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Windows Firmware Update 1.3 Added
TechnoPope writes "Apple has finally released the 1.3 Updater for older Windows iPods. It claims UI improvements and longer battery life, but the much desired and asked for on the fly playlist feature is absent. It should also be noted that there is a web petition asking for new firmware for the older generations of iPods." It's a shame that older iPod owners have to live with the functionality that was advertised to them when they bought it.
Fat lot of use an online petition will do.
Anyways, if the new features are so damn important to you buy a new iPod, quit whining.
Being an owner of 20GB touchpad iPod, I have been waiting for this update to come out for months, ever since it was announced as soon back in May. I want the battery life and sound improvements it promises.
I don't expect Apple to give me more features for free. After all that is why they are selling the new product. I would have loved it, sure, but I don't fault them for it.
To expect otherwise is unrealistic.
>Apple has finally released the 1.3 Updater for older ...and this has been posted where most of the people who have older Windows iPods won't look for it...
>Windows iPods.
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I don't recall Apple ever advertising on-the-fly playlists as a feature for the old iPod. They didn't even talk about it until the new iPod came out.
The on-the-fly playlists and new games are features that are part of the new iPod only, and I'm pretty sure they'll never be added to the old iPod. That's just how it is.
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Unless I'm misunderstanding something, shouldn't that be "without"?? Seems like a pretty ridiculous statement otherwise.
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I really don't simpathize with the older iPod owners. It was the functionality offered at the time of purchase. If you are really itching for a the functionality, you have a couple options...
1) When the new 30GB came out, I sold my 20GB touch-wheel for almost $225. That made the 30GB 'upgrade' almost nothing. A lot of people with pay $200 for a 20GB MP3 player that is still better than all the competition, and acts like a tiny Firewire disk.
2) Complain, sign petitions, and try to get Apple to change policy.
3) Be content in the fact that you still have a 20GB MP3 player that is really cool, and sounds good. It is still better than what the other companies are offering currently, and you'll get many more years of life from it.
4) Shell out the cash and give the used 20GB iPod as a gift to a friend/relative.
It's only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything...
He basically said "no way."
the reasons he gave for this were:
1. Push new iPods - because Apple likes money.
2. Reduce testing expenses - because every update needs to be tested on every version of the iPod, which would have added 5 models (including a silent rev of the original 5-gig) to the three they have to test now.
3. Money from 2 better spent adding even more features to latest iPods.
Oh, and the next iPod game is going to be Doom 3, with network games over BlueTooth.
please. This guy knows what he's talking about.
It's a sarcastic statement. The older iPod never had that feature and never advertised it, and now that it's in the newer ones, the owners of the older iPods are petitioning Apple to backport it.
Apple doesn't have any real reason to do so. It'd be nice PR to add the feature, but not adding it is incentive to buy a new iPod. Although I don't own an iPod, I personally think they should add it for PR reasons (it makes the company look friendly, improves people's view of the quality of its products, etc). Who knows whether they will.
That said, pudge is still being an asshole. When users request a new feature in a project, the developers should either reject it for a reason (even if that reason is "No, we want you to upgrade"), or put it on the to-do list. What they shouldn't do, and what bystanders especially shouldn't do, is sarcastically slag those users because they got what they paid for.
I hereby place the above post in the public domain.
reads even less than the regular /. group.
He was being sarcastic in his comment on this story. He's saying people shouldn't whine that they don't get features that they never paid for.
If there weren't 100 posts modded up saying "that statement is silly" or "that doesn't make sense" this should be -1 redundant. However, I felt compelled to make this post.
The 30Gb iPod is $500. So youy're saying roughly $275 -- more than you got for your 20GB model -- is "almost nothing." Not to mention that the older 20GB model probably cost you around $500.
And by the way I have the older 20GB model and I plan to keep it. We don't need no steenkin' on the fly playlists! Real men listen to all the songs on their iPod in alphabetical order without taking breaks!!
Seriously, people seem to think upgrades should be free or available to anything and everything. It's almost reminding me of all the hubub about the other updates too. You get 300 new features and you're shocked you may have to pay for them?
Back to the main point though...You buy a Maxima. It has it's list of features. Then the new one comes out with new features (better speakers? better seat adjustments? better cup holders?). We don't expect Nissan to say "bring your car in and we'll 'upgrade' to all the new features for free". You can buy the new Maxima. You can buy a better stereo and install it. You can be happy with the features that came with your car. Your 2001 Maxima is still better than the 2002 Sonatas that are out there.
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I know why Apple is doing what they're doing... but this is like saying Panther will only run on G5s and up because they're too lazy to make it work with G4s and G3s.
And before any of you tell me that Apple isn't obligated to make the older iPods work in any way, shape, or form different from the way they were originally advertised... why'd they add AAC support? To make $$, duh! And why aren't they adding the other new features? To entice people to upgrade! Stating the obvious, I know... but it really pisses me off that they'd shit on the pioneering owners just for the sake of planned obsolescence.
