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Where Can You Buy Cheap, Tiny Motherboards?
Adam Ernst asks: "I'm trying to build a low-end tablet PC type device for giving tests to students in a classroom. The touch screen TFT wasn't hard to get and the WiFi shouldn't be too hard either, but the most difficult part has been finding a motherboard! I tried Via's Mini-ITX, but it was too tall at about 1.5 inches. The motherboard needs to be just three quarters of an inch tall; the length and width can't exceed 8 inches each, but the smaller the better. No fans allowed--this has to be silent. The -only- requirements feature-wise are that it is able to connect to a TFT-LCD, has either USB, CompactFlash, or PCMCIA for WiFi, and has enough power to run Red Hat or SuSE (the only Linuxes my IDE supports). No ports, no ethernet, not even sound. Preferably it would take straight power (just one wire in and one out, at some set voltage) so I don't have to mess with power circuits. Of course, the most important factor of all is cost, since it's for schools (preferably less than $100 in small quantities ~90 units)."
Check out this site:
http://www.soekris.com/
They could probably build you a board, though it will not be less than $100.
Good luck.. I am looking for a similar board though I need 4 serial ports on mine.
The smallest motherboards I know about are the PC104 solutions.
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http://www.advantech.com/products/sub_category.
http://www.bwi.com/
Also, I have various manufacturers of small form factor PCs that might be worth looking into (last ditch effort, ask where they get parts, or glue the lcd to one of them):
http://www.iwillusa.com/products/ProductDetail.
http://www.norhtec.com/products/index.h
http://www.openbrick.org/
http://www.littlep
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You can either find yourself a damaged laptop off ebay and strip the parts out of it that you need or you can get yourself a soekris board - downside of those are that it's going to cost about $150 each... Good luck.
Hold on... You'll be giving tests to kids on these and you're equipping them with Wi-Fi? That's just asking for cheating... What kind of test are you giving? Chances are, you could give it without the need for Wi-Fi, and probably without the need for a computer (also the cheapest solution)...
Sorry, I don't have a web address for them, but I know they have exactly what you're looking for - cheap, thin, low power, no ports, and is very flexible in terms of what you can do with it. I think they called it "Paper".
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I'm not anti-social. Just pro-technology.
Just using using a scantron?
The only computing device less than $100 today with a screen is a used Palm.
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Google has some interesting summary of educational computers:
http://members.aol.com/KMyersPsion/ed
Netpliance used to have a product called iopener, which was essentially a small PC with an LCD display and a flash disk. CPU is usually an IDT Pentium clone at around 180-200MHz. It comes with USB ports and uses an external DC power supply. It sounds like it could fit the bill fairly well.
If you're lucky you might be able to find enough of these used to build your project around them, at least if it's a limited batch of 20-30 units. They usually sell in the $50-$80 range on eBay and surplus stores.
You could consider the Zenith Cruisepad, which is a pen-based thin-client tablet from 1995. You can buy them individually for $27 or 100 at a time for $1500. They use Citrix metaframe technology to display a remote computer's screen on the LCD. It works just like remote desktop because it IS remote desktop. I believe they can be made to work with Windows Terminal Services in W2K Server. Alternatively, since you're talking hardware anyway, you could hack them and add your own software into the flash, using the wireless network just for lightweight communications. They use Proxim RangeLAN 2 wireless technology. I've even managed to get them talking to my Proxim HRF card with the (original ancient DOS-based) terminal server running inside Windows XP Pro on a Dell notebook. Only happened once and after a lot of fiddling, and I never had the patience to find out again what exactly I did that time, but it obviously DOES work.
Anyway, just another (cheap) choice. I've got two of these and find them quite interesting.
Like a previous poster mentioned, the only way you're going to find a device for around $100 is by buying bulk, used PDAs from eBay and they're still not going to do what you want them to. Hell, the PJRC costs $150 alone, and it's only an MP3 board.
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I would start looking into (single board computers) SBCs or PC104 solutions. Some of the most common and easily available are made by Advantech.
I would also start checking out wearable computing sites and lists. The list to read is wear-hard.
These are basically iPAQs with no case or display. I've no idea if they'll be able to meet your price range, but it can't hurt to ask: http://www.applieddata.net
Ive been researching on these for a while, to build small embedded-sized PC systems for schools in Pakistan and Afghanistan. My aim was actually lower, to use 320x200 2-bit LCD screens ($20 or $10), cheap keyboards from chinese companies and one ethernet, while booting and running off compactflash with 32 MB ram using either Windows CE or qtopia on Linux.
Check out the SOC that is SiS 550. Its one chip that has the whole mobo on it and you only need to add IDE, TFT and RAM. In alrge quantities it was around $50, so you can do that under $100 but not in ~90 quantities.
Dont even consider PC104. Gathering used PCs is a lot cheaper, even basic taiwanese ECS-type mobos are cheaper there. Dont worry too much about fan and size for schools, else the price shoots up.
If youre into building embedded systems that can run Linux and uses tiny-X, you're in my league. I'm aiming for ~$50 for large quantities in low res LCDs using ARM MCUs. The cheapest Ive come across are ARM7TDMI MCUs designed for printers by samsung (~$7 each) but the ideal was cirrus logic (~$20) and includes ethernet and is quite fast.
For flash use Intel boot block. Others are expensive and low performance. Should really use compactflash since that will help change programs/OSes in the final product. Currently I'm seeking lowcost keyboard and mouse manufacturers in eastern countries and their quotes in ~1000 quantities. It should be possible they could use my autocad designs in which case I could really build a customized system.
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Mini-ITX motherboards are small and quite decent. Not as small as some of the PC104 solutions, but pretty small.
I believe the low-end ones are a little above $100 including CPU. A small Flex-ATX power supply runs $40. Smaller solutions (DC/DC power supplies plus 12V wallwart) run $70ish.
http://www.mini-itx.com/ has lots of Mini-ITX projects and info.
http://www.idot.com/ is a good place to get Mini-ITX goodies in the U.S.
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3.8x2.5 board, free (Windows) software, three boards for $62 (ready to drop chips on).