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Sign Language Out Loud

hcetSJ writes "CNN.com has an article about a glove that reads sign language and can translate to spoken English. Although it's only one-handed now, and can only handle about 200 words, the inventor has further plans for a second hand and wider vocabulary. I wonder if this could be linked with the Rosetta Stone idea, to quickly expand the vocabulary. Also mentioned in the article is the possibility of military use...gaming control can't be far off." grvsmth points to a more detailed article on GWU's website.

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  1. heh by Tirel · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder what it says when you're masturbating?

  2. I can see it now... by WildFire42 · · Score: 4, Funny

    /me flips you the bird.
    /me's glove attempts to translate it as "Eagle".
    /me's glove BSOD's.

    Dammit...

  3. not sure how easy this would be... by jfruhlinger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ASL (and other sign languages) aren't just word-for-word translations of Englis (and other spoken languages); they are true languages with their own unique grammar. Any attempt at an on-the-fly translation would, it seems to me, result in a muddle that would make the Babelfish sound like Shakespeare.

    jf

    1. Re:not sure how easy this would be... by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True enough, especially given that interpreting ASL depends on many factors other than hand position (speed, intensity, facial gestures, etc.) Much of that, however, can be communicated effectively even to non-ASL speakers, and serves to enhance a Babelfish-esque translation.

      Just as Babelfish gives me at least a rough idea of what an article in another language says, it would be a substantial boon to an ASL speaker to be able to get at least the gist across to somebody who doesn't speak ASL. And unlike Babelfish, which I only have to use occasionally, most ASL users must communicate with non-deaf speakers essentially every single day.

    2. Re:not sure how easy this would be... by hcetSJ · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's where the Rosetta Stone method could be helpful. A word-for-word translation might be stilted, but by comparing entire sentences, a system might learn that one idiom in one language translates (loosely, at least) to another idiom or phrase in the other.

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    3. Re:not sure how easy this would be... by mattlary · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are different types of Sign Language, even within the United States. For example: the sign language which you see interpreters using is not necessarily the same 'dialect' Deaf people use when talking to eachother. The type which interpreters use is much easier to interpret into English than the ASL that Deaf people use.

      As far as Grammar goes, the grammatical structure of Sign Language is much simpler than that of English and other languages. The biggest grammatical difference would be word order. For example- you may say, "I posted to Slashdot last week". Literally signed, this may be "I Posted slashdot week last".

      In any case, this is a great step towards independence for Deaf people in a hearing world.

    4. Re:not sure how easy this would be... by mph · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The signer may, however, be able to adapt to the limitations of the device, just as I simplify my English when speaking to someone who does not understand the language well.

    5. Re:not sure how easy this would be... by Mr_Icon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder if it would make more sense for them to concentrate on Signed English instead of ASL. It's pushed strongly in schools these days anyway, and it follows the precise grammar and structure of spoken English, vs. ASL, which has its own grammar and relies heavily on facial expressions and spatial relations.

      Many educators feel that ASL creates many problems for young children, who grow up signing in ASL grammar, and then go to school where they effectively have to re-learn their language in order to be able to read and write. If in English the phrase is "My father gave me these books yesterday" the ASL speaker would sign "My father (point at some position, usually to the right) give (from the position where previously pointed towards oneself) book book past day (point to where your spatial "father" is again)".

      Signed English was designed to compensate for this, though the end result is that signing in SE is rather more tedious, as one has to sign out all a-an-the's, prefixes, and suffixes. Among the benefits, though, is that is't much easier to talk and sign in SE than in ASL, since you don't have to concentrate on translating from one grammar to another. This is particularly useful for teachers who have a class of both deaf and hearing children.

      Yes, IAASET (I am a Special Education Teacher. :)).

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    6. Re:not sure how easy this would be... by DenialX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not a chance...For those that use ASL it is not uncommon for new words concepts and images to be created to express an idea. Almost all of the grammer is facial expression and without it the message is completely different. ASL is not mearly about words like english but more like mental pictures capable of expressing thoughts, emotions, and indepth ideas. It truely is its own lanugage. If you had two gloves, and a way to monitor eyes and face movements it might work. Other wise its simply an English Trasnlation. Deaf people in the US use ASL and only sign english when to communicate to those who only know the English signs and don't speak there language.

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  4. Wrong Product by patch-rustem · · Score: 2, Informative

    "I want to produce something that deaf people can use in everyday life," he said.

    Don't get me wrong, mod me down if you want, I'm sure he's tried his best, but isn't this the wrong invention. My experience working with people with impaired hearing is that their speech is fine. It's hearing that they have a problem with.

    A glove that translated other peoples speech into sign language would be much more useful.

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  5. Two decades of VR Gloves, with nothing to show by RobertB-DC · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It seems like the VR glove concept appears over and over again, but never seems to "click". I remember the Nintendo Power Glove from the late '80s - early '90s -- for the original NES. If it had been such a hit with the gaming community, why wasn't there a N64 and GameCube version?

    And outside gaming, the idea comes and just as quickly goes. Here's an article about tele-medicine using VR gloves, where someone at location A pushes on your abdomen and a doctor at location B "feels" whether your spleen is out of joint. The date on the article... July, 2000. Going nowhere.

