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UK Government Advised to Promote and Adopt DRM

aking137 writes "From ZDNet, the UK Broadband Stakeholders Group (BSG) are recommending '...actively promoting the development and spread of global DRM-related standards' on the grounds that 'The UK's broadband boom is likely to falter unless more progress is made towards combating digital piracy'. Also in the article: 'The massive popularity of peer-to-peer networks also needs to be urgently addressed, the BSG said.'" The report (pdf) is online.

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  1. well alright then! by cakestick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    oh yeah, that's the most pressing issue with broadband.. that people aren't interested in the ways they wish to exploit it. egads!

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    1. Re:well alright then! by ePhil_One · · Score: 4, Funny
      You know, I was talking to my dad last night, and he said:
      "If you don't get addequate controls on this computer to protect the copyright holders Intellectual Property, I'm going to have to ban that cable modem from this house!"

      He then went on about how there wasn't enough taxes, and how the unemployement rate was too low to ensure that every man, woman, and child had access to the american dream...

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  2. Likely to falter? by Havokmon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    'The UK's broadband boom is likely to falter unless more progress is made towards combating digital piracy'

    Didn't anyone tell them porn and piracy are the main reasons for broadband?

    At least they left the good stuff ;)

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    1. Re:Likely to falter? by rmadmin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      'The UK's broadband boom is likely to falter unless more progress is made towards combating digital piracy'

      I think what they are trying to say is:
      'We can't offord for people to actually use the bandwidth we sold them, you must get rid of bandwidth clogging mp3s and movies so we can survive selling 1mbit connectivity, even though we can't support all of our users actually using that 1mbit'

      ok thats kinda drawn out, but I think thats kinda what they are saying.

    2. Re:Likely to falter? by Havokmon · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think what they are trying to say is: 'We can't offord for people to actually use the bandwidth we sold them, you must get rid of bandwidth clogging mp3s and movies so we can survive selling 1mbit connectivity, even though we can't support all of our users actually using that 1mbit'
      ok thats kinda drawn out, but I think thats kinda what they are saying.

      Interesting thought.. I took it more along the lines of:
      "Sure, we know we can't really control every detail of what goes over our lines, but it a lot of press makes us look like Pirates Cove. Let's cover our butts, and put the onus on the government to mandate a system that will make us look good without costing us a dime. The other industries can worry about implementing it."

      IMHO, it's the perfect plan.

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    3. Re:Likely to falter? by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course it is! Come on, a quasi-government group comes out with a report supporting restrictions on people swapping copyrighted material illegally. I'm sure that the whole reason they're doing this is to thwart OSS - in fact, if you think about it, the Broadband Stakeholder Group has the same initials (BG) as the biggest and baddest opponent of OSS out there, Bill Gates himself! Somebody call Mulder and Scully quick!

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    4. Re:Likely to falter? by Doctor7 · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're all assuming that this advisory group is made up of ISPs. It's not, it's made up of content distributors.

    5. Re:Likely to falter? by Zak3056 · · Score: 4, Funny

      ....and downloading Free Software.

      Is this a sneaky way of preventing the wholesale adoption of Free and Open Source software?


      The quantity of tinfoil you must be using in that hat of yours almost makes me want to go out and buy stock in Alcoa...

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  3. HAR! Comedy Gold! by Rorgg · · Score: 5, Insightful
    'The UK's broadband boom is likely to falter unless more progress is made towards combating digital piracy'

    Because the general populace HATES getting entertainment in a medium of their choice for free. What they REALLY want is a lot of constraints on using their entertainment purchases, and really aggressive copyright holders to sue them when they think they might have stepped out of line.

    Oh yeah, need DRM in there quick or this "internet" thing will never catch on.

  4. Ah ha by dorward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So making it harder for people to help themselves to media files over the Internet is supposed to encourage people to switch to broadband?

  5. Same logic circa 1903 report by onyxruby · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Let's use this same logic a century ago and compare it to the fledgling automobile boom.


    "The upcoming boom in automobiles is likely to fail unless we install governors on all cars to enforce speed limits."


    Reading this, does anyone else go, hunh?

  6. This is not suprising by doctor_oktagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a fair point to assume the more access to high-capacity connections then the easier it is to download large-volume copyrighted material.

    From this viewpoint I would argue the report is at least far-sighted. ... but I agree broadband in the UK has more pressing issues at the moment, like when are we all going to get access to it?

  7. BLEEP! BLEEP! BLEEP! by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Insightful
    My bullcrap detector went off when I read this:

    "Digital Rights Management and micro-payments are becoming 'make or break' issues for the whole of the broadband value chain," said Antony Walker, chief executive of the Broadband Stakeholder Group, in a statement.

