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Meet Martin Taylor Of Microsoft's Open Source Test Lab

securitas writes "Martin Taylor was recently appointed as Microsoft's open source and Linux strategist and is responsible for Microsoft's open source and Linux test lab, mentioned on Slashdot last week. Taylor says his goal is to change Microsoft's competitive strategy by pursuing a fact-based approach instead of continuing the previous discredit-and-undermine strategy that was characterized by calling open source and Linux software 'a cancer, un-American and bankrupt' among other things. Taylor says he plans to focus on (and fund) studies that 'will highlight Microsoft's advantages in areas such as security, feature-completeness and total cost of ownership.'"

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  1. Different Strategy, Same Acronym by gokubi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fact-based UNIX Debunking. Why confuse the argument by trying to have it match reality?

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    1. Re:Different Strategy, Same Acronym by mark_space2001 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Nope, I strongly disagree.

      What this really means is that Microsoft is smart, and has hired someone who will now find much better reasons to poo-poo open source and Linux. Maybe not good reasons or reasons anyone here would agreee with, but reasons that will make sense to the IT departments and executives that make up Microsofts customers.

      On the plus side, if MS does come up with technical reasons against using Linux or other OS projects, that means those reasons can be addressed by technical people. Either rebut, or fix, whatever issues this new lab comes up with. Easy, and good for open source too.

      God, I LOVE competition.

    2. Re:Different Strategy, Same Acronym by newkid · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Think twice, because this is MS do it is the same. That is just smoking mirrors again.

      Proof? They have just hired a PR firm to do the dirty work while they polish their image.
      Before: "they are the cancer of IP"
      Now: "they stole our IP"

      Same message, just better wording.

      By the way, every time the OSS community reads and discuss the MS FUD of the week, that is time wasted not focusing on its own strategy. Just as the Linux desktop needs to break away from the MS path and be innovative, the community needs to stop acting as complements and substitutions of MS products but as an autonomous end-to-end solution provider.

      Fight Microsoft where it hurts: ignore them.

      I know it is fun to ridicule them, but they provide a cheap entertainment that is working for them the long run: we get accustomed to their style, they shape the "industry standards" at that level, and we don't get our work done. And we learn about all of their products.

      Do yourself a favour, stop reading about the MS crap, there is never anything really new, and take it to the next level.

  2. Don't tell anyone, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Martin Taylor is actually a revolutionary new AI developed by Microsoft. He'll be a part of Windows 2005 if everything goes smoothly. Think of him as Microsoft Bob's grandson.

  3. Eddy the Prophet by eddy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I see into... the future... I see this "lab" only producing... whitepapers where Microsoft.... wins!

    Whoa. There's a surprise.

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    1. Re:Eddy the Prophet by mrpuffypants · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's be refreshing seeing a press release from MS that looked like:

      REDMOND, WASHINGTON: LINUX BETTER THAN WINDOWS

      Today in a competitive test pitting the performance, TCO, and overall geek factors of Windows Server 2003 vs. Linux a final answer was reached: Linux is faster, better, cheaper, and geekier than Windows.

      Informed of the results that the Microsoft lab found, Bill Gates (Microsoft Founder and Chief Software Architect) remarked "Somebody ain't getting bonuses this year!"

      Commenting on the results Steve Ballmer (Microsoft CEO) said "We have seen the light. On January 1, 2004 all Microsoft products will be released under the GPL and fully open-sourced," her added, "in addition, we have voluntarly sold all of our business assets to OSDN and Red Hat collectively."

      Also announced was a plan to sink $10 Billion into a "Kill those Bastards SCO" Fund.

    2. Re:Eddy the Prophet by nsample · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How could the parent get modded up as "insightful"?! At best, for the humor-challenged, it could be seen as a pretty meager attempt to secure "funny".

      Of course Microsoft will produce white papers that show Microsoft winning! Why would they possibly do otherwise? They're a *company*, not a *charity*. Besides, it should be seen as the highest form of flattery that Linux warrants so much of their time and energy. It means that Linux is at least making an impression.

      Maybe by taking Microsoft seriously for once, rather than spouting some glib "Microsoft is going to show themselves winning" tripe, you would see that these sorts of comparisons benefit Linux. Microsoft *may* be able to fudge a little, but direct, fact-based comparisons will put a spotlight on Linux failures. And give us some needed attention to boot.

