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Open Content and Value Creation

Magnus Cedergren writes "Which are the driving forces behind the creation of Open Content? What value is created? That is the major questions I try to answer in my paper in the journal First Monday. I would like to thank all you people participating in my study in different ways."

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  1. *Yaaawn* by His+name+cannot+be+s · · Score: 5, Funny

    Holy crap... That's like the antidote for a double shot venti latte!

    I just about fell asleep reading that. Wuff, time for another coffee.

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  2. Open content != Open source by DOsinga · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A big difference between open content and open source is the lack of tools in the former. If I would start a literature encyclopedia based on the content of the Wikipedia I could get started really fast. But once my visitors start adding contents and the Wikipedia changes, there are no real good standards to merge back the content. A fork seems unavoidable.

    A good XML specification could help here, but currently open content usually means html files that can be freely copied. Until open content fixes this, the success of open source won't be copied.

    1. Re:Open content != Open source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes but Wikipedia is very restrictive and it outsources a lot of its content and fucntionality to Google. Also, you can't write "original articles", that is articles that have never been published on the Internet before. I was writing about a A famous Afgani Scientist but I got it deleted because it failed the so called "google test". They also delete articles that they don't agree with hiding under a thin NPOV "mask". So if you want to write something new or contraversial, don't use wikipedia.

    2. Re:Open content != Open source by dze · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So who was this "famous Afgani Scientist"?

      Wikipedia does not "outsource" content and functionality to Google. Sure, searching Wikipedia is probably easier with Google than with its search engine, but there's a lot of sites in that boat. As for the content, many public domain articles are found via Google and incorporated within Wikipedia. Sure, people use the Internet as a research tool, they also use printed works, their own knowledge and contribute photos or diagrams.

      I have found Wikipedia and the NPOV (neutral point of view) principle to work very well in practice. I think you may be missing the point of Wikipedia, which is to create a collection of generally accepted knowledge, not to publish "new or contraversial" material.

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  3. Because it's science by BWJones · · Score: 4, Informative


    We try to make as much of our work available on our site to the public because 1) It's science and 2) We are funded through federal grants/taxpayer $$'s and 3) We hope that work we do will help us and others to better understand vision, pathological processes in vision and possibly to rescue vision loss. Another vision educational site can be found here.

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  4. There is none.. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a musician in a symphony and a band, I'll say there is little to create content for free. I'll play for free, but I dont make a symphony.

    I also play in a jazz quartet (when we have a gig) playing Alto sax, Tenor sax, and B(flat) clarinet. If we played for free all the time, we couldnt afford new music or repairs on our instrument. We do a gig or 2 at nursing homes (goodwill and stuff ;-) but we usually like to get paid.

    Also, my mom's an artist. She's not the one to do "New Age" crap. She hates that stuff. Instead, she paints on canvases up to 5 feet long and 4 feet tall. She enjoys it with all her passion, but she couldnt do that free either. Wanna know why? Look for oil-based paints at an artist shop. Now calculate how much paint/brushes/canvas/frame it'd take to do it.

    Yeah, open content's nice. No royalties (sheet music), or public domain pictures would be nice. But it aint going to happen

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    1. Re:There is none.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Um, wrong. You give away your mp3s for free, and you're an unknown indy band, you get publicity in exchange. Then people will be more likely to go out and actually buy your CDs (unless you're such a small indy band you can't afford to produce CDs, of course) or come to your gigs. :)

      Open content fails really on only stuff that you can't really provide directly. Like making movies or something. And even then, there's nothing suggesting people won't be motivated to do it (if only for the fame value- or the resume).

      Open content, just like open source, is a hobby thing. People give away open content all the time. Look at the mod and demo scene. No one gets paid for that stuff but a lot of people get some entertainment. This is really nothing new.

    2. Re:There is none.. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Also, my mom's an artist. She's not the one to do "New Age" crap. She hates that stuff. Instead, she paints on canvases up to 5 feet long and 4 feet tall. She enjoys it with all her passion, but she couldnt do that free either.

