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japala writes "Some people tend to have cold hands while they type the keyboard or use the mouse. Equally as many suffer from sweaty palms and that feels really annoying while using the mouse. MetkuMods have made couple of tutorials in true DIY spirit that will try to make your life easier. These devices may have started as a joke but trust me, they do work. See the MouseFan and BreezePad."

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  1. Now if only... by tool462 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...they could come up with something to deal with those nasty keyboard "spills" for when I'm conducting my online "research".

    1. Re:Now if only... by EverDense · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...they could come up with something to deal with those nasty keyboard "spills" for when I'm conducting my online "research".

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    2. Re:Now if only... by chunkwhite86 · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...they could come up with something to deal with those nasty keyboard "spills" for when I'm conducting my online "research".

      Let me guess... you work part-time compiling site filter lists for Net-Nanny?

      Yeah, that's what I tell them too.

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    3. Re:Now if only... by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Now if only...

      ...he'd hooked the BreezePad up to the exhaust of a vacuum cleaner rather than a wimpy little computer fan.

      HoverMouse, anyone?

      I should try mousing on the air hockey table to see how slippery it is....

      Seriously, too. To cut acrylic (or most other plastics) neatly, use masking tape along the line you're cutting (helps avoid chips). Don't use metalworking tools if you can avoid it, the teeth are too fine and get clogged. Saw *slowly* because the friction will melt the plastic. Pouring water (ie. from a garden hose) as you cut is good to wash away chips and keep the piece cool. Leave the paper backing on the plastic until you're done *all* the cutting and drilling. Deburr the holes by using a countersinking bit BY HAND for a couple of turns. And finally, always remember: measure once, cut twice! [grin]

      If you need this to work with an optical mouse, make sure any LEDs in the pad are a very different color. Mine, for example, has a red LED and I'd imagine that its sensor is designed for that, so blue LEDs would probably upset it very little... but I haven't tested it.

      Once you've got the cutting and drilling done, you could take off the paper backing and take the piece to a sandblasting shop and have them blast it gently with walnut shells or other soft blasting media. That should frost it nicely so that it works with an optical mouse, and the whole thing would glow, too.

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    4. Re:Now if only... by kasperd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      nasty keyboard "spills"

      Some keyboards can actually be disassembled and cleaned. Reassembling the keyboard is the tricky part. As soon as you have opened the keyboard, you will know if it is one of the easy or the difficult to reassemble. If there are more than 100 pieces scattered over the floor, it is going to be difficult. Trust me I have tried it. OTOH I actually have one keyboard where there were only five pieces inside. Easy to clean and reassemble. I have yet to find a shop, that will let me see how a keyboard looks inside before I buy it.

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  2. Errr... by SugoiMonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder why their hands are sweating?

    1. Re:Errr... by xenocytekron · · Score: 3, Informative

      Maybe they have hyperhidrosis, described as "excessive sweating of the hands, feet, and face, excessive facial blushing, or any combination of these conditions".

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  3. What about sweaty fingers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does anyone actually use their entire palm with their mouse? I've always used just my fingers so that only my wrist has to move around rather than my entire arm (insert masterbation jokes here).

    1. Re:What about sweaty fingers? by Izago909 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Try turning up your mouse sensitivity or acceleration. I can crank mine up and send the cursor across the screen with a sneeze.

    2. Re:What about sweaty fingers? by josh+crawley · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know, maybe all these people have small hands, but I just lightly grasp the mouse with my fingertips. Thumb holds the left side of the mouse, ring and pinky on the right, and index and middle over the buttons and wheel.

      I move mostly with my forearm (to avoid carpal tunnel problems) but that works fine. I find that if I do rest my palm on the mouse for a few moments, it does get sweaty, but that's why I don't do it.

    3. Re:What about sweaty fingers? by NASAKnight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >> I've always used just my fingers so that only my wrist has to move around rather than my entire arm

      Well, that's what most people do I think, including me. Though, in all actuality, you WANT to move your entire arm. Only moving your wrist is the way to get carpal tunnel, or at the very least get your wrist to bother you a little.

