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RedHat Starts "Open Source Now" Fund

celston23 writes "According to this article (near bottom), RedHat is intending to use their Open Source Now Fund to support open-source (GPL) developers who are sued for copyright infringement. Might be used during the SCO legal battle."

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  1. Has been mentioned before by ldm · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is awfully familiar, don't you think? (again, near the bottom)

  2. Unfortunate but needed by Kethinov · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Open Source's greatest feature and worst flaw is that it's free and open. Because there's next to no profit in it, software authors have next to no protection from getting sued. So in order to protect things like Linux from SCO, there needs to be some kind of a fund like this. Again, unfortunate but true.

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    1. Re:Unfortunate but needed by Ian+Wolf · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sorry, having worked as a paralegal for three years, "An understanding of the law, a stack of envelopes, and occasionally plane fare are more than enough" is rarely enough.

      As a defendant you *MUST* pay the costs of a stenographer for any depositions and you can rarely get a witness in without them being properly deposed. Also, expert witnesses are rarely free. You normally have to pay for those. Then there is the cost of multiple plane tickets, if the trial is out of your area. Plus board, meals, etc. Then there are the amount of money you spend at Kinko's. Its downright amazing how many hundreds or thousands of dollars you can spend just on making copies of briefs, depositions, and interrogatories which you MUST pay yourself. There are many hidden costs involved in even a minor case.

      The delays, the frivilous filings, the mountains of paperwork, hyperbole, press leaks, etc. That is what you are actually paying a lawyer for these days.

      That's like saying I only pay my sysadmin to backup some files, reset my password, post on slashdot, and forget to apply patches. hmmm... Then again, I guess some places do pay their sysadmins to do just that.

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  3. OSN???? by Cranst0n · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why not just call it...

    Save Open Source (SOS)?

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  4. Re:That's nice of them... by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    who keeps the interest earned from the fund?

    Does it matter? Red Hat is sticking their neck out into a multi billion dollar lawsuit in the interest of their primary product (which is also a community of developers primary product) that substantial risk is very worthwhile additionally, they are using their clout and name recognition to attract donors. The use of corporate resources, image etc... is a service that even CHARITABLE organizations compensate.

  5. Mixed feelings. by stephenry · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Though it's great that somebody is willing to step up and offer legal protection to Linux, the kind that Microsoft are readily willing for the lack thereof. How will this help?

    Take a look at SCO. For the last couple of months they have been spouting nonsense, slander and let's be honest FUD. In fact, in the face of the current IBM countersuit, they have the gall (read: stupidity) to launch another claim.

    Now, all this is quite illegal, as IBM's lawyers have pointed out, but has it stopped SCO? No, not until 2005, at least. Until that time, SCO can say and do as it more-or-less pleases, until an injunction anyways. They will nodoubt reep the rewards for there behaviour, but that doesn't stop the damage they're causing in the meantime, until the courts get around to dealing with it.

    Reason, let alone a cadre of Open Source Funded lawyers won't stop SCO. That's just the way it is.

  6. Re:EFF? by Gherald · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is this necessary when we have the EFF?

    The EFF is much more broad.

    RedHat is only concerned with Linux and the GPL, plus they want the publicity.

  7. Is Linux still free? by Sean80 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Maybe I'll be flamebaited again for this.

    You know, back in the day, when I first came to Slashdot, Open Source was all about the free, wild and woolly creation of software, about freedom from The Man, and doing stuff because it was a Nerd Mountain and by goddamn we were going to climb it. I'm never sure if I should be happy or sad that companies such as Red Hat and Oracle are essentially hijacking the popularity of Linux. At the end of the day, is it about being on everybody's desktop or server, or is it about having written good code without a boss? Coding just for the sake of coding, fixing problems without having to beg marketing to let you do it.

    What do I say this? Well, I just can't bring myself to believe that Red Hat has the interests of the greater community at heart here. In my view, they are simply trying to protect their revenue stream. Without companies turning to Open Source, they simply don't have any customers.

    Maybe that's obvious, but I think amongst all of the support that this fund will have, it's at least good to have it said.