      That's hardly the same thing. Your mom can only give her canvases away once, and at a few thousand dollar a canvas, I can see why she'd be reluctant to. But she could give away reproductions of her work; putting them up on a website would cost next to nothing (ignoring for the moment the difficulty in scanning large paintings). Surprise... many artists already provide content this way, usually for free and with very few strings attached.

      I don't know about music... perhaps there is some free sheet music available; I've never looked. But dont think it'll never happen if a quick search won't turn up anything.
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    3. Re:There is none.. by jc42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the contrary. There is a fair amount of free "sheet music" available online now, in a number of open formats. It's mostly of older (pre-1930's) music, of course, for the obvious copyright reasons. You can find both classical and traditional (folk) music.

      There's a clear benefit for the musicians who do it. I started doing it so I could access my music quickly from anywhere on the Net. I've even had cases where I was in a fairly remote area, and someone asked "Can you play ...?" With my wireless portable computer, I could quickly get on the Net, find the sheet music, bring it up on the screen, and say "Yeah, we can play that."

      And it doesn't take a lot of brains to realize that the more people doing this, the better it is for all of us. You can get at my sheet music, I can get at yours, and we all benefit. Your average 8-year-old should understand this (though your average politician and CEO probably won't).

      Now if we could do something about the copyright laws that prevent working musicians from doing such useful things with music from the past 80 years or so. Then we could dispense with the bulky binders and fake books, and just use our wireless portable. But I can't see this happening soon.

      If the music publishers had a grain of sense, they'd do the obvious thing here. Set up web sites like the iTunes site, but for "sheet music", that charge a very small amount per page or per score. Encourage wireless coverage so that musicians will stop carrying around (copies of ;-) books of music and pay the $0.05 per page or whatever to get it on their screen. This could quickly put an end to the illicit copying of printed books, because it's so much more convenient.

      But, of course, publishers will have to be dragged kicking and screaming (and suing) into the 21st century. We're watching the RIAA attacks on file sharers very closely, and we expect that the publishers will do the same thing to musicians in the near future. Musicians playing recent material will be in trouble. We classical and trad folk musicians mostly won't, because our material is public domain. You can't copyright Bach's or O'Carolan's music. (Yeah, publishers do claim copyright on these, but unless they make it clear that it's only their edition that's covered, their claim is fraudulent.)

      The fact that musicians are doing this freely while publishers can't see the profit opportunity says a lot about economic theories based on a rational market ...

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    4. Re:There is none.. by Godeke · · Score: 3, Informative

      I guess that depends on if you are talking about physical or digital. In the digital realm:

      (For pictures:)
      http://www.princetonol.com/groups/iad/ links/clipar t.html

      http://www.pdimages.com/

      (For sheet music:)

      http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/

      http://www.sheetmusic1.com/new.great.music.html

      If I can google up counter examples in 30 seconds, I have a hard time with the phrase "But it aint going to happen". Somebody spends the time to collect, organize and provide the bandwith for these items. There is even more content in the text world (the free Wikipedia was mentioned, but there are other collections such as PlanetMath).

      So no, I don't expect the physical world will see a lot of free content, but once content is created, why *not* put some of it out on the net. I find a lot of my computer consulting business results from doing side work to "help out". The "foot in the door" method seems similar to a little fame for "open content". Heck it might even be profitable.

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    5. Re:There is none.. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 3, Interesting

      >>>On the contrary. There is a fair amount of free "sheet music" available online now, in a number of open formats. It's mostly of older (pre-1930's) music, of course, for the obvious copyright reasons. You can find both classical and traditional (folk) music.

      I know there's lots of free sheet music, but playing in a jazz group, you need access to tons of numbers. Those numbers include all the way from the 1910's to now. I couldnt limit myself to just numbers in the public domain. We get paid to do songs THEY request.

      >>>If the music publishers had a grain of sense, they'd do the obvious thing here. Set up web sites like the iTunes site, but for "sheet music", that charge a very small amount per page or per score.

