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Jonathan Zittrain On The Spiderweb of Copyright Law

Jonathan Zittrain, director of Harvard Law School's Berkman Center for Internet & Society, takes an unusual approach to critiquing copyright in this Legal Affairs article. He explains with an analogy to the bizarre patchwork of United States tax codes a reason that (in the words of one of Zittrain's colleagues) "all the cyberprofs hate copyright." It goes beyond simple indignation that current copyright laws often grant seemingly unfair monopoly powers, and into the tangled minutia of the laws themselves.

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  1. Gasp! by James+A.+A.+Joyce · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Laws that people don't understand are disliked by them? Surely some mistake!

    What does the government expect? Copyright laws have not been properly developed and then updated independently of the interests of those with influence (read: money) but have instead been accumulated over time by gradual accretion. Is it really any surprise then that they parallel other equally confusing works such as James Joyce's Ulysses, developed in an identical way. Copyright law started out as making some sense for the purpose of protecting an artist's rights while allowing public domain material to say public domain. Now they continuously tinker with it. Rich organisations constantly press for nonsensical and exact new stipulations, and because people try to exploit every loophole at every opportunity because of this they have to introduce even more arbitrary limits:


    "For example, bars and restaurants that measure no more than 3,750 square feet (not including the parking lot, as long as the parking lot is used exclusively for parking purposes) can contain no more than four TVs (of no more than 55 inches diagonally) for their patrons to watch, as long as there is only one TV per room."


    What bullshit! The thing that makes this even worse is that this isn't unusual: it's just a microcosm of law these days: a series of idiotic and numerically precise restrictions with no justification suffering from excessive detail with every little fucking detail having to be dictated due to the foolhardy allowance given for defence lawyers in exploiting any undefined part of each law.
    1. Re:Gasp! by wol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with your description of the idiotic and numercially precision regulations with no justification. And they are generally dictated by the plaintiff's bar. But even if the defendent meets those requirements, he/she/it will still be sued and some jury will award money to someone who was 98% responsible for the accident in the first place.

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  2. We need a constitutional amendment here. by Thinkit3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember, copyright law is given in the constitution. So much like slavery (a similarly bad system), a constitutional amendment will have to occur to rid of us this scourge.

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    1. Re:We need a constitutional amendment here. by wol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Copyright law is in the US Constitution, but the ridiculous stuff is in the law (passed by Congress) and the regulations (enacted by 'mere' regulators.) You don't need a constitutional amendment, you need intelligent government. ... sorry ... worldwide shortage of that.

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    2. Re:We need a constitutional amendment here. by uncoveror · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries". This is all that is in the constitution. The first copyright law based on this had a term of 14 years, and was renewable once if the author or artist still was alive, and still had something commercially viable, but they had to apply for renewal, it was not automatic.

      That original law was perfectly adequate to encourage authors and artists to keep creating. It was always done for the benefit of society as a whole, not a few greedy profiteers. It did not create "intellectual property", a highly offensive misnomer, it created a temporary loan from the public domain, to which all ideas belong once expressed. There is similar language in the laws of many other countries. Copyright extentions have totally ruined the purpose of copyright to the point that just undoing them may not fix it any more. Perhaps copyright should simply be abolished. Yes, that would take an amendment, but overturning extentions would only take simple legislation. Too bad the greedy profiteers who oppose it own congress. We need to vote the bums out!

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    3. Re:We need a constitutional amendment here. by Alsee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Remember, copyright law is given in the constitution.

      Nope. All the constitution says is that congress MAY create copyright law, and only for a specific purpose, and only for limited duration. Repealing the entirety of copyright law would be perfectly constitutional. All it would take would be one act of congress.

      Copyright law can be a good thing within those narrow limits. But copyright law has grown like a cancer beyond its original intent. There is no inherent right to to get copyright protection. Intellectual property is an oxymoron. Copyright law was intended to be covered by civil law, not criminal law.

      Copyright was not intended to apply at all in any non-commercial context. The law does not exist to ensure that any particular business will make a profit. Copyright law was strictly intended to ensure that whatever profits were made went to the copyright holder. Someone profits off your work you can sue them and receive the profits. No profit, no claim. Traditional copyright law.

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    4. Re:We need a constitutional amendment here. by aussersterne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It did not create "intellectual property", a highly offensive misnomer, it created a temporary loan from the public domain, to which all ideas belong once expressed.