      Stephen

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  4. Palmar hyperhidrosis by sstory · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People who have this condition so bad that their mouse shorts out have Palmar Hyperhidrosis, and it can be treated by applying antiperspirant to your palms several times per week. I read an article about it. It's totally weird. dripping hands all the time.

    1. Re:Palmar hyperhidrosis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I knew someone with it. He couldn't use pencils because the sweat would wipe around the graphite and you couldn't read what he wrote. Even then, every paper he used seemed like it was water damaged.

      It really sucks.

    2. Re:Palmar hyperhidrosis by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 4, Funny
      I saw some medical thing on a cable channel about how you could cut a specific nerve to simply make the sweating stop. Interesting.

      Well, maybe a new area of interest for the masochists among us: self-modding! Open arm, cut nerve, insert obscene amount of blue leds, etcetera!

    3. Re:Palmar hyperhidrosis by 1029 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'd have to suggest against getting that surgery for anyone with HH (hyperhidrosis). I myself have HH, and looked into the surgery extensively. The surgery causes compensatory sweating on your upper body and it seems that many (though not all) report that the compensatory sweating is just as bad - if not worse - than the palmar HH.

      That said, there is something you can do that is cheaper, less risky, and more effective. Check out drionic, which is a device you can use that will stop sweating for up to 6 weeks at a time. I've used it for over 3 months now and I'm happy as can be. Stopped the excessive sweat on my hands and my feet.

      Also of interest for those of us who like to hack at things, is this site which shows you how to mod your drionic units to use a 9V wall adapter instead of their expensive proprietary batteries.

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    4. Re:Palmar hyperhidrosis by wo1verin3 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I just started looking for a site on the net with 'stop sweating' but realized the hot IT chick I work with will be looking through logs of the sites I visited, you only get once chance to make a first impression!

    5. Re:Palmar hyperhidrosis by The+Tyro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did you look into some of the aluminum chloride drying preparations that you can apply to your hands? It might be easier than soaking your hands in an ion bath.

      You could also consider Botox if the ion bath stops working. You'd have to have a regional nerve block (injections into the palms tend to be VERY painful, particularly when you're getting the dozens per palm that HH typically requires), but you get months of effectiveness out of it. The botox also seems to work better/longer with subsequent usage. Of course, you can't tell that to the anti-botox crowd, who think that it's only used for cosmetics. It's even used by some cardiologists: they inject it into the intraventricular septum in people with Idiopathic Hypertrophic Subaortic Stenosis (IHSS)

      I realize your medical conditions are none of my business, and you're probably already aware of the botox, particularly if you were looking into the surgery... just wanted to make a suggestion in case you were unaware, and your ion bath stops working for you.

      Good luck

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  5. How about babypowder ? by bobo333 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    just a thought. Good enough for MJ before a game.

  6. Sweaty Palms -- Dirty Mouse Pads by srw · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to work in a computer store. One of our staff would spend most of the day sitting at a computer in the showroom playing Everquest or whatever other game was new at the time. Another employee would daily replace the grimey mouse pad. Seriously, after 8 hours of gaming the mouse pad would have a very noticable, ugly stain on it.

  7. Sweaty Palms by Eberlin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Could it be that their palms are sweating because of the impending slashdotting that they KNEW they were going to get?

  8. if these things really work by Nf1nk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It hese work and it looks like they could. I think I would rather have this tech in my steering wheel on my car. I know that after about four hous driving my hands start to hurt from the moisture build up

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  9. Re:Finals week.... by Omphalion · · Score: 3, Funny

    Funny it's "hell week" and yet you still find the time to wait around anxiously for the first post.