    And here's a telling statement from the referenced article:
    Although there is more work to be done with the AcceleGlove, Hernandez-Rebollar is not sure if he will have the necessary financial support to continue his research after his dissertation.
    Something is making it darned difficult to bring VR Glove technology to fruition, despite almost two decades of poking around with it.

    What's the "killer app" that will have us all putting on our V-Gloves?
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    1. Re:Two decades of VR Gloves, with nothing to show by divbyzero · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually those old, originally inexpensive Power Gloves now fetch fairly high prices on the used market because they are in such high demand for projects like these, and there is no current off-the-shelf product at the same price point. I ended up having to build my own out of a bicycling glove, some accelerometers, and switches. You're right that they never caught on in the mass market, but they're great for academics and hobbyists.

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  6. Facial Expressions by DarkRecluse · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ASL is as much about facial expressions and body language as it is signing...to leave them out is to confuse the meaning of the sign, often completely. Everything is very emotionally charged.

    I would suggest that more people learn sign, because if nothing else it will help them to become more expressive individuals.

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  7. Old news... by failrate · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember seeing this glove on TV when I was a kid. Back then, all it could do was spell in sign language, so this is a definite step up. As far as *gaming* goes, don't tell me that y'all have forgotten the Nintendo Powerglove!

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  8. minority report by Councilor+Hart · · Score: 2, Interesting
    (I can't find a reference to this. not even on a level 2, instead of the usual level 4 comment level.)

    Perhaps someone might make a new computer interface with it. Something like seen in the movie minority report, staring Tom Cruise.
    Perhaps it already exist, i don't know.
    But I would sure try it. I find it annoying that I always have to switch towards a mouse for certain tasks.
    Hopefully it reduces RSI.
    But as with everything, it depends on the design.

    It can replace keyboard and mouse.
    It can be used in places where you can't talk vs speech control.
    It can replace a touch-screen in certain circumstances.
    It could be used with a pen or a blackboard, provided it can learn your movements when writing and transfer your written words into a digital form.

    Who knows, with nanotech we discards the globe and build it into our hands.
    Ho, well. Your imagination/memory is as good as mine.

  9. Hands are only half of the language... by Garridan · · Score: 3, Informative

    I studied ASL for 2 years... there's a helluva lot more to the language than hands... and much of the language would be impossible to translate with a computer.

    Facial expression is nearly as important as the hands. "should" and "need" are the same sign, with a slight difference in the shape of the mouth. Its like trying to understand somebody who enunciates poorly, speaks in monotone, and doesn't pause between words or sentences...

    A lot of the language relies on physical description... there's no way a computer could interpret a lot of it.

    At best, this will be able to translate "SEE", or Signed Exact English. Not ASL. There's a HUGE difference. ASL is as different from English as sculpture is different from music.

  10. Really old news by Unknown+Kadath · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My parents used to tape a program on public television called Discover: The World of Science, presumably related to the magazine. Peter Graves hosted it, and my folks would stick one of the tapes in the VCR to keep me amused when I was being difficult.

    The format was a series of 15-20 minute pieces on various neat pieces of science, and I distinctly remeber a segement about a "talking glove." It was a mechanical hand on a small stand with a keyboard and Hawking-esque voice synthesizer, and a glove wired with electrodes. When someone typed into the keyboard, the hand would fingerspell whatever was being typed. When a person wearing the glove fingerspelled something, the voice would read it out, a la Mac SimpleText (anyone else get in trouble with that in school when it first came out?) The system had to be trained to recognize someone's fingerspelling. They showed a deaf and blind woman going out shopping with the system, not needing an interpreter.

    Based on the hairstyles I remember from the program and my age at the time, this would have been in the mid to late 80's. I have no way of proving I'm not making this up, of course.

    -Carolyn

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  11. ASL Translator by penguin_bear · · Score: 2, Informative

    American Sign Language also includes hundreds of gestures that express single words and simple sentences, but most require two hands.
    He said the device usually is accurate, though the precision declines with complicated movements; for example, words that start with the same hand movement or orientation.

    Though not an expert on signlanguage by any means, I do remember learning about ASL as a grammatically complete language, i.e. that it was not merely a series of words but used some forms of particles and has a full grammar (strict syntax and temporal expressions) Also, as far as I recall, this slight variation in the complexity of the signing accounts for such important distinctions as time and space as well as who the actor was or whom it concerned. These kinds of kinks would need to be ironed out significantly if emergency information is to be conveyed accurately. However, the AcceleGlove is not a new technology that would simply be useful for deaf people in emergency situations. The ability to communicate through hand gestures could also be used to teach ASL, along with being modified for use in virtual reality, military settings, and in different forms of sign language.

    These ideas are interesting (and better conveyed in the GWU arcile!)

    Maybe I'm just reluctant to believe someone has created a translator for a language when he has merely translated a small set of words. You don't learn to speak (or sign) a language by learning words. As in any language its either inflection or word order that lends meaning (among other things)- how should the meaning of a signed phrase be any more clear just by knowing what the individual words mean...