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Power Outages Strike East Coast

fordp writes "CNN, CNBC and others are reporting that major power outages are happening just after 4:00PM EDT in New York, New Jersey, Detroit, Ottawa and Toronto, Toledo." There are reports of a Con Edison transformer on fire on 14th Street in NYC, and lots of people stuck in trains and elevators. CNN is reporting that it is, according to power officials, most likely not related to terrorism, because you know you were wondering. The Niagra Mohawk power grid is overloaded, which feeds electricity throughout the northeast U.S. and into Canada. Update: 08/14 21:06 GMT by P : The mayor said there was no fire, that it was black smoke brought on by an automatic shutdown because of the power grid failure.

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  1. Manhattan by Latent+IT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm in Manhattan right now, near Colombus Circle. All power is out across all 5 boros. No traffic lights, hundreds of thousands trapped in the subway... I'm dialed in through Verizon (wow. good network, right?) on a laptop, through a PBX with a battery backup.

    According to the radio, the 14th street power station is burning. Of course, it also is talking about blackouts from Cleveland to Toronto. With no power, my poor tropical fish have less than a few hours to live, and I already hear a crowd in the street screaming, but it's mostly good natured right now.

    I'm sorry, this seems like sabotage. I've got 100 gallons of fresh water, and a sword.

    And I'm posting on slashdot.

    Oh well. I guess I just wanted to say hello. =p

    1. Re:Manhattan by Latent+IT · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Follow up: As I'm sure everyone else is posting, it Bloomberg says that the smoke from the 14th street power station is from a shutdown procedure, that I could completely believe.

      Now, the going radio theory is that there is a problem near the Niagra New York/Canada border. The Pentagon is saying that there is no indication of terrorism. That being said, I wish most cellular was working, so I could get in touch with my wife.

      Brilliant performance awards go to:

      NYPD, already directing traffic brilliantly.
      FDNY, ditto.
      Verizon, still got full phone, and internet. Considering New York is right in the center of this blackout, seriously. God damn, good show, Verizon.
      Nextel, I still have full service.
      MTA, every bus is rolling.
      Parks, amazingly, this full power outage has not affected the base functionality of any park, citywide. :D

      Boos: Cingular. No service.

      I've got 77% battery left. I'll post again, when I'm bored. =)

    2. Re:Manhattan by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You didn't get a UPS for your fish?

      Why is this rated Funny?? I suggested exactly this to a friend who has a large tank and was expressing concerns about power failures just a few weeks ago. She was mostly concerned about the filter shutting down long enough to kill the bacterial from lack of water flow (I think her estimate of how long this would take was very conserative, but the concern about the issue was real, and it certainly can happen, it's just an issue of how long an outage is required). Contrasted to other expenses involved in a large tank, a UPS is an extremely reasonable investment.

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  2. Sun Spots could be partly to blame? by ratfynk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here is a link to the solar flare situation there is an X class happening right now! http://sunspotcycle.com/

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  3. Weird day. by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is kind of weird. I work at a mid size hosting center and ISP and since we normally run on generator power, we didn't know that there was a widespread power outage. Things started popping up on our monitoring system -- and they all seemed completely unrelated. Of course, it turned out that all the things going red were customers with T1 lines and such, that were in buildings losing power. :)

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  4. CNN is reporting... by phillymjs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...that this is due to a single fire at a major ConEd substation.

    So this one isn't terrorism (so they say), but I'm sure terrorists will be delighted to know that they can throw five major cities into utter chaos by taking out one substation and getting an assist from the domino effect.

    ~Philly

  5. Not Just "Predictable" -- PREDICTED. by cribcage · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm typing from 30 miles southwest of Boston. I've heard reports that Boston is affected; but here in the suburbs, we're not having any problems.

    It's worth noting that, no matter what caused the initial problem: The results we're seeing are exactly what happens when the populace fails to concern itself with potential problems. We Americans, even today, suffer from a serious case of "It'll-never-happen-to-me." Experts have warned for years that our power grids had dangerous "pressure points," where small problems could cause massive failures.

    Unfortunately, when we hear the phrase "potential problem," we hear the first word and never bother to listen to what follows. "If it's not a sure bet, why worry about it?" Well...here's why.

    crib

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  6. The Enron connection by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Interesting
    No-one has been able to afford to bring new generators online recently. And probably not to upgrade/replace old less efficient equipment. And I'm sure most people haven't bought new ACs either because of the economy.