      Yeah, it makes perfect sense to us. But they dont think we matter.

      >>>Encourage wireless coverage so that musicians will stop carrying around (copies of ;-) books of music and pay the $0.05 per page or whatever to get it on their screen. This could quickly put an end to the illicit copying of printed books, because it's so much more convenient.

      For that price, I wouldnt mind being truthful if I got another score off of somebody else. I'd report it and pay the 5c per page (or whatever). Heck, for a 1$ per song, I'd be truthful if I downloaded it from somebody else-and liked it. All I care about is a high quality digital copy with no "protections".

      Sheet music => PNG, JPEG, PS, PDF
      Audio Music => RAW, FLAC, High VBR OGG/MP3
      Video => MPEG2, associated FREE(as in gpl) codecs

      Perhaps they'll learn.

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    6. Re:There is none.. by johnnyb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Open Content is not the same as doing everything for free.

      In fact, Open Content used to be the norm. Copyright laws are actually a fairly recent phenomena in history.

      If it costs X to produce a picture, there's nothing wrong with charging Y for it at a store. The problem is that if I'm an artist, too, and I make a copy for my friends using my own paints, and they pay me for cost of materials and time to do it, that should be legal, but it isn't.

      In fact, a _lot_ of art is one-time stuff. Painting murals in houses and buidings and stuff like that. Copyright does not aide the artist in those situations at all.

      There's nothing wrong with charging for CDs. It when I can't make a collection of the songs my wife and I enjoy and give it to her for her birthday (actually, this argument made more sense when she was just my girlfriend, but you get the picture).

      The fact is, throughout history, most content was open. Closed content is a relatively recent phenomena, and it's usefulness is questionable.

    7. Re:There is none.. by pavon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is different. Someone didn't create open content - they created copywritten content, which then went into the public domain after the term was over. In most cases the author used the opportunity to restrict copying to only paying customers, and thus made money on his creation.

      And yes, once a creative work has been created, it absolutly benifits society for everyone to have access to it. The question is whether an environment can be created where works are free to all and the author is still compensated for his work. But I think that we can easily agree that the current terms of copyright are far longer than neccisarry than needed provide an author time to make money off his work.

      A micro-pay system for sheet music would be very nice, but I have to point out that it isn't open content - it's affordable, convienent content. And the whole point of open content is that it's isn't under the control of a single entity, who will provide affordable, convienent access only if he feels like it (which he may be too stupid to do).

    8. Re:There is none.. by PeteyG · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, open content's nice. No royalties (sheet music), or public domain pictures would be nice

      There's plenty of public domain pictures available on government web sites. Anything relating to anything the government does (military stuff, criminals, national parks, public officials) is good to go.

      I also frequent an art site with an extensive collection of stock photography that is free for non-commercial use. I've used a fair bit of it in my open source art projects. It's only free if it's in the stock photography section, though.

      http://www.deviantart.com

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    9. Re:There is none.. by Godeke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, I do believe "this tripe". I make a decent living putting my foot into the doors of companies by providing inexpensive solutions up front. Over time I have built up a respectable customer base who come back to me for improvements and the like. I also contribute to open source and make a bit of my living by installing, configuring and customizing it.

      So if you write your own music and wish to keep it to yourself, that is fine. If you don't think it is good, even better that you keep it to yourself. However, I do believe the "tripe" that an musician who put a composition into open content (remember, attribution is not normally permitted to be removed as copyright is retained by the author) would gain by the ability to be "heard".

      If you are good, being heard through your compositions is only going to improve your likelyhood of success. I will leave it as an excersise for the reader in the alternate case.

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  5. Why not sell the release of Open Content? by CrosbieFitch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If copying is a particular problem for digital content (such as music), then instead of retailing it one copy at a time (on CDs), or giving up and distributing it as Open Content, why not sell it in one go first and then release it as Open Content?

