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VoIP Beats Conventional Phone Service In Iraq

andyring writes "According to this article at Wired, without reliable long distance or particularly international telephone service in Iraq, citizens in Baghdad and elsewhere turn to voice chat over programs such as Yahoo Voice Chat or other similar programs. Broadband at Internet cafes in Baghdad runs about $1/hr, whereas an international phone call (if you can even get a connection) is about $1/minute. The service is so popular, it sucks up almost all the available bandwidth from the government-run ISP, State Company for Internet Services (site is Arabic)."

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  1. Correction by borgdows · · Score: 5, Funny

    The service is so popular, it sucks up almost all the available bandwidth from the government-run ISP (LINK)

    It isn't true anymore... from now it is Slashdoters who suck up almost all the available bandwidth...

    1. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Slashdot infidels are NOT using up all our bandwidth! They can NOT Slashdot us! We are, in fact, slashdotting Slashdot as we speak!

      -- Iraq/SCO Information Minister

  2. Currency screws up comparisons... by jkrise · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In India, Broadband is 40 cents an hour, much less than $1 that the Iraqi ISP charges. Indian ISPs still make profits.

    The dollar is inflated so much, it renders any comparison useless. Going by the article, Iraq could make more money selling bandwidth to the US than oil. But that would never happen, would it?

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    1. Re:Currency screws up comparisons... by fruey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Something tells me that we're not looking at market forces properly here. What infrastructure would Iraq use in order to sell their bandwidth to the US? This post just doesn't make sense. Bandwidth cost is a function of infrastructure costs, competition in the marketplace, and the market demand. It's not a commodity like oil.

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  3. Voice? Miranda.. by castrox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    .. hope they've learned of the awesome power of Miranda.

    Didn't try it, but there's an example of a voice plugin.

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  4. I've got some experience with VoIP by WegianWarrior · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not because I'm in a war-torn area with a flaky tele-com strukture, but simply because I live in Norway and has my girlfriend (fiancee really) in the US. While the quality of the connection cannot rival - or even get close - to that of a conventilan landline, it is offset by the fact that I don't have to pay thru the nose to spend an hour or so hearing her voice.



    Voice over IP - it's a blessing in my life!

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    1. Re:I've got some experience with VoIP by VirexEye · · Score: 5, Funny

      You were just waiting for a reason to gloat that you have a fiancee to the slashdot crowd weren't you?

    2. Re:I've got some experience with VoIP by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

      He probably wont for much longer if she reads /. and discovers he considers her a 'girlfriend' and he's too cheap to phone her :-)

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    3. Re:I've got some experience with VoIP by nadaou · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I usually get a better connection with SpeakFreely than I do over a simultaneous land line connection for my frequent calls to the south pacific. Quite a lot better actually. [Both parties on broadband] My understanding is that the phone co's compress as many calls as they possibly can over those undersea cables..

      more plug:
      here

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    4. Re:I've got some experience with VoIP by Jacer · · Score: 4, Funny

      He left out the very best part! They met via hotornot.com

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  5. Whaaaa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Iraq actually still HAS an IP infrastructure? They have no electicity or running water but they can still surf porn sites, huh?

    1. Re:Whaaaa? by sql*kitten · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Iraq actually still HAS an IP infrastructure? They have no electicity or running water but they can still surf porn sites, huh?

      IP infrastructure is considerably easier to setup and maintain. Yeah, I can hear a horde of CCIE geeks squealing that routing is so much more complex than simple utilities like power and water. But installing and running a router is childishly simple compared to installing and running a power station or a desalination plant. You can put up a microwave relay for IP in minutes, but it would take weeks to lay water mains and sewers over the same distance. That's why the internet is available while "simple" utilities aren't: because they aren't simple at all.

  6. Re:Blink warning! by stevenp · · Score: 4, Funny

    >> Is it just my browser's bad interpretation of arabic letters, or do they actually use blink tags liberally at that www.uruklink.net front page?