  10. Re:d'oh... by Plastic+Rabbit · · Score: 2, Informative

    You saw it right here on Slashdot! Unfortunately its by the same folk who did this sweaty palm mod (Metku) and they're Slashdotted :(

  11. Ahead of you in Japan... by I+Want+GNU! · · Score: 4, Funny
    Yup, they've already thought of this in Japan, where the toilets will clean your derrière. No, I'm not joking...to quote from a random article about this:
    An American diplomat was at a dinner party in a Japanese home when he excused himself to go to the bathroom. He did his business, stood up and realized he didn't have a clue about how to flush the toilet.

    The diplomat speaks Japanese, but he was still baffled by the colorful array of buttons on the complicated keypad on the toilet. So he just started pushing.

    He hit the noisemaker button that makes a flushing sound to mask any noise you might be making in the john. He hit the button that starts the blow-dryer for your bottom. Then he hit the bidet button and watched helplessly as a little plastic arm, sort of a squirt gun shaped like a toothbrush, appeared from the back of the bowl and began shooting a stream of warm water across the room and onto the mirror.


    and so on..
  12. the Peltier effect is cool! by sentientbeing · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I thought those ideas were a bit lame. I know the mouse fan was a joke, but I wouldnt want the fan generating all sorts of harmonics on the 5v power line anyway. Screw all the signals up I reckon. Especially on the optical variety which uses signal processing.
    A Peltier cooling device on the 'other hand' (no pun intended) would be ideal and it can be molded to almost any shape mouse, and it uses constant current. Utilised in this project

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    1. Re:the Peltier effect is cool! by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not really. The mouse has 4 wires - 2 for data and 2 for power, and it has pretty high tollerance for power (at least my logitech has :). Even the data lines are quite "strong". I tapped into the data lines, connecting them to amplifier, powered it from power lines and made a LED "activity indicator" that blinks whenever something on the PS2 line happens (i.e. the mouse is moved :)

      Note it's digital transmission, not analog, so you need quite strong line noise to break it.

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  13. Okay, but what about heating? by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can I get enough power to the mouse over existing wiring to add some heater device or do I have to replace the cable? What would you suggest as the heater - will a few plain higher-than-minimum power resistors suffice? Will I be able to run it from built in computer ATX power supply or do I need some extra external power?

    (that metal "inertia wheel" is very cool for fast scrolling but it gets damn cold in winter.)

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  14. For those with sweaty palms... by BJH · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...you can already buy a suitable mouse (well, at least if you're in Japan).
    From this week's Akiba PC Hotline: the fan mouse.

    1. Re:For those with sweaty palms... by Meowing · · Score: 2, Informative

      FWIW, USAians can get the clicknjoy from New Egg. Always remember, style is an alive ability mouse.

  15. Keyboard condoms suck. by oneiros27 · · Score: 3, Informative
    They change the 'bounce' factor of the keys, but they do exist:

    Of course, you'd have to find one that actually fit your keyboard.

    I've been debating on getting a waterproof keyboard, for the computer in my kitchen. [so that I can have easy access to recipies online and/or watch movies while cooking]
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  16. I'd avoid that by The+Tyro · · Score: 2

    Cutting one of your nerves, ANY nerve, should be an absolute last resort.

    Most people don't know that nerves are one of the least-regenerative cells in the body... they can sometimes regrow axons, but it can take months, and only works if the severed nerve is micro-surgically realigned (if you don't exactly realign the epineurium, which is the outer sheath of that nerve bundle, your odds of regrowth go down dramatically), and cutting nerves can have unexpected consequences.

    Operations to sever nerves are sometimes done for RSD, or reflex sympathetic dystrophy (it has new nomenclature now, can't remember it at the moment). In that case, the sympathetic trunks are destroyed in an attempt to alleviate symptoms, with variable success.

    I've never heard of anyone getting a nerve ablation for simple dyshidrosis, unless it were part of a larger syndrome... personally, I'd have to be miserable almost to the point of insanity before I'd agree to that procedure.

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  17. Forget about blankers! by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With vibrations coming from the fan, the mouse will be always sending SOMETHING. Not enough to make the cursor visibly move, but enough that a screen blanker will never go off.