OH! But my iPod still plays MP3s just fine, you say. Quit playing devils advocate. MY point is that it is SHITTY that Apple has decided to intentionally ignore older iPods... not that I hate capitalism, or Apple trying to make money, or whatever else some of you people like to pull out of your ass for the sake of argument.
Remember - the original iPod didn't have a clock, calendar, or a handful of other random crap, but Apple added it. Asking that they do so for other features shouldn't spark a flamewar.
Alas, this whole thing is trivial as there are much more important things to worry about in our world, but Apple really dropped the ball on this, IMHO. At the very least, Apple should open up the (old?) iPod API so people can do whatever the fuck they want with their own hardware.
This issue really only seems to bother people with older ipods. Gee, I wonder why. Then, those that don't have older iPods are angry because they're tired of listening about the issue altogether...
What's keeping someone from hacking the new software into old iPods? Afterall, the Non-US volume limit was just hacked...
It speaks to how Apple treats their customers like shit, though. They're happy to push a product at an inflated cost, then refuse to support it three months later, forcing an upgrade. I can't understand why they're selling iBooks for more than $1000 when in a few months Jaguar will make them useless for Apples internet apps (iTMS will only work with Jaguar, which only reasonably runs on a G4, so why don't you upgrade suckers?).
The middle mind speaks!
"It's a shame that XBox owners have to live with the functionality that was advertised to them when they bought it."
That's all us Classic iPod'rs want. We at one time not so long ago had been wooed, courted, impressed, flirted, tickled, aroused by funny talking nerds on Quicktime ads, then #$&-BaBAAM! bitch-slapped and Koby'd in the rear.
The cries you hear are only emotional outburst, not a demand for personal programmers on each of our iPods perpetually, really because, what part of the interface needs improvements? Not 1.3.
1.3(not to be confused with 1.3) is fine. It is void of that commercial interface, thank goodness.
The Classic iPod ruled the world. It was the darling of the rodeo. It had all that class. It was neat-0.
Early 2003, the iPod was given plastic surgery, admittingly better than Christina Applegates, and shoved along into the big world, fending for itself, lacking the original charm. Now it's specifically designed to withdraw finances from the owners like a high maintenance fake boobied hustler.
I'll take a Classic iPod anyday! Update all you want you wannabe New iPod'rs, you still lack the one single thing that matters, a sense of free love and happiness, that which sadly was used by it's pimps to beget this hideous PayTunes4 monster. Toil New iPod with your excessive wires, cables, games, address books, calendars, proprietary formats, Windows software and docking station assemblies, not to mention the pretentiousness that is overbearing, while riding on the laurels of the Classic.
I'll keep my old Classic, you can continue updating your 'New' Apple mp3 Player with the latest "New and Improved" methodical software and watch your money slip away even faster than ever before; the money all goes to the largest demographic of longhaired dope fiends, queers & draft dodging musicians and entertainment executives.
Long live the iPod Classic - King of ALL MP3 players, yes, it still reigns over Apples new model mp3 player.
It all depends if the iPod is seen as a consumer elecronic device - a TV, home stereo, alarm clock - or a computer.
This makes a big difference because a computer implies the ability to manage the software it runs, including the OS. If Apple decided panther would not be supported on my PowerBook G4 you better believe I would be livid - but that I don't have enough video ram to use Quartz Extream is a "sucks for me" situation. It doesn't cause an uproar becuase people are used to upgrading computer software until there are hardware limitations.
But back to the iPod, it evokes an interesting issue. If the iPod was marketed as a device capable of firmware upgrades (that were expected to be released by the manufacturer, just as software is released) then it should live up to that promiss and support the upgrades. Of course they need not be free unless stipulated they would be.
To conclude: If the iPod is a consumer electronic device, then quit the complaining and realize you enjoyed your iPod more an a year longer than those who just bought one. If it is a computer than it should be able to have software upgraded, fee determined by manufacturer, as long as the hardware is capable. That is the modem we IT people are used to. Don't screw it up.
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
When I got my 5GB iPod, it didn't have any contacts, a clock, calendars, iSync support, EQ support, sound check support, album shuffle, or a browse menu. I got all that (and probably more) and an update that improves my battery life for free.
What's the bitchin' about again?
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Could this mean the iTunes Music Store for Windows is coming sooner rather then later?
1.3 - Adds AAC support (a requirement to playback iTMS songs)
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg mp3 from one folder on the hard drive to an ipod. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
When I bought my first brand-new car nine years ago, they did not offer a moon roof option at the time that I bought it. Six months later, the 1994-and-a-half model did-- but nobody from GM ever came out to install my sunroof, those bastards!
Last night, I was hungry, so I went to a restaurant. The meal made my hunger go away. This morning, I was hungry again, so I went back to the restaurant and asked them to once again make my hunger go away, for free. Can you believe they had the nerve to refuse?
I look at that petition, and to me it says, "We, the undersigned, are whiny assholes."