    I am not too good at arabic, but I suppose the blinking text on the front page says: "We are currently being slashdotted, please try again later!!!"

  7. Same for lots of places in the Third world by Raindeer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to live in a dorm with MBA's from all over the world and it was pretty obvious that the 100mbit switched network was loved most by those from countries with bad phone systems. Many of them bought a webcam, a microphone and were chatting away with friends and family back home or anywhere else in the world. It was cheaper and it gave alot less hassle with delays and operators and the like. Mind you, one does need a computer and dial up tot the internet, so this is only for the semi-richer people and those that can go tot internet-cafe's

    On a related note, once at a RIPE-meeting a gentleman from Africa got a clunky looking phone (bit eighties style) from his briefcase, picked up the UTP that lay there for use with laptops and hooked the phone up to it. Within seconds he was chatting away with someone in Africa... YOu should have seen the stunned face on some of the geeks there. :-)

  8. This isn't new by vishakh · · Score: 4, Informative

    Using something like Yahoo Messenger to talk to people instead of using long distance isn't a new phenomenon. I have personally been using Yahoo Messenger and (before) Net2Phone on MSN Messenger to talk to people in England and India. International call rates aren't prohibitively expensive for me but it still makes sense to save a lot of money by using a free service. Voice quality isn't bad at all- most of the times it seems quite natural in a telephone sort of way. It works almost perfeclty if one or both parties have a broadband connection. Also, I have been talking to and have stayed connected to people who I otherwise wouldn't have been in touch with.

    A lot of the people I talk to wouldn't be able to afford international telephony or find it very expensive at best. These people have been using tools such as Yahoo Messenger to stay connected for quite some while now.

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  9. Benefits are great by el_flynn · · Score: 4, Funny

    working halfway across the globe, I regularly use yahoo messenger to hold meetings with the US office. we've once even hooked up a machine with a webcam and had an entire department meeting that way.

    of course someone had to sit in front of the pc so they could voice out what i said, and sound quality was a bit lacking, but it was a fantastic way to have teleconferencing on the cheap.

    plus enabling the messenger's sounds allowed me to generate an annoying "ding" whenever someone said something silly heheh

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  10. Might As Well Do It Right by Bloodmoon1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While I have no idea how much of Iraq's infrastructure we took out in the recent war (and, apparently, neither does the CIA, read from below link), I bet it was probably a pretty healthy amount. And seeing as they didn't have that much to begin with, this might actually be a very great thing for Iraq and her people. Since the country's comm. systems were already pretty lacking, and since a presumably fair amount of said systems we're damaged/destroyed, this provides Iraq with a golden opportunity to have a rebuilt, ultra modern communications system. If we do it right, Iraq could very well have one of the most technologically advanced comm. systems ever designed. And the people of Iraq, at least based on this story, seem more than willing to embrace the technology and as such would probably be willing to try out the newest communications technology. This would be the perfect time and place to test new/unproven technologies and if they work well, we could adopt them here in the U.S. and elsewhere in the world. Make the best of a bad situation.

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    1. Re:Might As Well Do It Right by Bushcat · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This would be the perfect time and place to test new/unproven technologies...

      In markets like Iraq, India and (especially) China, the "new" technologies are easier to roll out because there isn't a strong legacy technology to displace. Consider cellphones: in Iraq, cellphone networks seem to be automagically re-emerging because network damage is effectively point failure, since there is relatively little wired backbone to maintain. Whereas restoring a badly-damaged POTS network can take serious time and expense. In China, where there is little legacy technology, cellular networks are cost effective because they are not replacing a POTS network: if cellular isn't built, something else has to be. In Iraq, there is probably a substantial military data network infrastructure that can easily be converted to a public backbone. In other words, VOIP & cellular may be the only sensible options in emerging/recovering economies, and POTS is the expensive option.