    There is also the Enron factor. A couple of years back when Cheney gave Enron the green light to manipulate the California energy market California was making deals to buy any capacity it could

    During the period the market was being manipulated the cover story was that it was California's fault for not allowing new plants to be built. Power plants have a major lead time so the only way to get generator sets for new power plants to be built in the West was for NYC to give up the generator sets for a bunch of gas turnbine systems planned to be deployed in the East.

    Thank Bush, Cheney and their big friend 'Kenny boy' Lay for putting the interests of Enron before the national interest. First they screwed California and now NYC may well be getting hit by the unexpected results.

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    1. Re:The Enron connection by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Interesting
      it's all the Republicans' fault - for everything - even stuff that happened before they were in power. Californians share none of the blame here. They are helpless victims of the vast right-wing conspiracy.

      The California energy crisis was caused by legislation that Republican Governor Pete Wilson promoted and signed.

      In the case of the manipulation of the energy market by Enron and others it is a matter of record that there was a conspiracy. It is also a matter of record that the conspirators were the largest contributors to the Bush campaign. If you want to dispute these facts try Google, but I doubt you will even find NewsMax or Faux news trying to deny them.

      So far right wing conspiracies involving Bush, Cheney, Tom Delay and other Republicans have prevented the votes being counted in the presidential election, they have helped Enron and others commit a major fraud against the people of California. Oh and only a few years after impeaching a Democratic President for lying about fucking an intern they are claimint that it is perfectly OK for a President to lie to the US people about the reasons for a war.

      I don't know if that meets your definition of 'vast right-wing conspiracy', but it certainly there are certainly conspiracies and the majority seem to be perpetrated by a tiny number of senior Republicans.

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  7. Type 2 security failure at JFK airport by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Reporter Shepard Smith at JFK airport said over the Fox News network that airport maitainance workers were delayed in fixing the generator because they were initially denied access to it because they could not be cleared to access the generators without the metal detectors being powered.

  8. Sorry I'm missing this... by ktakki · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know it sounds strange, but I'm sort of sorry that I'm not in New York for this (I moved to Boston 25 years ago). Yes, I know that it's a monstrous pain in the ass for everyone and even has the potential for injury and loss of life (e.g., heart attack from climbing stairs), but both blackouts I've been in ('65 and '77) were interesting experiences.

    I was five years old for the first one and scared out of my wits when the lights went out. It was an early evening in November, around 5:30 PM, and I was sitting on the kitchen floor, watching TV (the Winchell-Mahoney hour). Lights, television, even the streetlamps outside went out. My first thought: "Mommmmmmmmm!!!!!".

    We ended up walking over to my aunt's house a couple of blocks away and eating the cake that my mother had baked that day. That was our dinner. Blackout cake. She never made it again after that, but I remember with all the flickering candles it seemed like someone's birthday.

    My father got stuck on the subway for 36 hours, though. Bummer for him.

    When the '77 blackout hit, I was living with my father on the 15th floor of a building on East 96th St. I'd just gotten home from my summer job and turned on the radio. The DJ was complaining about the turntables running too fast (overcompensating for low voltage?). Looking out my bedroom window, I saw the blackout roll uptown: the Empire State Building went out first, then the rest of Midtown, the Upper East Side, and then us. It was a hot, humid night and you could see the occasional flash of heat lightning.

    I checked on my neighbors, an elderly couple, before heading down to the street, where I bartered a couple of cold beers for a handful of candles. People were bewildered, wondering if the Indian Point nuclear plant had blown, or if the Rooskies were attacking. It took about an hour for the looting to start north of us and for most of the night there was an endless parade of NYPD patrol cars headed uptown, four or five cops in each, all in full riot gear.

    I don't want to downplay the millions of dollars of damage that happened that night, but my neighborhood was pretty peaceful. It was like an instant block party, people sharing food and beer and the occasional joint, oldtimers (I guess that's me now) talking about the '65 Blackout (which, like today, started at the Mohawk grid and covered roughly the same area).

    Fifteen flights up was nothing for me back then; I ran track in high school.

    A couple of years ago my neighborhood in Boston lost power for 36 hours. Nothing big, maybe 25,000 households, but I was bereft. No cable, no Internet, just a battery-operated radio and, of course, candles. Off the grid.

    But it was educational. I never realized how dependent I was on technology and the network, how much of my time is spent in front of the silicon devils (TV and computer). Thirty hours with nothing but books and an acoustic guitar for entertainment. When the power came on, the first thing I did was fire up a web browser. It was like a refreshingly cool shower of meaningless information after having to sit and stew with my thoughts.

    Shit. I think I'll go to the basement and throw the main breaker. Just for old time's sake.

    k.

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