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Microsoft, OD2 Start European Music Service

useosx writes "Reuters is reporting that 'Microsoft Corp. announced on Thursday a pact with Europe's biggest digital music outfit, OD2, to form the continent's first major a la carte online download service. ... The move marks the first time European consumers can purchase song downloads off the Internet for under one euro ($1.13), and without requiring a monthly subscription, bringing the fee in line with the popular Apple Computer iTunes service, which is not yet available in Europe.'" Other stories: the Guardian, BBC.

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  1. Huh? by tds67 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Fans can copy tracks, burn them to CDs and transfer them to other devices as much as they want "within reason", he added.

    And what, pray tell, would be "unreasonable"?

    1. Re:Huh? by gerf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fans can copy tracks, burn them to CDs and transfer them to other devices as much as they want "within reason", he added.

      Obviosly, "within reason" is as little as they can get you to agree to, without damaging sales a heckuva lot.

      They really don't specify about restrictions in these articles. Which is unfortunate, because that's what people really need to look at. Isn't it the big companies (MS, *AAs, SCO) that are telling us more and more to watch what we're doing with copywrights, to stay 'legal?' More info needed please!

      Oh, and i hope this doesn't work, as i don't seeing Media Player having some property that implies to the general populace that it is better in some proprietary way.

    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And what, pray tell, would be "unreasonable"?

      Let's see this point by point:

      • Fans can copy tracks
        from one directory to another on the same computer
      • burn them to CDs
        in WM9 format with DRM provisions enabling the music to be played only on the computer where CD was created, or potentialy on some undisclosed future devices with embedded WM9 with latest extensions that allow them to play the music obtained in this way
      • transfer them to other devices
        as long as they are Windows based devices (smartphones & PDAs), excluding any current ones, as this service required Microsoft to create new subvariant of its own proprietary formats
      • as much as they want "within reason"
        meaning simply that you can and will be prosecuted if you do aything that might even hint at providing more flexibility (Linux/*BSD players, regular audio CDs, DRM removal, conversion to MP3 for "unsupported" devices) that does not go along the way of their own vision of the future.

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  2. I hate to say it.. by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I think they'll make buckets of money; it requires Windows Media Player 9 which has a much larger user base than that of the Mac and the Apple player which is getting half a million song downloads a week.

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    1. Re:I hate to say it.. by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Sure, they'll use it, just like Buy Music does. And more than likely, they'll re-create Buymusic's spectacular LACK of success, too.

      It's not enough to beat consumers into legal downloads with a stick. Unless there are positive reasons to switch to legal downloads, people won't do it.

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    2. Re:I hate to say it.. by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and there wasn't any BS DRM making them unusable

      And there is the fundamental difference between iTMS and all other major label efforts to date. Simple, consistent, non-invasive DRM. I strongly doubt that the creators of Palladium have the same DRM in mind that Apple uses.
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  3. Still nothing for non-MS Europeans then... by Alkarismi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    British FreeBSD & Linux user here.
    Even though we Europeans seem to be pulling ahead in Open Source deployments we still can't get a music store that doesn't lock people further into Windows... shame!

  4. windows media 9 by mansoft · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It will be a good business for them only if they have half the benefits Apple had with its music store.

    However, according to Reuters, it is for "music fans with Microsoft's Windows Media Player version 9", which I personally find restrictive. Maybe a more popular format such as MP3 would have been better.

    Mr. Jobs! Where's my music store here in Europe, please?

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  5. No more albums only singles by capt.Hij · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With this new emphasis on singles I wonder if artists will be motivated to put together whole albums. Many of my favorite songs are the the ones that did not get much air play but were found on albums that had a hit or two on them. I hope that artists do not become driven to work on "hits" and ignore the practice of making the songs that they themselves enjoy. The practice of producing collections may become rare which would be bad for music.

    1. Re:No more albums only singles by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a reaction to the market. I havn't really seen singles for sale since the early 80s or so, the only way to recently get singles was in mp3 format. Look at ppls mp3 collections (that they download, not rip from their own collections), I doubt that they have more than 1 complete album.

      Also, I'm pleased that you used the word "album". Many people (read marketing ppl) mistake the word "album" for "CD". A CD is a piece of plastic and aluminum, an album is a collection of songs, much like a photo album is a collection of pictures.