    It's very similar to retail: everyone pays the same price, which is set by what the market will bear, but this time the price is set and the sale made, by the purchasers en masse - in advance of the release. This enables the creator to obtain the bulk of their revenue before their content can be copied.

    The Digital Art Auction
    1. Re:Why not sell the release of Open Content? by krysith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have been having thoughts similar to the grandparent post for awhile. I believe that it is incorrect to say that this does not make economic sense. That is only true if the content would be generated regardless of whether it is purchased.

      To show how it would work: A content producer (e.g. The Changelings, my favorite indy group) wants to make a CD. They put out a notice, letting fans know that they are working on a new CD. They say that they will release it to the public when contributions from the fans reach, say $35,000 (I have no idea how much they make total from a CD). If enough fans buy in, the CD is released and everyone can download and listen as much as they want. If not enough people put in, then obviously the band has put their price too high and ought to lower it. This model results in the content producer getting paid and the content being freely available. It also enables bargaining between the content producer and the fans. Effectively, that collective bargaining between fans and producers has been managed (usually greedily) by the content distributors (record companies) in the past. Now that distribution is nearly free, that model no longer works.

      The difficulty with this model is: who is going to pay? Why should I pay when someone else might pay for me? This reasoning seems good, but ignores the time value of content. It also ignores the fact that people will and do support content creators which make stuff they like. And it ignores the fact that it benefits a musician, artist, or author to have more people see their work EVEN if they get nothing from that particular work, as it increases the value of their future work. If I heard that the Changelings had a CD coming out, and needed some money towards it, I'd buy in, even if you might not. I wouldn't even need to hear samples (their last 4 albums have convinced me), although some people would want to.

      I have trouble thinking of a better model which addresses the troubles we are having with the current system. Anyone on /. have any better ideas? We have all seen the fracas which is resulting from the unenforceablity of current copyright laws. No one wants to see the artists not get paid, but no one wants to throw college kids in jail for copying CDs either. A new business model is needed. Isn't that what we've been saying?

  6. Tools. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Without proper tools, how can people hope to create content? I know someone is going to say, "Oh, we have the tools!" But are those tools easy and innovative to use? Most tools are shit, I'm sorry to say. Most tools aren't intuitive at all.

    What will drive open content is an open, standard, easy way of creating content. A suite, if you will. Until that exists, one can kiss open content goodbye, because the effort is largely not worth it.

    A case in point- look at game mods. When a game comes with an editor of sorts, people mod said games quite happily. TOOLS. That's the key.

    We have no tools.

  7. Open content creates use value by Chris+Croome · · Score: 4, Informative

    Open content, like free software, has use value but because anyone can reproduce and distribute it for next to no cost it doesn't really have much of an exchange value :-)

    This stuff has been discussed quite a bit at Project Oekonux and there is an interesting essay, GNU/Linux is not a thing of value - and that is fine! which does explore these ideas, however it is a bit hard to follow because it's only a partial translation of a German document.

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  8. Open content = a library of knowledge by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The trouble with closed content is that it's inaccessible to people who want to learn and do more in the future. Who knows what secrets we lost from ancient times, but we do have the stuff they shared, like statues. How important is that? Well, even WITH the statues it's hard to figure out how they did it. Knowing what was done would save us from reinventing the wheel after nearly 2000 years of "advances".

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  9. Re:First Content Creation! by saden1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Open Source Content has a value for two kinds of people. Those who initially create it, and those who want make money on it.

    It has no value to entities whose business is in danger.

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  10. The Success of Open Content Depends on 1 Thing by scorp1us · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If it is beneficial to the content creator as such.

    Here we will legitimately need DRM - in the way that it should be implemented. We need a away to track content to its creaor and not have people reassign the creator.