      Thank you. This is the best summary of the entire issue I've red thus far, and reflects my feelings exactly. I can't imagine a more offensive concept than "intellectual property" and can't imagine anyone who is not of the most base bourgeois sensibility feeling any differently.

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    5. Re:We need a constitutional amendment here. by yanestra · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Copyright law was intended to be covered by civil law, not criminal law.

      Very important. If being treated as part of criminal law, copyright is a carte blanche for the industry to write their own criminal law statutes, without a need to ask any parliament.

      And that's really a big step away from democracy.

  3. But it will never change! by groove10 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are too many wealthy vested interests in copyright law that change at this stage is nearly impossible. The interconnectedness of laws and elections and corporations make the changing of the law to include more logic and coherancy is impossible.

    The lawyers don't want change even though they see the problems everyday since it will keep more cases out of court and decrease their job opportunities.

    The monied corps don't want to change them because the ambiguity helps their cases as they can just throw money at lawyers and the courts in order to win their cases.

    The politicians don't want to change them because they are paid well for opposing such changes.

    Therefore, the only people who want them changed are people like you and me... The ones who are informed and see the problem. The only thing is that we are a small minority of the voting public.

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    1. Re:But it will never change! by wol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So start a letter writing compaign, call your Congressperson, do something instead of justing whining on Slashdot. The only way to overcome big money lobbying activity is to get the politicians to realize that a large amount of voters are unhappy. Remember, corporations can only contribute money, they can't vote. And it is the deliver of votes (or threat of delivery of votes) that is the only score that counts.

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  4. Re:Irony here, academia hates copyright? by wol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Credit for ideas, yes. Laws that are microscopic in detail and miss the actual target are hated.

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  5. Ideas.. by CashCarSTAR · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How to fix it? Lots of desire..little ideas...

    Here's one.

    Copyright is absolute (except for fair use) for a period of 2 years. After that, non-commercial use/sharing is allowed. When the copyright holder neglects the copyright, the whole thing goes to public domain.

    That is a very good balance between the rights of the copyright holder and the public for the digital era. Maybe it's a too much in favour of the public, but frankly, they've made their bed.

    1. Re:Ideas.. by OldMiner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They? Who is this mysterious they? Think about what you're saying. You're thinking of some specific people who you feel have abused copyright and proposing a change in the system to punish them. However, your solution would quickly screw over anyone who creates unique material and doesn't get it immediately to market. The result would likely be that the large conglomerates which you're targetting would be the only way an author, an artist, a poet, or a composer could hope to do make a living. Everyone would need a massive advertising splurge to push interest for a month, create the newest fad, and sell all that's possible in the miniscule window of two years.

      And that's ignoring the fact that the GPL exists only under the auspices of copyright. You'd destroy that too. Such a proposal as you've made is completely short-sighted.

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  6. Lets See by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You have 4 ways to protect essentially the same thing.

    Copyright
    Trademark
    Patent
    Trade Secret

    The rules governing them overlap, contradict and in the case of patent are usually poorly applied(prior art).

    Toss in 200 years of technological progress that have reduced difficult or impossible tasks to completely trivial tasks. (Publishing books, reproducing music, etc)

    Add in the fact that the laws were originally designed to deal with works that were matters of entertainment or education now deal with pedestrian business tools. (Theres not many businesses that will stop because a copyrighted book is unavailable. Theres quite a few that will stop if the copy protection on their software goes bezerk).

    My point is it took a Harvard Law prof. to figure out the system is broke ? The only people its not broke for are the I.P. lawyers and for them its a license to extort money.

  7. Re:Irony here, academia hates copyright? by Sardonis · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Plagiarism (which is frowned upon in academia) is very different from copyright infringement.

    Plagiarism is copying work from others and publishing it als your own (i.e. pretend it is entirely your own work). It is like renaming a metallica mp3 as Sardonis\'_Hefty_Metal_Band-Roll_Now.mp3 (or whatever) and pretending I wrote the music/text and did the performance, recording, mixing, etc.

    Copyright infringers copy a work without permission, but usually give lots of credit. Someone sharing mp3's from metallica is usually quite upfront about the fact that they are made by metallica.

  8. Cable and Copyright Infringement by TLouden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some (maybe all) people have to pay a small fee every time the get their cable bill which claims to be a 'copyright infringement' fee. The idea here is that some people will copy/record what they watch and therefore the producers of that material must be paid for this infringement. So this assumes that everyone that has cable is breaking the law and so they must pay. So does this mean that if I'm already guilty of the crime I might as well do it, what about innocence before guilt? Does this seam backwards to anyone else?