    2. Re:No more albums only singles by cheesekeeper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For the Clearchannel slave bands, I don't see any change. They are already incredibly hit-driven. Without a hit, they don't get Clearchannel airtime, they don't get an MTV TRL video, and they don't go double-plus-platinum with their CD sales. I would argue that for these mass market pop groups, one of the chief reasons they actually bother to make an entire album is because no one would pay $18 for a CD with four tracks. Even if the other ten tracks are filler, it makes it an easier sell.

      By-track sales may reduce album creation by these bands. Good riddance, I say.

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    3. Re:No more albums only singles by Pendersempai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I hope that artists do not become driven to work on "hits" and ignore the practice of making the songs that they themselves enjoy.

      One alternate view: With the rise of singles and the fall of the album, I can be completely sure that I enjoy every single track I purchase. I couldn't give two hoots what the artist likes; it's my money.

      I'd say this is the more egalitarian, meritocratic method of economic survival of the fittest.

    4. Re:No more albums only singles by NaugaHunter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hope that artists do not become driven to work on "hits" and ignore the practice of making the songs that they themselves enjoy.

      Umm... that happened over 20 years ago. A good song that brings this out is The Entertainer by Billy Joel: "It was a beautiful song/but it ran to long/if you're going to have a hit/ya gotta make it fit/so they cut it down to 3:05". (I think he was referring to The Pianoman; the 45 was missing at least one verse.) Or a good biography of Pink Floyd will cover they're fights with labels over releasing singles - the didn't particularly want to release any, as Roger Waters viewed the albums as single pieces and view it analogous to releasing individual chapters from books. Their song Have A Cigar is a good analysis of their working relationship with their label - "The band is just fantastic/that is really what I think/Oh by the way/Which one is Pink?" (For those that don't know, Syd Barret chose the name from combining Georgia blues musicians Pinkney "Pink" Anderson and Floyd Council.)

      Historically, record companies have released singles only as a means to move higher-margin albums. A big part of the planning of an album was the ordering so that people would listen to other than the 'best' two songs. The advent of CDs reduced the relavency of the order, since people could reorder them willy-nilly.

      I think artists that are capable of putting out an albums worth of good material will still do so, and fans will buy the whole set (especially through iTunes simpler purchase method of mostly $9.90 or .99 a track if fewer than 10). Pop artists that can't will still produce singles BUT the people who will only buy the single but not an album may make up the difference; e.g. if 10 people buy the single as opposed to 1 person buying the album, the bottom line works itself out.

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  6. Whoa Microsoft is copying Apple... by chrisgeleven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...oh whoops, the DRM is only 100 times more restrictive and whoops, the WMA quality is worse then AAC. Kind of reminds me of the difference between OS X and Windows XP.

  7. Once again - good enough by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's not kid ourselves: for all of Microsoft's talk of "innovation", the one thing they're really good at is seeing another idea that works, making their own version of it, then making it "good enough" that their desktop monopoly can make money off of it.

    So, let's take a look at their new music service:

    Media Type: Windows Media Audio 9.

    The Good: No big surprise, and depending on who you ask, it sounds better than MP3's at the same format. Anybody with either a new computer or someone who upgrades to Windows Media Player 9 should have it work just fine.

    The Bad: Nobody but a Windows user can use it. But since the other big competitor Apple only lets it work with Macs, that means that a 4% user base is now hitting against a 90% user base - so it's all balanced in the end, I guess. Apple should have their service in Windows at the end of this year, and Windows Media Player 9 should be available "someday" for OS X, so then we can compare apples to apples (no pun intended).

    Depending on who you ask, Apple's use of AAC isn't really a full open standard, since they've got the security hooks inside - but it's a far more open standard than WMA (Windows Media Audio). Any chance we'll see either one on Linux? Anyone? Guys?

    The License:

    The Good: No subscription fee, which I think is the #1 draw of the new music formats. Most of the songs are around 0.99 euros, which comes out to be $1.15 or so per track. And you can copy some to your portable players or burn CD tracks with them.

    The Bad: So far, this is where Apple's service is kicking the other two's services right in the Jimmy. Apple's system is cut and dried: Every song, up to 3 computers, unlimited iPods, unlimited CD burns.

    With Buymusic.com and Microsoft's service - it depends on the song. Maybe you can put it in a portable, maybe not. Maybe you can burn it, maybe not. So that means before you buy each song you'll have to either say "Well, I will only play these songs on this computer forever!", or say "Hm - let's see what the license is before I make my Ultimate Dance Track for the Anime Pool Party this Saturday.".