Here's an idea: SELL your old iPod on eBay, and put the proceeds towards a new iPod, you fucking retards. You were perfectly happy to plunk down money for your iPod however long ago, knowing and accepting its feature set-- Apple doesn't owe you shit.
As a small note to the first phrase, Panther does run on G3s. If you want more material about that, go to http://macintosh.fryke.com
I bought a 20 G ipod in January, and never bothered to sell it and buy the 30 G model.
It does what it is supposed to do, and I don't see it lacking any features I'd want it to have in it (or which woudl be in the new models).
I am still completely happy with it.
Yeah, Apple is really beleaguered. They're dying I tell you!
who don't care if their 2G iPods can use On the Fly Playlists, or whatever. I don't even use playlists.
I am a believer of momentum and curves.
1. Apple never promised "on the go" playlists for 2.0 iPods. To be honest they're not that great; there is only one "on the go" playlist, and it gets reset when you dock the pod.
2. Apple couldn't provide the funcionality even if they wanted to. The OS development for the 2.0 iPods was contracted out. It'd make no business sense for Apple to contract out an update/rewrite. People forget that in a capitalist economy, the firm in the marketplace must make a profit to survive.
The 2.0 iPod is a completely different piece of hardware, running a re-written OS that was developed in-house, and would not be compatible with the 2.0 hardware. Just because it looks similar and has the same generic name doesn't mean that the guts are the same.
Oh soooo clver trying to bait responses...
I guess you have tooooo much time on your hands, coming into discussions with you copy and paste snipit which you add to each story...
I run Jaguar on my B&W G3 (a petite 400Mhz) and it runs great! It's particularly fast with Mail, Safari, iTunes and iTMS. The only thing I've upgraded is graphics card and only to a cheap Radeon 7500. Word on the street is that Panther is even quicker.
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Bah...you call that impressive?? We run the developers preview of panther on an Apple IIe, with a raid of floppy drives, as our primary webserver with a 2800 baud modem and it works just great.
Your belief that Panther doesn't run on G3 systems is incorrect.
Panther runs just fine on my Late 2001 iBook, and here's the screenshot to prove it.
Perhaps you need a new source of Macintosh information...
At least I'm now prepared for the moment someone does claim that Panther will not operate on G3s, and I've added yet another screenshot to the pile...
Dear Apple:
I bought an Apple computer because of its native support for teledildonics. I bought a USB FUFME and MacOS immediately recognized it and installed drivers instantly! As a gay Catholic priest who often can't be at the altar all the time, you can understand how the ability to have sex with children whilst on the airplane with my Powerbook and wireless internet service is a lifesaver.
I just have a single question, will Apple be releasing a firewire version of the FUFME anytime soon?
With much gayness,
Father Michael "Arminass" Sims
Of course they didn't promise it, but it sure would be nice if they made it happen. I'm not planning to upgrade in any case, but I'd gladly pay $10 for this functionality. Any hackers want to try it?
sulli
RTFJ.
The "I'm with Stupid" crowd once again came out to play :-(
i believe there are several hundred posts to this tune. It has been out for several months now and the firmware is rather solid on this little machine and being "dependent" on apple is not too bad. they try to keep up with problems as much as possible and do well at it. Yah, it is the stuff that was publicized, get over it. that is what you payed for and nothing more.
Apple is currently offering a $200 discount on iPods for educational users who buy a Powerbook or iBook ($300 if you get a qualifying printer). Through my edu vendor that meant a $1099 900MHZ/CD-RW iBook for my wife and a $69 iPod for me. Your pricing may vary.
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Dear Father Sims
Thank you for your kind letter! Being a former Catholic priest myself, I know exactly what you are talking about! It has been our dream at Apple Computers ever since we began in the 80's to shape the homosexual experience with the ultimate computer.
I can answer your letter by saying that YES we will indeed be making a firewire version of the FUFME. With the additional bandwidth offered by the firewire bus, we will be able to more accurately record and deliver more minute and subtle movements that the USB FUFME simply couldnt support due to lack of bandwidth. You will be able to recognize our firewire FUFME in stores by the fancy holographic logo of a cock entering an Apple.
We are glad to help loyal customers such as yourself. If you ever have any more questions, feel free to drop a line (or connect to my teledildonic FUFME server on fufme://cockman.apple.com).
Hugh G. Cockman
President
Homosexual Liaison Services
Apple Computer, Inc.
LOL! As snitty irony goes, the Swedish Judges give that a 9.2
Look, mod me down for dissenting, but it has to be said. The question is not, "Did you get what you paid for, and if you did, why are you spoiling my perfect Stepford Wife day with your complaints?" If it were, the answer, as the petitioners see it, would be a qualified "Well, sorta, but..."
The real question is why one set of owners is being treated with such indifference in a field where features are commonly added after purchase.
As a contented Apple owner, I'm disheartened by the level of shilling here when it brooks no complaint from other owners. Some view these threads as little more than an occasion to be self-appointed kapos for Apple, a mistaken strategy that brings us no closer to a solution while only increasing public dissatisfaction that hurts Apple in the long run.