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  9. Interesting Point by nuggz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good question I had wondered, so I looked.
    From their site.

    http://www.turnitin.com/static/legal_document.ht ml #archiving

    Commercial use of a work may still be "fair use" under U.S. Copyright Law ... the use does not "materially impair the marketability of the work which is copied."

    That superficially solid, however by using it to detect plagurism decreases the marketability of the work.
    One of the stated purposeses of turnitin.com is to destroy the business of "paper mills" or "digital paper mills". As such these actions likely do decrease the marketability of the work either directly or indirectly.

    Plagarism at school is NOT a crime AFAIK.
    Copyright infringement IS a crime. Copying works to impair the marketability of the work by the copyright holder is most certainly illegal, and morally wrong.

  10. Re:Why all the confusion by gilroy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Blockquoth the poster:

    I've never had any trouble seeing how "traditional" copyright law could and should be applied to modern technology.

    Oh, really? Well, you're an infringer. You see, you've made a copy of the slashdot article and probably of the main article, too. You didn't get the explicit permission of the copyright holder, either. And maybe you've covered your dirty little crime by clearing your browser's cache, but the fact remains: To have read the article at all, you had to willfully cause to be created a copy of that article.


    Ludicrous? Sure. Implicit in the whole idea of how the Net and the Web work? Certainly. In contradiction of "traditional" copyright? Without a doubt.


    And before you unload on me, consider that (a) Congress had to add language providing for "emphemeral" copies and (b) the Copyright Cartel fought tooth-and-nail to stop such language from being added.

  11. Time for talk has ended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We got into this situation by copyright holders taking the rights they wanted. I fear the only way out is by taking them back.

    I propose an amendment to the constitution that grants copy rights for 8 years. Holders will be allowed all their current freedoms (including the right to sue the entire U.S.) but these rights will only last 8 years.

    There will be no grandfather clause. All copyrights prior to 1995 will expire immediately.

    There wlil be no negotiation either. Media companies have demonstrated their unwillingness to play fair; and artist have demonstrated their preference for companies that don't play fair.

    [Identity withheld for obvious reasons.]

  12. Let's tear the whole thing up. by grantsellis · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Judging from the preveilance of "Let's tear up copyright law and start over" posts, copyright law is not popular here (duh).

    The kneejerk reaction, however, ignores the fact that copyright law has evolved because of specific problems and exists in its current form because that is what producers believe they require to turn a profit.

    Zittrain touches on this patchwork evolution of copyright with a comarison to tax law:
    a product of diverse interests shaped from the bottom up than as an elegant set of rules crafted by legal artisans to align with high-level principles.
    The original provisions for copyright law have been frequently quoted, because back when they were written they were deemed sufficient to get people to produce content. However, each time the producers (at first authors/composers and later corporations) felt they got screwed they lobbied for an extension.

    Examples of this problem / solution approach to law explain many of the changes. For instance, authors in the 1800s frequently were destitute in their later years because their works went out of copyright. Nothing like Sir Walter Scott as your poster boy to get sympathy.

    And what about those geniuses who die young before their works become popular (e.g. Stephen Crane). Their heirs were *really* pleased. Can anyone say life plus 50?
    Skip to a modern example from the article: look at the rediculous 55 inch TV rule. That's the result of bars competing with cinemaplexes without having to pay royalties for what they showed on huge screens. The resulting (stupid) rule gives a maximum size for a TV screen that does not qualify as competiting with the movies.

    Bear in mind each badly written novel generally takes at least a year to write and then several months for a team of people to edit, and each dirivitive pop CD takes about 6 months to write plus several months for a team of people to produce, and we all know about the effort put into each lousy movie. People (and corporations) don't want to see that effort go down the drain, and with profit margins being low in the various content creation industry, they'll fight like dogs for even more draconian rules unless they can be convinced relaxing the rules will help them.

    The publishing ogliarchy exists, ironically enough, because people don't like to waste their time listening to garbage. The industry offers people certain (minimal) guarantees, so most people listen to them. That, not money, is what gives them their clout. If we rewrote the law, lawmakers would listen to them out of the because they don't want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Thus, without addressing producer's concerns, we'd have to write *more* draconian laws

    I'd say salvation would come from addressing these concerns more then viva la revolucion style burning of the old laws. For instance, listening to my brother's downloaded music has pushed me towards buying CDs I wouldn't otherwise have known about. That is something content producers need to know before we get rational copyright law: Sharing can help them.

