the floor and standing up. The ones standing up will be further apart, or you could pack more in the same floor area and have them the same distance apart.

    The difficulty is, matchsticks have an easily distinguishable top and bottom end, but magnet ends are only distinguishable by the direction of flux. The bottom ends are buried in the media, so there are challenges in writing and reading the data because only one end of the magnet is accessible. Does this help?

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  34. Re:Because by pla · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They also talked about drive sizes changes (3.5in -> 2.5in)

    Bah, why always smaller???

    Current HDDs store 50Gb/in^2, and area increases with the square of the radius. That single inch decrease results in literally half the platter area (not counting the spindle). OTOH, with even current areal densities we could have 1TB 5.25" HDDs. THAT would make me a happy consumer.

    But no, that would make too much sense. Instead, they'll shrink the drive, requiring radical new (and untested in the wilds) technologies just to keep up with the same overall size.

    Hey, I can appreciate smaller in most aspects of technology. But as long as we store data on spinning platters, where surface area matters, bigger, up to the width of a typical case (ie, 5.25in), makes a WHOLE lot more sense. Hell, use 10" platters and design the case around the HDD lying parallel to the MB for all I care, as long as I have obscene amounts of drive space.


    Then again, I probably count as one of the few people who considered the Quantum Bigfoot series a great idea - Large, cheap, somewhat slower drives. For most uses, as long as a drive has a "reasonable" seek time and transfer rate (ie, within an order of magnitude of other modern drives), size matters more than speed. Most of us don't do realtime DV processing, we store tons of what amounts to largely offline content (ie, a huge CD changer would do just as well, other than for the drive we keep our OS on).

  35. Re:How exactly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, in my experience, engineers only like to brag about a new technique if it gives a 10x improvement. (Or more.) If you read the article, you would have noticed some numbers:

    The "brick wall" in magnetic recording is called the superparamagnetic effect. This is the point at which the recorded data starts to get lost in the thermal noise of the media. (As you approach the superparamagnetic, it becomes statistically likely for recorded bits to sporadically flip states resulting in data corruption.)

    For longitudinal recording technology, it is estimated that superparamagnetic will start to become a problem around 100Gbits/square inch recording density. (Current hard drive technology is around 50Gbits/square inch - so they are getting close to the wall.)

    Perpendicular recording technology is estimate to scale up to around 1Tbit/square inch.

    Now, what did I say about engineers liking to brag about 10x improvements? Well, 1Tbit is about 10x improvement over 100Gbit. How about that! :)

    What this means to you: if current hard drives store about 120GB using a recording density of about 50Gbit/square inch, then we can expect perpendicular recording to eventually deliver drives that store about 2.4TB extrapolating up to a 1Tbit/square inch. Even if this technology only works half as good, at least we will eventually have hard drives that store 1TB!

    On top of that, the article say they are moving away from 3.5" drives toward 2.5" even for "enterprise" applications. Now, if we get 1TB drives in 2.5" form factor that's going to result in some killer MP3^^err...uncompressed 24bit, 192kHz iPods :)

  36. PLAY by poptones · · Score: 2, Informative
    It's possibly that tightly sealed media could be much higher capacity than currently seen, but who's going to be the one who suggests to their boss that they should try doing something that has failed every other time it has been tried?

    PlaY tried it. Remember them? They had a really neat technology - not bigger than CD but much, much smaller. It was self contained so you could toss a dozen in your pocket like coins. It was actually this close to being a killer technology, then they got too close to the RIAA and DRM'd themselves out of existence.

    Hard drives are decent enough backup. They're now cheap enough to justify keeping a second drive just to duplicate everything on the first. But copying even 80Gb of data still takes damn forever, especially if the drives are in different boxes (I mean, if you're going to make a backup, you do want that backup protected in case of a power suply glitch... right?)

    But a pocket full of sealed discs is a lot more convenient and error resistant than a case of CDs. Then again, the next generation commodity RAM is supposed to be magnetic, so maybe we'll finally get that convenient, portable storage in the form of actual solid state "coins!"

  37. A temporary solution, a fundamental problem by ControlFreal · · Score: 4, Informative

    Although the solution proposed in the article would increase storage capacity by, say, a factor 2 or 4, it still is a temporary solution that does not solve the fundamental problem at hand.

    The fundamental problem is the superparamagnetic limit: if you make a magnetic domain (a bit) smaller than a certain size, it becomes thermodynamically unstable. In English, this means that very small bits loose their value after a while. It also means that for the time being, we'll have to use tricks to pack the bits closer together while keeping them large enough to be stable.

    It should be noted that perpendicular recording is not the only effort to achieve higher recording densities in the looming shadow of the superparamagnetic limit. Indeed, harddrive manufacturers have seen this problem coming for a number of years now, and have had meeting to discuss possible solutions.

    On a brighter note, there seems to be progress in circumventing the superparamagnetic limit: very recent research show promising results for the future.

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  38. Storage by panxerox · · Score: 2, Funny

    If I can't download anymore mp3s why do I need more storage?