    The value of broadband isn't determined by which businesses deign to offer pay services requiring a high speed pipe. The value of broadband is based entirely on what the end user is willing to pay for a high-speed pipe to their house. I'm sick of these rat-bastard marketroids who keep trying to redefine the utility of internet connectivity based on their [TV/radio/other mass-media] mindset: "we talk, you listen (and buy)". Broadband is doomed unless they can sell stuff to us? Broadband is doomed unless they can force us to pay-per-[view/listen/read] for the media we "buy"? Broadband is doomed unless they get to keep our credit card number on file to make paying them [easy/automatic/mandatory]? Please...

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  8. Obvious typo. by vegetablespork · · Score: 5, Funny
    'The UK's broadband boom is likely to falter unless more progress is made towards combating digital piracy'.

    should read

    'The UK's broadband boom is likely to falter if more progress is made towards combating digital piracy'.

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  9. True - sort of by Mr_Silver · · Score: 4, Interesting
    'The UK's broadband boom is likely to falter unless more progress is made towards combating digital piracy'

    This is probably true. I work in an organisation that requires content from the people that Slashdot love and then hate on an almost daily basis.

    They have made it abundantly clear that if we don't support DRM, they will not give us any content. There is no room for negotiation.

    As much as I hate DRM and some of the ideas behind it, I realise that when companies make that kind of demand there is nothing we can do about it. Sure, we could say "push off, we don't want you" but then that would be a monumentally dumb move and in the end, if we kept that stance up, we'd have nothing to sell. Plus, before you start - we are a big company. This is not a case of us verses the big guys.

    When every single company you work with is starting to make those demands, you have no chance but to comply.

    So in that sense, I think they're probably right. If content providers see that the UK is making no effort towards adopting DRM, then they simply won't sell there. Again, there is no room for negotiation - like it, or lump it.

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  10. pay for bandwidth usage by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Water, electricity... bandwidth?

    Water and electricity are commonly billed on a usage basis -- you pay $X per gallon of water, you pay $Y per megawatt of electricity. This causes certain actions, such as conservation of water and electricity, which are beneficial as these are limited resources.

    Bandwidth is also a limited resource, and as it is being more and more dependent upon by business and government...

    If people were paying for bandwidth like they do for many other utilies, conservation of bandwidth would be achieved and much of this piracy would be limited. When Danny's father gets the internet bill for $200, Danny's P2P software is getting uninstalled. If Danny leaves all the lights on in the house, or leaves all the faucets running water all day every day, we can easily see that his water and electricity bills would skyrocket and he would pay for his usage, as well as shortening the supply of these two shared resources for others especially in times of limited resources.

    The days of flat-rate internet usage (should be) numbered. If I download a 650 MB ISO image of RedHat, or a 650 MB ISO of a pirated version of MS Office XP, it doesn't matter, similarly it doesn't matter if Danny is taking 30-minute showers or is just running the shower into the drain for 30 minutes.

    Maybe that's what the UK should be looking at instead of all this DRM nonsense. The primary reason people download music is because they can get it "for free" since they are already paying their flat rate for internet access. If it actually costs them (in terms of $Z per MB) perhaps they will think twice about both downloading and potentially more expensive uploading of these files.

    And maybe that will help some of these god-awful websites clean up their massively over-imaged websites.

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  11. Check your source, fellas... by sharky611aol.com · · Score: 5, Informative
    A little sampling of the members of this "Broadband Stakeholder Group":

    AOL Time Warner

    British Music Rights

    Universal Studios

    Panasonic

    And my favorite: "The Work Foundation" (a fully owned subsidiary of The Human Fund) Source: Broadband Stakeholder Group's Website

    And remember, never attribute to studpidity that which can more accurately be attributed to a global conspiracy.

  12. Why don't you like DRM? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 4, Insightful

    companies can take over the world

    You know, I've come to wonder what issues people really honestly have with DRM.

    My primary reason for disliking it is really an engineering one -- it's really, really hard to do DRM, at least on plain ol' audio and video. I'd put it on the same level as antispam legislation -- I'm pretty sure that it isn't going to work, and there's a lot of irritating legislation that indirectly impacts me (like ability to grab information from ISPs by copyright holders...privacy issue that I'm sure will be abused in the long run) and money wasted on lawyers in the meantime.

    Most folks on Slashdot are the technorati. They were, in a much higher percentage than other groups, using MP3s and other forms of audio trading well before anyone else. They caught the "sweet spot", where they could pirate music without everyone doing it, so that those that pay subsidized the development of popular music. Piracy hadn't yet hit the point of moving music towards the public good dillemma (where nobody wants to pay for it because it's easier to pirate). Now, though, it's easy for anyone to download music, and the subsidization of the folks that used to download music from FTP servers isn't there.

