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An anonymous reader writes "Extremetech.com reports that: 'Computer scientists from think tank SRI will present a novel take on distributed computing at LinuxWorld, all in a search for a little lost penguin.' For more information on Centibots, head over to the Centibots Project homepage." ReadthePaper writes "I just read a great interview with Jon "Maddog" Hall of Linux International." And finally, Hawkxor writes "Sun Microsystems VP Jonathon Schwartz demoed Sun's new desktop-oriented Linux distro 'Mad Hatter' and 3-D Desktop Environment 'Looking Glass' at LinuxWorld. Sounds pretty cool."

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  1. My experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some guy from SCO held a gun at my head, and said I had to pay $100 to leave the Linux conference. It felt like robbery, but he said it was just licensing. I'm not sure if I believe that.

  2. Typical Sun Quote by Valar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The thing I worry about most with the open source community is the sentiment that open source is somehow different. It isn't," he said.
    Sounds just like the typical Sun opinion about Linux (and open source) in general. They miss the point and focus on the free-as-in-beer part (and therefore focus on producing cheap solutions) instead of the free as in speech part (and cooperate with the developers a little more).

    1. Re:Typical Sun Quote by __past__ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, they don't focus on any kind of "free-as-in-foo" part. They focus on the "good-as-in-reliably-solves-problems" part. Not the most stupid thing to base decisions on, and fortunatly some open source developers also consider that important, even if reading /. often suggests otherwise.

    2. Re:Typical Sun Quote by swordgeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh yeah, Sun and their skewed idea of "free." They came up with crazy ideas like Free-as-in-NFS, and free-as-in-NIS. Evil dirty proprietary bastards!

      Sun wants to sell stuff (hardware and software), make money, and solve problems. They don't give a shit about the proper attitude to hold when approaching Linux--and they SHOULDN'T! There's nothing sacred about it.

      --

      "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
    3. Re:Typical Sun Quote by Valar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because it is important to the open source community that you have the proper attitude. If you take, and use open source software for commercial gains, and ensure that the actual open source versions stay one step behind you are basically stealing. Maybe not legally, but I think, to some extent, morally. You are using the efforts of developers that you do not pay for corporate. Now, that said, Sun does have a pretty decent record, early on, of contribution. However, lately, they are asking more what open source can do for them than what they can do for open source. Yes, this is a perfectly natural thing for a company to do, but we should hardly praise Sun for the idea of taking Linux, adding a couple of proprietary features and then using it on their workstations and desktops, so that they can get free development.

    4. Re:Typical Sun Quote by __past__ · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If you take, and use open source software for commercial gains, and ensure that the actual open source versions stay one step behind you are basically stealing.
      Whoa. And I thought the RIAA was insane. It is stealing if you use software in compliance with the license the authors themselves chose to publish it under?

      However, lately, they are asking more what open source can do for them than what they can do for open source. Yes, this is a perfectly natural thing for a company to do, but we should hardly praise Sun for the idea of taking Linux, adding a couple of proprietary features and then using it on their workstations and desktops, so that they can get free development.
      Not to mention adding a couple of free features that Linux users (and vendors) get for free. You do realize that they contribute heavily to Gnome, for example? Of course they do it in their own interest - the first version of Solaris with pre-installed Gnome was just released a week or two ago. Still, everything that is not Solaris-specific is now part of mainstream Gnome.

      OpenOffice.org isn't exactly a small contribution either. Sure, they are probably quite happy about unpaid contributors that make their proprietary StarOffice better, but I'd say that this is quite a fair deal. And there are also some smaller projects, like XMLroff, an XSL FO formatter that I personally consider very promising.

      So please, take your "proper attitude" elsewhere and don't talk about things you have no idea about.

    5. Re:Typical Sun Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They miss the point and focus on the free-as-in-beer part (and therefore focus on producing cheap solutions) instead of the free as in speech part

      *TWHAP*
      What company recently spend millions to acquire a mature desktop office software suite, and then released the source code open source? What company recently bought into Netscape when it was strapped for cash, on the ropes, and looking like it was MS road kill?