    Of course, since I'm writting this on a Mac, I have to add that salvation will come from the Apple Music store, just to gloat.

    IANAL, just an english major with an emphasis in publishing.
  13. Great article, but... by kaltkalt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Zittrain proves to be yet another intelligent person who can't see past the "we must have copyright or there will be no creativity" fallacy. It's really a shame. Yes, even the founding fathers fucked up on that one, although they at least limited it to 14+14 years, which was acceptable. Had they really had foresight, they would have stuck "Congress shall make no law establishing a monopoly - temporary or permanent - on any creation, artistic or technical" in the First Amendment. Yes, no patents, no copyrights. People will still get off their asses and make stuff. We did it before the advent of intellectual "property" monopolies and we'd still do it once those monopolies are abolished. Bottom line: get rid of copyright (yes, all of it, erase Title 17) and people will still paint pictures, record music, make movies, books, television shows, and software. In fact, since the size of the public domain will increase a million-fold overnight, there will be a lot more to use in order to create such things. And jack valenti should be left asking "do you want fries with that?"

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    1. Re:Great article, but... by Sydney+Weidman · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I agree that it needs to be completely wiped out, but for a slightly different reason.

      The "information owners" lobby is too powerful for incremental change to work in favour of public interest or good. Since the members of that group also control the public dialogue on such matters via their distribution channels, it becomes doubly difficult to press back gently.

      Moreover, current IP is a blunt instrument that lends itself to abuse because it deals with overly broad classes of material, with no provision for measuring merit. There's lots of noise generated, but not much signal.

      Is that really the best we can do? Who knows? No one is proposing alternatives because the airwaves are choked with received opinion and regurgitated pap courtesy of the knowguls (ya know, like moguls).

    2. Re:Great article, but... by odin53 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The more important question is this: Will you get the results you need? . . . What you really want is a way to encourage the right kind of output, the needed output, not just blindly throw favours at some particular sector of the economy.

      This is a perfectly valid question, but it's not one that has an easy answer. Your example of a cure for cancer is fine, but the question of "need" is much subtler. Who is to say what is "needed"? For drugs, it's somewhat easier -- of course we'd rather have a cure for cancer than a drug that combats cancer symptoms. But what about, say, music? What kind of music do we "need"? One might analogize and argue that the current IP system encourages "crap" like Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys, and depresses the distribution of "good" music produced on indie labels. This, it would seem, is bad -- I hear echoes of this argument a lot on /. But who's to say that Britney is "bad" and some indie band is "good"? It's certainly not the job of lawmakers to fashion laws that would reduce the production of Britneys and increase the production of indie bands. Their job is to increase the production of music. You may lament that there's too much Britney, but frankly, indie bands are still making music, are they not?

      The same goes for "useless" patents; say, patents for stuff you'd buy late at night on an infomercial. The point is to encourage ANY production (up to where the marginal benefit == marginal cost)-- the presumption is that ANY additional production (up to MB==MC) is good for society, notwithstanding people's tastes or better judgment. It's a good presumption, too -- I'm not willing pass judgment on what is "needed" and what's not, and I'm not willing to let anyone else decide it.

      Of course, with the creative output of academia now hobbled by "market relevance" and special interest lobbies, no engine of intellectual freedom is left.

      Do you really believe this? First, if you look at the work of any scholars in any discipline at all the universities of this world, I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of the work is completely market irrelevant. Second, I don't think there was ever a time when universities produced work while not beholden to anyone. Patrons -- especially royalty, but more recently, simply rich people -- have always given money to academia for their special interests. Hundreds of years ago, this is the only thing that happened; universities didn't always have the enormous endowments they have now. Even if private interests weren't involved, the government was, not only the royalty I mentioned above, but like in the past 100 years, all kinds of government -- capitalist/democratic, socialist, communist. Today isn't much different than any time in our past, except now the universities themselves can sell the work.

  14. Re:Good Ideas, But They'll Never Fly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    American Lawyers tell you with a straight face that a corporation is a person, and that a song or movie made while in the employ of a corporation was a "work for hire" and is therefore the creation of the corporation. Corporations can and do outlive any natural human. So even a lifetime copyight wouldn't work.

  15. What should be illegal... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What should be illegal is extending existing copyrights after they are issued. The copyright term in effect at the time of creation has served its purpose by the very fact that the work was created. While copyright terms might be reduced in the future, no copyright term should be allowed to be extended -- ever!

    This way Americans might feel the copyright system is more fair than many obviously feel it is now.

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