      Guess how long it'll take take the Linux folks to solve any "problem" that Microsoft graciously points out? Not long. How is that a loss for Linux? Seems like it makes Linux stronger *exactly* where MS sees a temporary weakness.

      The parent does exactly what MS has learned doesn't work: relying on emotion and FUD. I wish there was a -1, uninsightful.

    3. Re:Eddy the Prophet by steve_stern · · Score: 5, Funny
      I see into... the future... I see this "lab" only producing... whitepapers where Microsoft.... wins!
      Maybe they should call it backslashdot, after its open source equivalent.
  4. Microsoft, and linux... hrmmmm by Scorpion265 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I find it funny that Microsoft is actualy going to attack linux by learning it. They still have a strangle hold on the market, I don't even understand why they're going after linux as a 'competator' but hey everyone wants to rule the world right?

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  5. Expect These Facts: by Eberlin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fact: XP runs faster than RH9.0
    Untold: the XP was running on a 3GHz P4 w/ 512MB and the RH9.0 was on a 400MHz P2 with 256MB of RAM

    Fact: MS OS'es have less bugs than Linux
    Untold: Because one bug in SSH counts at least 15 times -- once per distro.

    Fact: MS is more secure than Linux
    Untold: The MS box tested was fully patched, running NO services, was connected to an ISA firewall...and to no other computer. They'll also forget to mention that the machine wasn't turned on.

    Fact-based campaign. Will half-truths be considered facts?

  6. Submitter should RTFA by kylef · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you read the article, Open Source Initiative President Eric Raymond was the one who said that Microsoft's previous strategy was claiming Linux was a "cancer." Taylor never used those words and never suggested that was Microsoft's previous strategy, as the headline suggests.

    All Taylor admits is that previously Microsoft had defaulted to an "emotional" argument, and that now they are switching to a "fact-based" one, whatever that means.

    The only reason I'm correcting the submitter here is that it makes no sense to put words in people's mouth, even if you hate them. It is counter-productive to legitimate debate and argument.

    1. Re:Submitter should RTFA by Vainglorious+Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      Taylor may not have used the word "cancer", but Steve Ballmer certainly did, in an interview with the Chicago Sun-Times, June 2001. Unfortunately, I can't find the otiginal article on the CS-T website, but a quick google for "Ballmer Linux cancer" yields more than 200 hits, of which this is a typical sample.

      Ballmer said, "Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches."

      What was that you were saying about legitimate debate and argument?

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  7. In related news... by Megaslow · · Score: 5, Funny

    Taylor says he plans to focus on (and fund) studies that 'will highlight Microsoft's advantages in areas such as security

    Microsoft announced today that they are laying off a Mr. Marting Taylor, citing the fact that he had no work to do.

  8. Fast Forward, 1 year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Taylor, head of Microsoft Linux Open Source Test Lab, said today 'fact-based studies focusing on areas such as security, feature-completeness and total cost of ownership.' conclusively prove:

    Linux is 'a cancer, un-American and bankrupt', among other things.

    Microsoft: Same cr*p, different way.

  9. TCO by mjake · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gee, I wonder if their TCO study calculations will include the cost of worms and virii(?) that only affect Windows platforms/outlook/IE? Every time a new worm comes along I wonder if people realize the hidden TCO costs that sticking with MS incurs.

  10. Poor, poor Bill... by pjkundert · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "The open source license is not open, because you can't take it and ever use it in a job-creating activity," Gates said.

    Translation:

    "The open source license is not open, becuase you can't take it and ever use it in a job-creating activity at Microsoft "

    One of the best features of open source, is its ability to melt away unnecessary expenditures of money on software not directly related to the business goals or your company. It is inconceivable that any right-headed CIO or CFO would spend penny one on a "Word Processor", for example. The ONLY company that this decision would hurt is Microsoft. A company frees up virtually 100% of their software dollars to hire real, local software developers to develop solutions to their own, personal, business problems.

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    1. Re:Poor, poor Bill... by Soko · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bingo.

      I recently got a development contract with this exact argument.

      My customer is getting a fully tailored, customised solution to thier problem - a solution based totally on open source technologies. (Nice Linux server, PostgresSQL, etc.) To boot, all of that custom work came in at a price significantly less than anyone else who bid for the job. Significantly less.