      I am SOOOOO sick of the slashdotters bashing Sun as somehow an evil unix corporation that just "doesn't get it". Lemme tell you. Sun is the one unix company that believe in the social importance of computing ('the network is the computer' was their slogan even before the public understood what the internet was). They give to charities, they sponsor responsible products. Let me also say, linux boy, that it will be a cold day in hell when your little toy OS even comes close to the UNREAL ability of SunOS to stay up under all kinda punishment.

      So go ahead, point to your little anecdotes about Farmer Bob switching from a Sun box to a linux box his counsin put in for him. While you spray your spit about "free as in freedom", there's a company out there that, yes, is earning a profit, and YES, is socially responsible and giving back.

      Disagree with me? Uninstall openoffice. Uninstall mozilla. Get the fuck outa here, leeenux SCO copycat.

    6. Re:Typical Sun Quote by oldmanmtn · · Score: 2, Interesting
      By referring to this as a "typical Sun opinion", it's pretty clear that you came to this with an pre-existing bias. I think you're reading more into this than is really there, and you're the one who is missing the point.

      I think the point he is trying to make is that in the end, software is all just bits on a disk. There is nothing about the development process that makes open source software magically better. Good software always takes hard work, thorough testing, and talented developers.

      It's pretty clear (to me at least) that he is really talking about the typical customer or end user - not a developer. For somebody who is looking to roll out 1000 "Mad Hatter" desktops to secretaries and/or phone support people, the "free beer" aspect is more important than the "free speech" aspect. This isn't an environment where they are going to be upgrading the OS, applications, or windowing system with the latest tinderbox bits every night. They want something that works well and doesn't cost too much. They don't care whether it was developed by a corporate engineering team, an open source project, or an infinite number of monkeys.

      --
      - Old Man of the Mountain ---- "I want to disturb my neighbor"
  3. Instead of searching for the penguin... by corebreech · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...they should have programmed the bots to go looking for all that SCO-infringing kernel code.

    Or beer.

    (did I spell that right?)

  4. Misleading story by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 4, Funny

    I clicked on the link, fully expecting to see robot centipedes. After all, it's called "Centibots", so what else could it be, right ? My excitement piqued when I saw the title: "Linux Powered Robot Swarm Descends on LinuxWorld". Excellent! Not just a single centipede robot, but a whole swarm of them, attacking LinuxWorld! Imagine my disappointment when I learned that these were not killer Linux centipede robots, but a rather ordinary swarm of peaceful robots, powered by Linux. Oh well, I guess that's pretty cool too.

    --

    In Soviet America the banks rob you!
  5. Awards speech by Faust7 · · Score: 2, Funny

    to explore and map an area that is inaccessible to human, such as a building full of toxic gas or smoke.

    "Thanks to the efforts of these robots, we now know that this building we couldn't enter due to its being filled with toxic gas does contain chemical weapons. And we've found that this other building we couldn't enter due to smoke is indeed on fire and has people inside; once the fire's died down, we'll know exactly where to go to get them out."

  6. Mad Hatter = Red Hat Distribution by MikeD83 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sun has maintained an air of mystery about what specific Linux distribution will form the basis of Mad Hatter, and yesterday Schwartz declined to name the distribution that his demonstration was based on,

    Let me take the aura of mystery away- it's obviously based on Red Hat. If it wasn't I'm sure Red Hat would take serious issue in the product name.

    1. Re:Mad Hatter = Red Hat Distribution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      posting as AC to preserve my job

      it's SuSE for the desktop & Red Hat for the servers.

      Sun is being smart & not getting locked in to one distro.

      IIRC that strategy is serving IBM fairly well

  7. Microsoft Booth Fun by mishan · · Score: 5, Funny

    One fun thing that happened at LinuxWorld was this guy who decided to put up a Penguin Computing poster on Microsoft's booth without them knowing it. He walked over the booth with me behind him as camera-man and talked with the lady there for a while and I, myself, didn't even notice that he had put up the poster! See a close-up and the full metal jacket.

