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IBM Countersues SCO, And More!

mr.crutch writes "Few details are available, but CNet is reporting that IBM has filed counterclaims against SCO. CNet also has an interview with Red Hat CEO Matthew Szulik..." Jizzbug writes "Thanks to the folks of K5, we can all obtain our rights to use the Linux kernel from SCO, and without paying up to SCO's extortion. If kernel.org kernels aren't safe, sco.com kernels certainly ought to be." LWN has a copy of SCO's Linux License for your perusal. Bruce Perens is speaking of the dangers of patent portfolios to open source software, notable because IBM's counterclaims include patent infringement. And finally, a company is selling SCO Check, a tool to de-SCOify your Linux system, if SCO ever presents any evidence whatsoever of infringing code in Linux. Update: 08/08 00:16 GMT by T : SCO's public response to IBM's counterclaim is short and to the point. Among other things, it says "If IBM were serious about addressing the real problems with Linux, it would offer full customer indemnification and move away from the GPL license." Given the other links in this story, perhaps SCO should go first on that count.

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  1. Litigate 'till CSO runs out of money? HAH! by oscast · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering the fact that IBM popularized the practice of litigating a company till they run out of money to fight... it shouldn't take long for this one to end.

  2. Unspecified? by phorm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    BM is seeking unspecified monetary damages and an injunction stopping SCO from shipping its software

    I'm guessing that in the end, this will be a big number, but perhaps IBM will go for a settlement that involves SCO execs, bricks, and deep water.

    Seriously, if anything this whole fiasco is probably as much good publicity for IBM as it is bad to SCO. IBM gets to lay on the smack-down, and they end up looking very much like a hero in the eyes of the linux users/developers.

    1. Re:Unspecified? by anthonyrcalgary · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm guessing that in the end, this will be a big number, but perhaps IBM will go for a settlement that involves SCO execs, bricks, and deep water.

      SCO's been pretty pretty careless with the libel. The damages could add up to a lot.

      Seriously, if anything this whole fiasco is probably as much good publicity for IBM as it is bad to SCO. IBM gets to lay on the smack-down, and they end up looking very much like a hero in the eyes of the linux users/developers.

      IBM has realized that karma whoring is an effective business practice. Good for them.

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  3. It's about time. by Znonymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We can only assume that it took IBM this long to prepare the suit because they wanted to ensure a crushing blow to the SCO extortion ring in one quick sweep.

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    1. Re:It's about time. by harley_frog · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Extorion is a good choice of words. After reading Professor Moglen's paper on SCO's claim, which was posted on Slashdot last week, a well at this article and this one, I think that SCO is using a combination Mafia-like protection tactics and FUD in an effort to force companies and users that don't a warehouse of lawyers to pony up the money rather than using sound business practices to try and save their company. And now with the recent targets of the U.S. Government and TiVo, they may have just bitten off more then they can chew. I would not be at all surprised if the courts find that SCO does not have a case and that charges of extorition are filed at SCO. I just wonder if SCO's actions could fall under the RICO act.

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  4. Claim to be SCO Free by QuackQuack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All Linux distros need to do is place bright yellow sunburst stickers on their packaging claiming to be Guaranteed, 100% free of infringing SCO code, "for your piece of mind".

    SCO really can't dispute that claim without offering proof, and once they offer proof, the distro can issue a patch removing the code from the system, assuming that there really is problem code

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  5. Re:Another article,SCO can't respond to the bitchs by Surak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Before we go "Yay, GO IBM!" realize that IBMs patents are potentially as harmful to Open Source Software as they are to SCO. Fortunately, IBM pays a bit more than lip service to open source at this point, so it's not like they necessarily will use their patent repetoire against OSS, but just keep in mind that they *could*.

    On the other hand, part of my really is saying:

    "FSCK DARL MCBRIDE AND SCO! KICK 'EM WEAR IT COUNTS, IBM!"

  6. This answers the big question by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We've all been wondering if this all was a "legitimate" attempt by SCO to try and get some money or if it was purely a financed FUD campaign, an attempt to muddy the OSS waters and benefit the MS and SUN, the two companies that have actually licensed stuff from SCO.

    The fact that Novell specifically, explicitly forbade SCO from revoking the AIX license, and the fact that SCO ignored this (despite knowing that they were contractually obligated to respect Novell's orders on this issue) shows that there was never an expectation that this would lead to a payout. This is all about the FUD. Case closed.