    It's something the "average joe" won't care about - until one day, they go to do something, and don't understand why Song A can be copied/burned, but Song B can not. Will Apple use this in their marketing? Who knows - and odds are, people won't think enough to care.

    The Selection:

    The Good: 200,000 songs to start off with.

    The Bad: No clue - I haven't seen the line up.

    Final score:

    Undecided. Microsoft's new music service looks more like BuyMusic.com's, only it's in Europe. Same media format, same licensing structure - only it's going to be inside the Windows Media Player and not just a web page for downloading.

    Odds are, Apple's service will still be better with the "one license for every track" rule. But as history has shown, Micorosoft does not necessarily have to be "better" than the competition - usually "good enough" will do to make them money.

    Either way, if Apple wants to get the bucks before competitor #1 eats the market, it needs to get its ass moving on its Windows service and those deals in Europe.

  8. European investigation into Media Player by Lochin+Rabbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone still wondering why MS is under investigation in Europe for using Media Player to extend their monopoly now has their answer. The recording cartel and the OS monopolists have got together to tie up the market for downloadable singles. The result overpriced tracks, low quality, DRM and no choice.

  9. But I don't think they'll have the same success... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think they'll make buckets of money; it requires Windows Media Player 9 which has a much larger user base than that of the Mac and the Apple player which is getting half a million song downloads a week.

    Apple has good karma when it comes to music, like their "Rip, Mix, Burn" slogan, and people in some sense trust them not to be unreasonable. With Windows, I don't know of anyone that has the same attitude.

    Another point is that Apple users very often have the Apple Ipod, while Windows users have pretty much everything, much of which probably doesn't support the DRM too well, if WMA at all.

    I'll definately consider the Apple iTMS when it comes to Windows. But this service? Sorry, but I don't feel like having Microsoft control my digital rights (after the purchase, oh wait, the licencing), I don't trust them to. Isn't that what this "Trusted computing" is all about? Trust them? Ain't going to happen.

    Kjella

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  10. Re:Three point singles pricing by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1, Insightful
    "I guess the whole "one price for all singles, including pre-release and exclusives" was a bit too complicated for them to try and replicate."

    No, they just want to milk people for more money. They start with the price high and give it early, and only the trendsetters buy it, albeit at the inflated price, then they bring it down to the regular price, and the masses buy it. Thats what many companies do.

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  11. Re:Piracy in Europe by MaestroSartori · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I work in the games industry, and am fairly active in the warez scene (I like to see when games I work on make it to IRC/ftp servers). I also live in Europe...

    Almost all of the biggest and best warez groups are from Europe, but most of the sources for downloads are in the USA. This has been the case for many years, and doesn't really seem to have changed much since the widespread availability of broadband in Europe.

    For what its worth, the quickest a game I've worked on has been released was about 4 weeks before it went gold (leaked by someone who works for the publisher, we had unique IDs in the builds :)

  12. Good Artists by phloydphreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good artists are not motivated by album sales but by some internalization of the music they are creating. Great artists will never stop making the music they desire to have heard (and hear themselves). The real question is whether they will ever be heard (or worse; have the motivation to share the music with others).

    The major problem posed to the artist in this situation is his/her inability to be included on whatever listings that are distributed (which is similar to any major recording industry). The major difference between the RI and this situation is the lack of competition (why get new music?).

    ...And it is being headed by M$. :->

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  13. Re:Sounds like a good idea... by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    That's the whole problem. It is illegal to just "download it for free".

    It's also illegal to jay walk, speed, and smoke marijuana, but you can see how well we've conquered those horrible offenses. Frankly anyone that wants to download music is already doing it and I don't see the recording companies declaring bankruptcy do you? Even if they lost 50% of their income they'd still be making billions in profits. Clearly many people buy CDs whether they can get the songs free or not, so why can't both co-exist? Leave P2P networks alone, let the kids share their music, and keep raking in your billions of dollars and STFU.

  14. Re:Apple zealots won't use it by noewun · · Score: 3, Insightful
    As for iTMS on Windows, why Apple would do it?

    To make obscene amounts of money.

    Apple has announced a Windows version of iTunes, and thus the iTMS, will be available by the end of the year. I believe someone even posted the ad seeking programmers for the project here.

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