    Then we need a societial or business system that rewards these creators. Gaining an audiance these days is easy, gaining a following is not. Once people see it, and appreciate it, those they have to be able to reward the content creator in some way. Usualy this is money... But that's not what's happening now. We have this Open Content system going on now, and it works. But not as you expect. A lot of open source project leaders start or pick up projects for the recognistion, which then leads to employment and jobs. I've seen this time and time again. Case and point: Linus. At transmeta he was aloowed to work on the kernel all he wanted. At his previous employer too. The talent in open source generally gets recruited for f/t, p/t contract work...

    But we're not talking about software, we're talking about media (Ironically, both are covered by copyrights...) and until there is a system in t place (an Open Content recording studio, printing press, or the like) Open Content won't get too far. For it is only in the tangeble items that we buy that we are addured some kind of sales figures.

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  11. A learning experience by tcdk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    (I may be misunderstanding the term "OpenContent" - but I take it to mean "providing content, without making money on it").

    I started to review the books I had read, about 7 years ago. It mainly started of as a way to remember what I had read. It quickly became a way to practice my english (which isn't my primary language) and an excuse for maintaining a homepage with some actual content.

    My site has gone from static page to phpNuke (and my own extensions). My reviews has gone from a couple of stumbeling lines to fairly substansial things (when I feel like it).

    I've worked hard at promoting the site and I've learned a lot about online advertising in the process.

    Sometimes I can use a review as a soapbox, and vent a few of my feelings/ideas.

    All this while providing something that may be useful to other people.

    I've even spend a good deal of money on it, and the returnes from amazon(co.uk/.com) has been nothing compared to my expenses (mostly books/hosting).

    The questions for me is more like: Why aren't you making open content? It's does take time, but if you actually know something, you'll get better and more confident with this knowledge in the process of sharing.

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    1. Re:A learning experience by martyn+s · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, but that's the point. People express themselves creatively because they enjoy it, not because they make money on it. (A corollary of this is that copyright is meant to finance art, not motivate it.)

  12. Good article, but missed the negatives!!! by Serapth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article was an interesting read, but I think it missed out on a massively important point.

    The one thing that open content lacks ( and also, ironically one of its strengths ) is quality control. Anybody can realistically publish anything or everything they want, of their own creation into the public domain. This is an area that for the most part is lacking in an open content system. There is no editor per-say; there is no proof reader, or anybody that actually audits the validity of the content.

    Of Course, the ability to publish your works into the public demand, effectively for free, is a great advantage. As is the ability to publish that which you wish to say without censorship, and in some cases, without ulterior motive.

    At the same time, thats the problem... with out quality control, the consistancy of the published work or the validity of fact within such work cannot be gauranteed. In the end, of times, one will spend longer sifting through the garbage in order to find a gem... that in the end, it would perhaps have been simplier and some case's cheaper ( time is money ... all that) to just go with atypical close content? At least then, your normally gauranteed a baseline of quality.

    Dont take that the wrong way... im not saying that open content is lesser in quality then closed content... I imagine that just isnt the case. But, there is a reason we hire people to sift through good and bad products to decide what should be published. Allowing any tom, dick or harry to publish whatever works they wish is a wonderful thing, but for every item published... the ability to find the creme of the crop, becomes harder and harder.

    Then there is open content along the lines of news/information. From a closed content provider, their is often a certain legal liability or onus on the publisher to verify the validity of said content. Under an open content system, there is no such thing. For the most part, I read a story in the newspaper... im pretty much sure its mostly based on fact... lawsuits result from less. ( That said, I have no trust of closed media either. ) On the same accord... on the net... I can read stories from basically anyone in the world... now, knowing if I can trust it, if it was real, or just some bogus hoax... that I cant do.

    Thats the difference in a sense between open source software, and open source content. The world of software is by its nature a much smaller subset... their are certain skills you need to possess to both create content ( code/software ), and to use that content. Dont get me wrong, there are loads of crap open source projects out there... but due to the realivly small size of the community, coupled with its technical savvy... the truly good projects tend to rise to the top. However, in the world of open content... ANYBODY can play... there is no baseline skill required to say... write an article ( I didnt say a good one... ;) ). Additionally, to consume any open content, really doesnt require that much skill either... A whole area of checks and balances that exist in the code development world, just doesnt exist here. Coupled with the fact, that you really dont require any particular skill to publish (bad) content, and their is nobody out there to stop you from doing so... very very very quickly start drowning all the good stuff out with the bad.