  7. Glory Hallelujah, finally some good news. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Note the goofy IBM patents. "The patents cover a data compression technique, a method of navigating among program menus using options arranged in a graphical tree, a method for verifying that an electronic message was received and a method for monitoring computing systems linked in a cluster." Of course this is no less goofy than claiming you own RCU, or that somehow IBM would have gotten it out of SCO sources. But most importantly, navigating among program menus using options arranged in a graphical tree? Everyone does that. A method for verifying that an electronic message was received? I think we've seen just about every way of doing that already. Monitoring a cluster? PUH-lease. My point here is that the prophecy has come true. As has been stated previously IBM owns a zillion patents and they don't enforce the obvious ones until someone talks a little shit, then BAM, they lay their shit down on the counter and invite someone to bring up a ruler, and would anyone else like to make a measurement?

    This is the beginning of the end for SCO. You could argue that the end began when they first made their claims, but that was just a prelude. There's no story here, of course; We go right from ONCE UPON A TIME straight to THE END. But somehow we still get a bunch of fun implied drama.

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  8. Re:Big guns by DenOfEarth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    y'know, I never really thought of it this way. IBM has enough stake now in Linux that they are defending the principles it is built on. This is a serious milestone for the open source movement.

  9. Re:Big guns by Knife_Edge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This may be a mixed blessing. When elephants dance, the mice hide.

  10. Re:Multiple Fronts . . . by tuffy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    which means a team of highly paid attorneys will argue the viability of GPL. If this makes it to court, then GPL will have its test.

    If the GPL isn't a viable license (for reasons I cannot fathom, since the copyright holder gets to determine the conditions of its copying), ownership of the code reverts to the original copyright holders. This means SCO would still have no legal right to charge money for the Linux kernel since most (all?) of the code isn't theirs to sell.

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  11. Let's Put SCO Behind Bars by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While the lawsuits being defended by IBM and filed by Red Hat are likely to put an end to The SCO Group's menace to the Free Software community, I don't think simply putting the company out of business is likely to prevent us from being threatened this way again by other companies who are enemies to our community. I feel we need to send a stronger message.

    If we all work together, we can put the executives of the SCO Group in prison where they belong.

    If you live in the U.S., please write a letter to your state Attorney General. If you live elsewhere, please write your national or provincial law enforcement authorities. Please ask that the SCO Group be prosecuted for criminal fraud and extortion.

    It makes me very sad to write this, because I lived in Santa Cruz for fifteen years. Sam Sjogren, a close friend from Caltech, was one of SCO's first programmers, and for a little while my only friend in town after I transferred to UCSC. Many of my best friends used to work for SCO either writing code or doing tech support. I even used to sit in the company hot tub with my friends who worked there from time to time. I used to dance to the music of SCO's company band Deth Specula at parties around the town.

    Before I ever installed my first Linux distro - remember Yggdrasil Plug-n-Play? - I was a happy user of a fully-licensed copy of SCO Open Desktop on my 386.

    You wouldn't think the SCO Group of today is the same company that once had to tell its employees that they shouldn't be naked at work between 9 and 5 because they scared the visiting suits from AT&T. That's because it's not - the SCO Group got its name and intellectual property from SCO through an acquisition. I don't think any of the friends I once knew at the company are likely to still be working there. The SCO Group is in Utah. SCO was originally called The Santa Cruz Operation, a small father-and son consulting firm named for a beautiful small town between the mountains and the ocean in central California. The Santa Cruz Operation was once as much a bunch of freethinking hippies as any Linux hacker of today.

    Yes, it makes me sad. But I digress.

    It seems that SCO is asking a license fee of $699 for each Linux installation. Take a look at SCO's press release announcing the licensing program. That's just the introductory price - if we don't purchase our licenses before October 15, the price will increase to $1399.

    I have three computers that run Linux. That means SCO claims I must pay $2097 today, or $4197 if I wait until after October 15. SCO says their fee applies even to devices running embedded linux, many of which were purchased by their owners for far less than SCO's "license fee".

    My response is that SCO is guilty of criminal fraud and extortion. I didn't violate SCO's copyright or acquire their trade secrets through any illegal means, and it is fraud for them to claim that I did. It is extortion for them to tell me I must pay them money to avoid a lawsuit.

    Even if SCO's claims are true, it is not a violation of their copyright for me to possess a copy of their code. Instead, any copyright infringement was committed by the vendors who supplied me with the Linux distributions I use.

    SCO's license is actually no license at all - if it really is found that the Linux kernel contains any infringing code, the GPL forbids everyone who possesses a copy from using it at all. No one would be allowed to con

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  12. Re:SCO has replied by Darth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We view IBM's counterclaim filing today as an effort to distract attention from its flawed Linux business model

    You gotta love it when a company that has posted multiple million dollar losses for the last 5 years, can't find a market for their product, and admits in it's sec filings that it's current actions will alienate it from it's market and customers says IBM has a flawed business model.

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