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The Open Group's New Open Source Strategy

Bruce Perens writes "The Open Group hasn't always had the best reputation in the Open Source community, mostly because of their handling of Motif, which remained proprietary for much too long. But there's no arguing with the success of our community, and now the Open Group leadership understands that their organization must be fully involved in Open Source... or it's time for them to change their name. To that end, the Open Group contracted me to develop an Open Source strategy for their organization. The draft strategy has been published and they are requesting comment. - Bruce"

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  1. Re:Viral by wo1verin3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >> Open Source = Viral.

    It's because people have pride in their work and want to share it with others that open source exists.

  2. An added strategy by mao+che+minh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The Open Group needs to add one more major strategy: preparing for and combating frivilous legal claims and the insuing litigations.

    This is perhaps the greatest (and one day maybe even the only) threat to Open Source.

    1. Re:An added strategy by defile · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Worries about open source being profitable forget that open source lasted plenty long without profitability.

      Open source and business have gone hand-in-hand from the start. What's different today is that you have a few companies trying to turn it into a shrinkwrap product.

      Whether those endeavors succeed or fail is irrelevant to open source in itself.

    2. Re:An added strategy by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I think SCO is a member, too. Open Group is not vendor-dominated, as far as I can tell. They have lots of large corporate users in their membership, some government agencies (including DOD/DISA), etc.

      And regarding Sun, specifically, Sun has a multiple-personality disorder where Free Software is concerned. They help us with one hand and hurt with the other. This is also true for IBM, Intel, and HP. They have an internal conflict of interest that they won't be able to resolve in this decade. The best we can do is live with it.

      Bruce

  3. Well.. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    I won't believe they're serious until they change their name to Gnu/OpenGroup.

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  4. Re:My attention span is about 5 minutes by tomstdenis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As much as this does sound like a troll put yourself in the place of a PHB...

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  5. Re:Viral by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Open Source = Viral."

    I'd agree except for one minor detail:

    No one forces you to plunder GPL'd (and other similarly licensed) code.

    Millions of programmers and developers get along just fine with the ideals set forth in 'open source' licenses. They also greatly benefit from the fact that some random person or corporation can't then steal their work.

  6. Is Open Source Good for All of Our Members? by billstr78 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a very good question. The trend that Open Source software seems to encorage is a gradual but irreversable shift away from propriatary and profiting methods. As stated in the strategy, this is good for the majority (users) and bad for the minority (vendors). The question is wether or not this method of software development is sustainable if it's popularity grew to a point where it was the majority method of development.

    Some would say that it would be great. Everything would be free, innovation would happen at a rapid rate, but what about compensation for the developers. Software written under a GLP type licience, does not leave room for profits from the actual software. Ad-hoc services can only go so far to support an entire development effort. Who pays the developers for thier hard work?

    The question I leave open for disucssion is this: How sustainable do you think Open Source in it's current form is and do you think that varients such as the Apache Licience are an innevatable change necessary for the properity of the community.

    1. Re:Is Open Source Good for All of Our Members? by pjack76 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Well, my job right now is basically to support my organization's systems. If the accounting system goes wonky, I call the vendor to address it. If our in-house web intranet thingy goes wonky, I fix it. If a WinNT4.0 desktop goes wonky, I explain that we are all powerless to do anything, let's go have a drink.

      My point is that in an all-open-source world, I would still have a job: I'd be answering user's requests and fixing bugs for them. I just wouldn't have to call vendors anymore, and I could actually fix a desktop too.

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    2. Re:Is Open Source Good for All of Our Members? by Quill_28 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You need to re-read the GPL manifesto. You are under the assumption that the GPL is around to help people.

    3. Re:Is Open Source Good for All of Our Members? by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't disagree with you. Chances are that this type of development will shrink as open source software replaces proprietary software. It will shrink, but it won't die away. Companies that make their living off of selling systems (IBM) or hardware (Intel) will continue to fund open-source develeopment.

    4. Re:Is Open Source Good for All of Our Members? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Informative
      According to European and US economic data, a minority of software jobs are connected with retail software. Most software is not written to be sold. Instead, software is a cost-center within a company that does something else for its profit-center. Internal software is often a non-differentiating (doesn't make your company different from the competition) but necessary. This is all perfect for Open Source collaboration.

      So, to the question "will Open Source kill my job?", the answer is generally "no". India will kill your job (well, those of you who are not in India). And I don't know what you should do about that.

      Bruce

  7. OSF/1? by emil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Didn't The Open Group do an entire UNIX implementation (the only implementation of which was Digital OSF/1|UNIX|Tru64)?

    If so, how much of this could they open? Anything useful in it?

  8. Draft strategy is excellent summary of Open Source by Thagg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bruce,

    I think that the opening section of your draft strategy is the best summary of the current state of the world of open-source/closed-source detente. It's exactly right that proprietary solutions are failing, and will fail with increasing rates, as open source proliferates and hardware increasingly becomes a commodity.

    I have two issues with the summary. The first is that it a strategy should be a long-term document, something that might be as valid five or ten years from now as it is today (this compares to a tactical position.) I don't think that the current stated strategy, while appropriate to this time of flux, will be appropriate then.

    Second, I just have a issue with the 'Sorry Vendors' line at the end of the first section -- everything else in the document is straightforward, concise, and emotion-free.

    thad

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  9. start with a name change by b17bmbr · · Score: 5, Funny
    how about,
    • "The now we're open group"
    • "More Open Group"
    • "We haven't been so Open in the past, but we've see the errors of our ways Group"
    • "No longer Not Open group"
    • "Bandwagon Group"
    • "The New and Improved Open Group"
    • "Really Open Group"
    • "This time we mean it Open Group"
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  10. Re:Motif? by TheViffer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Motif Faq

    Subject: 2)* Is the Motif source code publically available?
    [Last modified: Jan 02]

    Answer: On May 15, 2000 the Open Group released the Motif source code for
    Motif 2.1, using a public license, to the Open Source community. On January
    29, 2002, Open Motif 2.2 was released.

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  11. Too complex/too little time? by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To me these issues are quite complex, and a draft like this need a follow up here at Slashdot soonish. Perhaps within a week to get a good brainstorming settle.

    Unfortunately all good remarks will come very late to this message, when people have had time to read it carefully. Then, there are already more than 500 comments, of less value and people don't really care any longer.

    My suggestion, in cases like these, would be to use the Slashdot forum as a forum with delay - as is done before an upcoming interview. A short notice in advance and a more indepth follow later. Let people have a few days to think it over and get a refreshener then. Perhaps overdoing it? Whatever.

  12. Comments? Hah! by batkins · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, wait, he expects the Slashdot readers to read a draft and comment on it? Ha! Read the article - that's a good one, Bruce.