    DRM as a concept isn't all that "neat feeling", but neither is copyright or other forms of IP. What is the actual, practical impact on you of DRM? In this case, Apple was unable to obtain non-US rights. To my way of thinking, that's a fairly minor issue for people. The biggest drawback is that a US citizen might become comfortable buying music in the US from Apple, then move, and not be able to use the route he has come to prefer.

    How about cost? To most teens, cost of music is a pretty legitimate issue. I don't really care much any more, now that I'm out in the work force -- the effort of getting an album in the format I want with the quality I want really isn't worth it. I go to work all day, and when I come home I'd rather just spend a little money and get the thing in full quality. So if DRM prevents piracy, it doesn't really impact me much.

    What about inability to trade music around? I guess this could be an issue for some (I know some people that lend CDs out left and right), but I don't. At least for me, this really doesn't affect me.

    What about limited-time ownership of music? This I *do* find unacceptable -- I won't buy music that expires. The point's kind of moot, though, since attempts to commercialize expiring music and video haven't really gone anywhere.

    What about inability to move from place to place with a music collection? Well, I'm biased -- I live in a first world nation so forms of region coding tend to screw me over by letting media companies charge me more. While I've never moved out of the US, I'd like the ability to do so, so I consider region coding sufficiently irritating that I would be happy to break 'em. Incidently, I don't believe I've yet seen a DRM lawsuit over violating region coding -- the media companies aren't willing to test it, and I suspect it might fall over in court.

    1. Re:Why don't you like DRM? by imadork · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Here's my beef with DRM -- it's trying to solve a social problem through technology. Whether or not thousands of people don't want to pay for their music, I do want to pay. What DRM really does is put restrictions on how I, as a paying customer, can use the media I bought. Restrictions that (by law) I can't circumvent, even if it's to use that piece of media in a lawful manner that the content owner just doesn't approve of, but can't prevent through normal copyright law.

      Meanwhile, since no DRM scheme is perfect, the people who don't feel the need to pay to stay in compliance with the law can just go on not paying. It harms the rights of the paying customer, while doing absolutely nothing to actually solve the piracy problem.

      Is the problem really the face that unencumered media is availalble? Or is it the fact that many people don't want to "pay their fair share"? The only way to solve the piracy problem is to make people honest again. DRM only takes away the freedoms of law-abiding citizens, and does nothing to make the dishonest people more honest.

  13. Democracy means power to the people by Bas_Wijnen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The massive popularity of peer-to-peer networks also needs to be urgently addressed

    Yeah, because if people massively use peer-to-peer, then they probably want their representatives to put an end to that. Or perhaps they don't?

  14. Creative Talent Diminished! (From the PDF) by reality-bytes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    File sharing technologies which facilitate the direct infringement of copyright have the potential to destroy important areas of creative, cultural activity: shrinking rosters of creative talent in the music industry bear compelling witness to this fact.

    Notice that last line there: shrinking rosters of creative talent in the music industry bear compelling witness to this fact. - This is the only 'fact' it seems in the document which isn't backed up by various statistics. Its worrying how government documents can make hard statements like this with no presented evidence (I'll be contacting them on Monday to ask for some).

    Notable the evidence involving statistics is geared up to attack the file-sharing networks ie: Kazaa currently running at 2.5m downloads/week.

    I believe that the BSG is a Government advisory group started by Patricia Hewitt, I'm worndering, being as they 'advise', what gives this group so much expertise in the matter?

    The report is Authored by Nick Garnett of the Simkins Partnership (Media&Entertainment Lawyers) - He reveales few if any sources of information in the document so we have to assume that he is the oracle of all things P2P and Internet.

    I dislike the way our govenment tries to 'Blind with statistics' especially when only the statistics of convenience are shown. Clearly the government is attempting to scare the UK broadband stakeholders into co-operation.

    They have scheduled September 2003 for initial talks; I'm yet to discover if any discussions will be public. I would suggest that if there are public talks, members of the general UK IT community should be in attendance before we get our legs cut out from under us by DRM side-effects.

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  15. Re:Why don't you like DRM? It can takeaway freedom by Famatra · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you want to know what the problem with DRM is then you should read this story by one of the leading minds of the GPL/GNU, Richard Stallman:

    http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

    It's an article in which reading is outlawed, made possible by Microsoft's DRM, and corporations' ideas of what copyright should be.

    He also has many other essays too.