    1. Re:Microsoft Booth Fun by strider3700 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is funny, however I'm wondering what microsoft was doing there? Are they using or at least working with linux these days or was this just another chance to spread FUD?

  8. Re:Base Linux Distro? by The+Phantom+Buffalo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I googled for "Looking glass desktop" and the first result was "Install New Icons in Caldera's Looking Glass Desktop. Coincidence or not?

  9. A visitor's wrapup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oracle promoted their "Unbreakable Linux Pavilion". I considered trying to break it but figured Moscone Center security wouldn't like that, so I just sat down for a speech. As the guy was talking, one of the signs fell off the podium.

    One booth (it might have been Computer Associates) needed a "grammar checker" that could remove "extraneous" quotation "marks".

    Microsoft had a medium sized pavilion. Even with how crowded the place was, most people avoided it like the plague.

    Novell is porting its products to Linux. This is the probably the most important development going on in the entire computer industry right now. Novell's administration tools are generally considered top-notch but nobody uses them because nobody wants to learn Novell's OS when they can use other tools available on familiar Windows or Sun. Novell is porting its client-side tools as well. They have a cross-platform Groupwise client in beta right now. For many organizations that stuck with Novell, Groupwise has been a killer app preventing desktop Linux deployment. With Novell filling the gaps of groupware and LDAP network administration, Linux becomes more suitable for the business desktop. Still, Novell has to learn to undercut Windows's price for equivalent functionality. One of the big reasons NT caught on was because it was cheaper than Novell.

    Genaware is the only company I've seen so far offering GIS products for Linux. Unfortunately, the screenshots they had make their products look ugly as hell, and I can't tell if you can actually edit GIS data with them or just display it. They didn't have any leaflets, but gave me a demo disk that they had hidden under the counter.

    Most of the displays were directed towards IT directors and engineers. There was very little there for desktop users. The KDE booth promoted Kolf, which kicks ass. There is a Knoppix for Kids distro which I haven't tried out yet. There is also a Knoppix DVD which includes more programs than the CD distro.

    The Zynot Foundation (the Gentoo fork) was totally unprepared. They bought themselves a booth and didn't know what to do with it, so you basically had two guys sitting in the back of the booth playing with their laptops while people would intermittently come by and ask "Who are you?".

    There was nothing from VA/OSDN/Sourceforge/Slashdot. I don't think CmdrTaco and crew even made it. I miss the old "relax and have fun" party-like attitude at previous conventions where Slashdot would be showing anime and you could deathmath other attendees at the Red Hat booth. A little of that stayed on in the Gentoo booth, which was showing off an RPG and the most crudely drawn anime I have ever seen (it looked like those Conan O'Brien sketches where he takes a picture of a celebrity and makes the mouth move). The booth was in an aisleway, though, so you couldn't actually sit down to watch the movie or play the game.

    Copyleft did have two rest areas with their Penelope Penguin cartoons. In one of them, Penelope asks "where is Brian Aker when you need him?" Who the hell is Brian Aker, I thought. Turn the corner, see a nerdish fellow with long hair, look at his nametag: "Brian Aker / MySQL Developer". That answers that question. As far as other celebrities go, Bruce Perens was there but I didn't see anyone else whose name I was familiar with.

    Now I have this big pile of propaganda on the kitchen table to go through and read.

  10. Re:Looking Glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a photo on http://www.gulker.com/ If you scroll halfway down.

    click here

  11. SuSE rocks by fo0bar · · Score: 4, Funny

    SuSE happened to have their area right next to Microsoft's. I attended a presentation for Openexchange (SuSE's answer to Microsoft Exchange). The presenter would occasionally say things like "and later I'll explain how Openexchange saves you money over SOME OTHER GROUPWARE PRODUCT WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS", while staring at the Microsoft guys.

    In the end I received a Geeko plush toy and a copy of their boxed professional desktop product. Yaaa swag.