    Im not against the idea... im just suggesting that as open content becomes more successful, its success itself, will result in more open content being released... quality going down... and difficulty in finding such good content rising. One need just look at the difference between the web now, and say... in 1996... You cant argue that it isnt much more cluttered with crap then its ever been.

  13. Open Comment by WPIDalamar · · Score: 3, Funny


    I am releaseing this comment under an open comment license. You are free to use, modify, copy and distribute it so long as credit is given back to me for the original work.

    1. Re:Open Comment by Basis · · Score: 4, Funny

      You have used a word that is Intellectual Property of my company. I refuse to tell you which word, as it is a trade secret. People can continue to use your comment, but are required to purchase a license from me for the low price of 1500 USD.

      Thank you for your support.

  14. No hope for open content by dook43 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unfortunately, open content is largely a different animal than OSS. While it sounds great, and is surely a great idea, it seems that until artists, musicians, and graphic/software developers don't make a living off of their works, they will never want to give their compositions away for free along with the details of how they were created. Since many OSS programmers are also employed gainfully writing non-OSS software, this is not a problem for them because they don't make a living writing it. Even if they don't, in cases such as Hans Reiser, they can get sponsorships from search engines, DARPA, and the like to add whatever features that a certain party wants added. Here is possibly where open content could work however; for example, I could pay Chris Cornell to write a song about whatever I wanted, and specify in the contract that he had to release information about lyrics, sheet music, and which instruments he used into the public domain. Artists who spend time creating works will never want to release their work into the public domain without compensation. They have to eat too!

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  15. long live open content by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the easy answer to this in that "open content" is its own reward...kinda like playing music. The act of creating something carries with it enough personal satisfaction to keep us doing it, without any need for others to comment.

    However, we all should know that plenty of Big Corporate Interests will soon start trying to eliminate "open content" from the table. DRM and legal challenges will soon start working together to eliminate what-they-will-call unregulated content, of course, to protect us from some imaginary threat to our safty/children and/or security, and to control the distribution of products and threatening memes that the internet allow to run unfettered.

    We must all be vigilant to protect this bastion of free speech, for powerful forces are combining to reshape it into there restrictive image....

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  16. The problem of value. by panda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem of value is that *most* people are conditioned by society to equate value with money. There are many things in my life that have value to me but I cannot express that value in monetary terms. Most of these "things" (my family, my friends) have a value that far exceeds any quantifiable monetary sum. These are things which I hold so dear that I would not sell them at any price, and I would even give up my life to protect them.

    Free Software that I use and that I have contributed to also has value to me, but I don't generally attempt to quantize that value in monetary. It has a utility value in that it helps me to accomplish tasks, it improves my understanding of software creation, and it even entertains me. So there are many levels of value in otherwise valueless software: utility, entertainment, and intellectual stimulation.

    The same holds for "open content." Most of the www is still available to us at little or no charge, and though much of what may be out there is dross, there is still a great deal of entertainment, utility, and educational value to be found.

    Warren Buffett has been quoted as saying that the Internet is the greatest destroyer of value to ever exist. In the strict monetary sense of value, he is correct. In the less tangible sense of value, as in what I value and what I have to gain of an intellectual and/or utilitarian nature from free and open content and code on the Internet, Mr. Buffett could not be more wrong. The Internet and technologies that can be used have the potential to greatly increase the non-monetary value of any information, and that in my opinion is a good thing.

    It is time that we get beyond money as the sole measuring stick for value.

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  17. people can make movies by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Interesting


    and they do it pretty well with no money too

    http://www.bangshortfilmfestival.com/

    okay they aren't going to make a special effects action movie but there is more to the genre than massive budget film

    even CGI

    http://www.hardlight.couk.com/

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  18. The Public Good by DesScorp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would someone make open content?