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  39. what goes around... by kaaona · · Score: 2, Informative

    Historical Note: This "new" recording technique is the same one that failed to take hold in 2.88M EHD floppy disks about 15 years ago. Back then the new recording material was barium ferrite, whose magnetic domains arrange themselves vertically with respect to the substrate.

    Compared to ordinary floppy disks with horizontal magnetic domains, this technology had the potential of increasing data densities by as much as 2-3 orders of magnitude. Unfortunately, the new disks were expensive and not compatible with the huge installed base of 1.44M drives. EHD drives required BIOS changes that weren't possible in those non-FlashBIOS days. Even if those problems could have been solved, IOMEGA's Zip drives were offering far more bang for the buck.

    Of course, none of this would matter for hard drives.

  40. Re:summary by buckeyeguy · · Score: 2, Informative
    You might get more density if you used a proportional font in your post ;)

    It'd be more like:
    from --------
    to ||||||||

    Perpendicular recording would effectively replace a two-dimensional bit with a one-dimensional bit, from the recording head's point of view. (Or something close to that.)

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  41. It seems so obvious! by CatOne · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you look at a 1 or a 0 from the side, they're pretty big. But if you look at a 1 or a 0 from the top, they're a lot smaller! I guess a 1 will look like a dot, and a 0 will look like a line. That must be pretty easy to do, right? Pure genius!

  42. Not necessarily by Blue+Lozenge · · Score: 3, Informative
    A 15k rpm drive can read 500KB in the time it takes to seek to a new piece of data. Now what do you think happens more frequently while you use a computer, seeking to new locations on the disc, or reading contiguous blocks of 500KB or more? Now, unless you are streaming massive amounts of sequential data (eg. HD Video), your bottleneck will be access time, not throughput.

    The rotational speed of the drive is directly related to the access time. If the data you want is on the other side of the platter, you must wait for it to rotate 180 degrees before you can start reading, regardless of whether the disc is 1/2" in diameter or 2" diameter, whether there are 1GB per square inch or 10GB per square inch.

    When the head gets lined up with the track and ready to read, the data it's waiting for can be anywhere between 0 degrees and 360 degrees away. If you average out all those possibilities, you can expect the data to be about 180 degrees away.

    Now, a 15000 rpm drive rotates 180 degrees 30000 times per minute. Conversely, it takes 2ms to rotate 180 degrees. If you consider that a typical 15k rpm drive has an average seek time of 3.3ms and we know that 2ms are spent waiting for the disk to spin, than 1.3ms must be spent moving the head. This proves to me that rotational speed is more important to access time than data density.

    I'm no hard drive engineer, but I would bet that an increase in density would mean a decrease for rotational speed since a read head probably has a limited bandwidth. (This is probably why the faster-spinning drives typically hold less data.) If you halve the time moving the head while doubling the time waiting for spinning data, you will see an overall increase in seek time.

    My conclusion is that greater density and less rpms would hurt access time which is the most important performance factor. However, like the "MHz myth", I'm sure marketing will focus on bandwidth benchmarks for performance instead of real-life application performance.

  43. Not quite - and HERE's why it's better than 2x by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Informative

    So, a top view of the old scheme would look like:

    ||||||||
    ||||||||

    The new scheme, from the top:
    ::::::::
    ::::::::

    In this case 2x density, as the lower one has twice as many dots in the same area as the dashes of the upper.

    I don't think that's quite right.

    Unless I missed a transition from longitudinal to transverse recording, the old scheme produced a track like this (viewed either from the top or side:)

    N---SS---NN--------SS---N
    ..1....0....1....1....0..

    The vertical scheme lays the magnets INTO the medium rather than ALONG the track. Viewed from the side:

    NSNNS

    |||||

    SNSSN

    10110


    Or, viewed from the top:

    NSNNS

    The problem with longitudinal recording is that, as you make the bits shorter, the magnetic fields of adjacent opposite-sense bits become more effective at trying to flip the singleton to go along with them. (Magnetic domains are more self-reenforcing, and thus stable, when they're long and thin, subject to flipping from thermal agitation at progressively lower temperatures as they become more short and fat.)

    Make the bit too short and the neighbors "squeeze it out":

    N--SSNN--S -> N--------S

    1.1.0.1.1. -> 1.1.1.1.1.

    But with vertical recording the adjacent, opposite-sense neighbors tend to STABILIZE the bit, and the smaller it gets, the more stable it gets. (And you're guaranteed a limit on the number of long runs of same-sense by the coding scheme, which has to flip now and then to keep the read electronics in sync.)

    So you can shrink it WAY down - both along the track and across it - to the limit of the head technology to produce the original magnitizing field or the inherent domain size of the magnetic medium.

    You can get FAR more than a factor of two in EACH direction - and multiply the two improvements to get the increase in bits per unit area.

    (They've been talking about this for years. How come it's just hitting the field now? Did they go to transverse magnetization in the meantime? That would have similar advantages of smaller-is-more-stable. But the track would be far wider than with vertical, as would the gap, so you'd still save a bunch in one of the dimensions by standing the magnets on their head and packing them in tightly, like a bundle of sticks, rather than laying them on their sides.)

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