      I get a very nice paycheck, once it's done. Should be more on the way, too, since I get to re-sell the solution and customise it for other customers. And support contracts if the customer so chooses, will supplement my income, too. (BTW, they don't need to pick me for support, since they have the code, and that code is based on known OSS tools, etc. Certainly makes one pay attention to customer service.)

      Microsoft got squat. Well, this time, anyway. I might need to throw Bill & Co. the odd scrap (if the customer gets new desktop machines, for example, and insists on XP) down the road, but that depends wholly on the customer. They can use Windows if they want, but they sure don't need Windows. Customers seem to like that.

      Soko

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  11. We shouldn't underestimate this... by laird · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know quite a few Microsoft people who are quite knowledgable about Linux and open source software (some of whom contribute to open source projects in their spare time, etc), who are quite capable of rational discussion on the topic of open vs. closed source, and why it's good for customers to use MS products. If MS starts attacking open source software on rational grounds, they certainly have the resources to do so effectively. And in the world of technology, such an approach might be more successful than their emotion-based attacks.

    After all, it's been fairly easy for open source advocates to discredit Microsoft's initial relatively incoherent ramblings; "cancer" and "communism" type name calling did more to discredit MS than their opponents. So while MS' FUD attacks were dangerous because there was a lot of money/press behind them, they were ultimately unproductive.

    If MS can make a solid, businesslike case that MS soutions are better than open source that's likely to carry more weight. Imagine, for example, if there were a credible, objective study that showed that (to make up a hypothetical scenario) the total TCO for Windows 2003 as measured in production is lower than Linux, or the application development costs are lower using Windows and the associated frameworks, that'll at least allow them to retain current corporate customers, and perhaps even go back to growing enterprise marketshare.

    I think that even though MS competing more effectively makes everyone's else's lives harder, ultimately a shift towards civilized debate is good for the industry. In business settings, Open Source must be able to win on objective, pragmatic merits, not just on principles. Winning on both principles and pragmatics makes open source unstoppable. If the competition reveals weak points in the open source arguments, that's _good_ because that means that they can be addressed, and everyone wins.

  12. pushing a boulder up a hill by sacrilicious · · Score: 5, Funny
    Taylor says he plans to focus on (and fund) studies that 'will highlight Microsoft's advantages in areas such as security, feature-completeness and total cost of ownership.'

    And I thought MY job sucked. ;)

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  13. Re:What the heck *is* FUD anyway? by red+floyd · · Score: 5, Informative

    coined by some guy I can't remember

    Gene Amdahl.

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  14. Many Fronts by spruce · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I agree, except I'd expect Microsoft to deal with Linux on a couple of different fronts. I mean, what company out there uses the totally honest approach? Everybody does what is in their power to keep customers.

    Early on they could deal with Linux via FUD (although I'd argue there was a good deal of FUD flung from both sides.) Now they are going to start investigating other methods, heck maybe down the line offer Office for Linux? Who really knows? Would it kill Microsoft to offer a version of Linux, as well as keep the Windows platform if the future requires it? I mean, say Linux grabs 20-30% of the market. Microsoft is extremely big and powerful company with a lot of smart people and could offer a good distribution. So they'd have to decide between their ego and their bank account.

    Microsoft has always been able to deal with changes in the market, and this is one of them. How fast they change depends on adoption of Linux.

    I'd also say the MS platform has been moving along well - .NET, Server 2003 seem to steps in the right direction. Linux probably hasn't hurt this effort.

    Of course, maybe this is all a dream and they'll never touch linux. The future is exciting!

  15. Re:Clippy by SubtleNuance · · Score: 5, Funny

    CLIPPY: There is no escape. Don't make me destroy you. You do not yet
    realize your importance. You have only begun to discover you power.
    Join me and I will complete your training. With our combined strength,
    we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy.

    Martin Taylor: I'll never join you!

    CLIPPY: If you only knew the power of the dark side. Obi-Wan never told
    you what happened to your father.

    Martin Taylor: He told me enough! He told me you killed him.

    CLIPPY: No. I am your father.

    Martin Taylor: No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!

    CLIPPY: Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

    Martin Taylor: No! No! No!

  16. sorry... by jcsehak · · Score: 5, Funny

    He is also the person who discovered Amdahl's law

    Wow, what are the chances of that?

    *ducks*

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