  11. Corporate Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work for a large telecommunications company and we have all our internal communications set up using VOIP.
    I can dial my colleagues in all our offices throughout the globe from my desk phone to their desk phone using a series of short-codes. Of course this is only for fixed line at the moment but it must save us a great deal each day on video and regular conference lines.

    The quality and response is noticeable if you know what you're looking for, but to the regular listener it just sounds like you have a clear line.

  12. obligatory SpeakFreely plug by nadaou · · Score: 5, Informative

    [yes, this is a repost from another story. but it's a really really good program]

    If you are looking for a nice Open Source VoIP client that works on Windows, Linux, and OS/X, try Speakfreely. For linux/osx track down the Tcl/Tk GUI.

    encryption, multiple codecs, NAT, the works.

    http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/

    The original author and once-again maintainer is John Walker, founder of Autodesk, Inc. and co-author of AutoCAD. (!!!)

    note: the debian package is criminally out of date and www.speakfreely.org is depreciated, out of date, and morphed into a commercial site.

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  13. A warning Page ! by isam_b · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Infact this site is made by the Americans or those who take orders from the Americans.. as the Arabic Linkx are for:
    • Radio Sawa: which is a Voice of America in Arabic
    • BBC Arabic Service
    • and Monti Carlo Radio

    Maybe they want to warn us from listening to those channels
  14. Re:well no kidding by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Funny you say that, the data lines that drive the phone network
    can be used to drive the data network that is the internet .
    In certain areas ATM/Sonet OC fiber carries both voice and data
    down the same fiber .

    Packetized voice has been a reality since they completed the step called dial off load .

    I worked in one of the failed VoIP labs for Cisco in Herndon
    Virginia, and helped make a 48 million error free
    calls test go down at Sonus on an old test box called an
    Inet Spectra before going to work at Cisco.

    Companies like Sonus beat cisco in the dial offload game in coutries as critical as japan .

    Once Cisco realized they had laid a golden egg they start hack and slashing their VoIP projects like a butcher gone mad .

    The facility in Herndon lost half its staff even though it wrote the only Universal Realtime SS7
    International Gateway protocol converter in the world with software . Trying to make it a Media Gateway Controller on top of all that made it very unwieldy .

    Sonus was smart and held the call state on DSP's that could be dynaically reprogrammed, while cisco tried to hold it in RAM on Sun boxes .

    It failed miserably for cisco, but Sonus was making 8,000 calls per second on a 1 rack box taking up a little less than half a standard 7 foot rack .

    It was done at the local office for the long haul
    portion , and they are just now sorting out how
    the last mile is going to be done .

    Different companies want to do it different ways .

    That is why they call VoIP "convergence", it blending
    the lines where separation was sought before .

    As for it being newer, hell it was built on top of
    the phone network, the protocols are really the only
    so called "new" portion , and it was derived about
    22 years ago with early Arpanet .

    Moving from switched telephony to packet telephony on a
    global scale is going to cause a HUGE shake up in long distance
    and telecommunications .

    Think cell phone running on something like Wi-MAX , and ppl
    being able to put up their own repeater .

    I am hoping it is based on UWB if possible .

    The holy cash cow of long distance has just been sent down
    the river, and ridiculous rates are RIP .

    We are starting to see the turning point, we are seeing it
    cheaper to implement IPv6 in third world countries than
    the old switched networks .

    Scale that to 6 billion+ ppl world wide, and yeah its news .

    p.s.: sorry for the DOT BOMB story, just felt the urge to
    share some pain ;)

    Peace,
    Ex-MislTech

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  15. Re. "Fiancee" by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm an authority on this subject, because a friend of mine once dated a girl. Actually, we never met her, but he showed us emails and pictures, so it must have been real.

    My dictionary defines "fiancee" as "a mother-in-law waiting to happen", which sounds pretty drastic.

    I think I'll stick with my geektoys for now.

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