    For the same reason some people (not all) write open source software. For the same reason that some people take their personal time to volunteer for the Red Cross or Goodwill. For the same reason that someone participates in a neighborhood watch. For the same reason the Martin Luther posted the 99 Thesis on church doors.

    For the public good. You do it because you think it benefits some sector of the public. Most people can't do it ALL the time, because we like to eat and have homes and be able to buy things occasionaly. But most people have the impulse to volunteer for something worthy from time to time. Most developers do commercial work, copyrighted and proprietary by day, to pay the bills. Some do extra volunteer coding in their spare time, because they want to contribute their skills to the benefit the public at large.

    The value comes from the knowledge that you're doing something worthy and good, and doing it for the right reasons. I could use my time in a variety of ways, including making money. But I know that when I give blood, I may have just saved a life. CPR instructors know that their efforts may helpy MANY people save lives. Volunteers refurbishing a downtrodden playground know they've helped give kids a better place to play.

    Providing open content is no different if you do it for these reasons.

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    Life is hard, and the world is cruel
  19. Value != Wealth by ThosLives · · Score: 2
    Just so long as people remember that creating value is not the same thing as creating wealth, I'm all cool with this conversation.

    "Value" is the worth people assign to things, and is how much people are willing to trade for something. Value can be in dollars, time, whatever - basically the value of something is the alternatives forgone for the thing.

    "Wealth" is actually how much stuff there is around. Technically, the only things that increase wealth are manufacturing and agriculture. Everything else just moves that wealth around.

    Incidentally, there is an interesting debate over if software increases wealth. I would argue no, because it just moves information around, and you have to do something physical with that information to create wealth. However, software does have value because of that fact. And that's why people will always be willing to pay for software - and entertainment.

    So, you can't really "create" value, because it depends on people's opinions - it's completely subjective. I guess, to answer your question of how much value can Open Content create: More than zero, less than infinite, with 100% confidence.

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    "There are a dozen opinions on a matter until you know the truth. Then there is only one." - CS Lewis (paraprhase)
  20. The Imperfection is Yours by FreeUser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Open Source Content has a value for two kinds of people. Those who initially create it, and those who want make money on it.

    It has no value to entities whose business is in danger.


    "Microsoft Software has a value for two kinds of people. Microsoft and those who want to make money on it (fixing it, in all liklihood).

    It has no value to entities whose business is in danger."

    Both those statements ignore another group for which the product has value: those who use it (although, if my girlfriend is any indication, Microsoft Software's value to the end user is a negative number, but I digress). Indeed, that is where Microsoft loses in value (and free software wins big ... not just in value of quality, but in value in rapid development, improvements, and direct feedback to the creators that commercial entities such as MS are soreley lacking), but wins by making up for it in quantity (the power of marketing and inertia).

    Free and Open Content is of great value to those who create it and those who enjoy using it, as well as those who enjoy creating with it. I know: I've created an open content novel available under the Creative Commons license. The work has great value to me, and to a decent number of people who have read and enjoyed it.

    That value is real, and your inability to place a monetary amount on that value is your failing, not that of free content.

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    The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
  21. Producing Open Content has its own rewards by MarkWatson · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I have written 2 open content (Creative Commons license) web books (with a 3rd available in rough, incomplete form) on Java + AI, and Common LISP programming.

    I get a lot out of writing open content material. The best thing is getting sincere thanks from people who use my work. A secondary benefit is that I think that it helps my consulting business.

    That said, I probably spend only 5% of my "work" time producing free open content - I do have to pay the bills.

    -Mark

  22. Re: Story Moderation by 4of12 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Already gets done.

    If you look closely at the number of comments and the number of comments with high scores associated with the story.

    I wouldn't mind if the Slash code showed some nice graphics so I could more quickly find the hot stories. Something like larger pies for more comments, with colored sectors for fractions of high comments, etc.

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    "Provided by the management for your protection."