    1. Re:Is Linux still free? by GoofyBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Interesting point. I think it comes down to that different people will use Linux for their own purposes. You (I am assuming) want it to make really neat code that does something worthwhile/meaningful. I want it as a good platform to run Java code or a server.

      Once it gets into the hands of companies, they are going to have this legal/political/money crap Not that there is anything wrong with that, its just this is how they work.

      Just as long as Linux is freely available, open and people can get their hands deep into its ugly belly, just ignore all of this crap. Just as you would ignore how anyone else uses Linux for writing Java code or running servers.

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  8. Re:That's nice of them... by Chicane-UK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My god.. why the hell is it that no matter what kind of offer people make into the Open Source community, there has to be some nit-picking whiner trying to crap on the parade, or pick holes in it.

    Put a sock in it.

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  9. Re:That's nice of them... by jhigh · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lest we forget that ANYONE who makes ANY money off of ANYTHING must be evil and their motives must be solely to continue to make more money.

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  10. SCO, eh? by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 5, Funny
    It looks like this Open Source Now fund is getting more important every day:
    For immediate release:

    Smoking Crack Operation (NASCRACK: SCO) announced legal action against Microsoft Corporation for violating SCO intellectual property. The lawsuit comes on the heels of legal action targeting IBM, all the Fortune 500 companies, the governments of two world superpowers and six third world nations, millions of computer users worldwide, and God.

    "Microsoft is using underground hacker software called Linux," said SCO CEO Darl McBluff. "They are using Linux to develop operating system software, codenamed Microsoft Windows, which violates our intellectual property rights. Competition from Microsoft and other companies is eating away at our sales," McBluff said. "Die fuckers!!!"

    According to an SCO spokesperson, Linux violates SCO copyrights by using code developed, trademarked, copyrighted and patented by IBM. Microsoft Windows violates SCO's self-proclaimed right to eternal, perpetually increasing profits.

    Experts from the Gartner Group suggested that all users of Linux, Windows, IRIX, Plan-9, CP/M, Palm OS, OS/390, UNICOS, TOPS-20, Mac OS, DOS and OS/2 immediately pay SCO a nominal licensing fee of $699 for each instance of every process that executes on these operating systems, retroactive to 1960. SCO is offering a special accounting package to compute the daily licensing payment requirements and offers convenient financing options. "We suggest you pay up," McBluff said, commenting on the Gartner report, "or we will break your legs and burn down your homes and businesses."

    (I know we're only joking, but with SCO, it could happen!)
  11. How can anyone say this is NOT a good thing? by bailout911 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Redhat doesn't HAVE to do this, and I'll wager it doesn't put "money in their pocket" as so many Redhat bashers seem to be obessed with mentioning. It's good PR, yes, but it's also good for the community.

    Redhat makes IMHO the BEST out-of-the box distro. You want something that just works (tm)? 95% of the time, you're talking about Redhat. Is it perfect? No, not by a long shot, but it amazes me the sheer number of people who attack Redhat just because they are the market leader. Remember kids, if it's popular, it must be crap!

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  12. In a related development by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a related development, SCO has filed separae lawsuits against the government of Turkey and the Vienna Boys Choir for having employed eunuchs in the past.

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  13. ahem by asv108 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The FSF, will say it should be SFS (Save Free Software), but you can use your orginal name as long as you put a GNU/ in front of it.

  14. This isn't news by pjack76 · · Score: 5, Informative
    This isn't news. There's no new info in the eetimes article, and that page at RedHat never contained information about the fund itself. The "Open Source Now" page is just an advocacy group apparently devoted to spotting laws that would prevent adoption of open source in government etc.

    This seems different (though related) to the "Open Source Now Fund", which would specifically target legal threats against Linux and related things, like the FSF does for GNU.

    I haven't been able to find any info on how to contribute to the fund. I spoke with many Red Hat people at Linux World about it, and they didn't know. I sent an email to opensourcenow@redhat.com, and they never replied. I've also been talking with Red Hat salesmen for the past week or two trying to put together a proposal, and they don't know either.

    What's the hold up Red Hat? TAKE MY MONEY DAMMIT.

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