    Now, is it good or bad news? :)

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  18. Wrist heating pad by Scumbag+Tracker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This may be filed under the "funny, laugh" department, but I would LOVE some kind of heating device for my hands. I work in an office which is always freezing cold in the summer (they crank the air conditioner, yet they complain about wanting to save money :-/ ), and my hands get so cold I find it very difficult to type.

    I would love to buy an electrical wrist rest heater (like those wrist cushions for RSI), but nobody seems to make one. :( In the meantime, I go through one of those chemical heating pads every single day. I should try to get reimbursed for them from HR. ;-)

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  19. reminds me of this story by dpletche · · Score: 2, Funny
  20. Not necessarily by cgenman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mechanical mice work by monitoring a small beam of UV light as it passes through a pair of grooved disks (like those on an image master). In a very basic form that I'm sure will be picked apart, it counts the number of blinks of light that it sees. Therefore, if you move it a small enough amount you won't break the threshold for blinking the light on / off, and the movement won't register at all.

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if the vibrations were small enough that they wouldn't register on a consumer level mechanical mouse.

    Now optical, there's another story...

  21. BreezePad? by bobobobo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds like some kind of feminine hygiene product if you ask me.

  22. Depends, heated or cooled. by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to thermodynamics, an average particle in a cooled mouse moves slower, so the mouse (being built from those particles) as whole will move slower too. Heating has opposite effect.

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  23. Wrist band by NitroPye · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ive started wearing a wrist band for long strenchs at the computer. Its the best thing to happen to LAN gaming for me. It helps with wrist support plus it wipes away sweat from my brow or my palms. So if you want a functional wrist and sweat saver device that also acts a a great "punk rocker" fasion statement get yourself a wristband.

  24. For more information... by cgenman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Google Cache of the original page, text only.

    A similar page at Homelinux, describing the modification made at metku.net.

    Yoshi DeHerrera's version from screensavers. Once again, the same idea, but from March 2002.

    A real modder's version complete with unnecessary blue LEDs.

  25. Re:Solution to sweaty hands. by josh+crawley · · Score: 2, Funny

    So are we going to see an article/ad about people selling your Mouse Doilies on slashdot next week? Wait a minute, that doesn't have enough marketing cache... how about the Logitech Optical Mouse Nappy Pro EXTREME - For Gamers!!!

  26. I'm living / working in Singapore... by canning · · Score: 2, Funny

    and it's hot and humid here 365 days a year. Do you think these guys would make a shirt out of this for me? I've constantly got the Norm Peterson sweat bra happening and it's getting embarrasing.

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  27. you know this guy's a mod freak... by switcha · · Score: 4, Funny
    my favorite line: I didn't have a 1/2" drill bit, so I drilled a smaller hole and widened it using a Dremel tool.

    See, a normal guy would have just gone and bought a 40 cent drill bit while he was out shopping for parts. With the gratuitous Dremel use, we know we have a true modder on our hands, here.

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  28. patentable idea? by Coneasfast · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It hit me that maybe this mousefan (and probably breezepad too) is a patentable idea in the USPTO. It's certainly more innovative than some of the other garbage that gets accepted.

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  29. Keyboard condoms... weird, but have their place by redwolfoz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you send them a photocopy of your keyboard, most companies will produce a reasonable keyboard skin for you.

    It's still very much a love it or hate it thing... you have to weigh up whether the weird rubbery texture and lack of key feel is worth ignoring to keep crap out of your keyboard. But if you're really jittery with your first caffiene source in the morning, it may be a cheaper option than constantly replacing fried keyboards.

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  30. Smokers by phorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about mice/keyboards themselves? At work, it's pretty easy to pick out the ones used by smokers, as the yellow chunky residue makes its way onto their keys.

    Having to do any service work that involves touching those keyboards is just gross - and it makes me wonder that if it's mucking up the keyboard that badly, what is it doing to their body?