And while you can debate benchmarks until eternity, it certainly appears poised to meet or beat anything now out on the Windows side.
Well, uh... what?
I mean, maybe I'm just "debating benchmarks" here, but how do you pull the above statement out of the linked article?
On the G5, Photoshop launched in 8 seconds, and relaunched in 4. Yes, 4. On the Dual G4, it launched in 24 seconds, and relaunched in 12.5. And on the Powerbook, Photoshop was ready to go in 25 seconds the first time around, and in 17 seconds on relaunch.
Yes, but what of it? This has nothing to do with Windows, Windows Desktops, or even anything non-apple. It compares the G5 to other, older Apple products. Unsurprisingly, the *new* Apple product beats the *old* Apple product. And clicking a stopwatch, and measuring how long launching a program takes, or how long a reboot lasts isn't that much of a "benchmark".
And, just to give you an idea of the technical competence of the reviewer who wrote the article, check out this snippit:
One final note: I whined in my first review about the G5's weak Airport wireless signal. Several readers promptly (and pointedly) wrote to ask if I'd installed the Apple-supplied external Airport antenna. I had not.
I'm sorry. The article is lousy, and the clown who submitted this article to/. clearly has an agenda to push. Why waste our time like this?
Nix that, boo to the MTA. It doesn't seem like any buses rolling.
Yay to the Big Apple Tours. It looks like they're trying to set up a shuttle.
Yay to regular new yorkers. Ordinary people are directing traffic as well, and you know what? They're pretty good at it. And even more important - the people in the cars are *listening*...
Yay to Mayor Bloomberg. That guy has a *presence*... he's going to speak on the radio, and he's going to say and do what needs to be done.
People are alltogether okay - most are walking towards the bridges - it's one way Manhattan right now, like it was on 9/11 - cars allowed out, but not in. I'm going to leave around 6:30. Before sundown by a long time, but after most of the traffic has bailed.
Anyway, there's not much more to share, so I'll chill with the updates, I guess. Thanks for the concern for the fish, but I don't have any UPS capable of being moved to the tank, and even if I did, I doubt it could power pumps for long.
New Yorkers are taking it well. Honestly, we're getting used to this shit. So hey. That's okay. =)
Follow up: As I'm sure everyone else is posting, it Bloomberg says that the smoke from the 14th street power station is from a shutdown procedure, that I could completely believe.
Now, the going radio theory is that there is a problem near the Niagra New York/Canada border. The Pentagon is saying that there is no indication of terrorism. That being said, I wish most cellular was working, so I could get in touch with my wife.
Brilliant performance awards go to:
NYPD, already directing traffic brilliantly. FDNY, ditto. Verizon, still got full phone, and internet. Considering New York is right in the center of this blackout, seriously. God damn, good show, Verizon. Nextel, I still have full service. MTA, every bus is rolling. Parks, amazingly, this full power outage has not affected the base functionality of any park, citywide.:D
Boos: Cingular. No service.
I've got 77% battery left. I'll post again, when I'm bored. =)
I'm in Manhattan right now, near Colombus Circle. All power is out across all 5 boros. No traffic lights, hundreds of thousands trapped in the subway... I'm dialed in through Verizon (wow. good network, right?) on a laptop, through a PBX with a battery backup.
According to the radio, the 14th street power station is burning. Of course, it also is talking about blackouts from Cleveland to Toronto. With no power, my poor tropical fish have less than a few hours to live, and I already hear a crowd in the street screaming, but it's mostly good natured right now.
I'm sorry, this seems like sabotage. I've got 100 gallons of fresh water, and a sword.
Pinging geology.heroy.smu.edu [129.119.223.84] with 32 bytes of data:
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I mean, that's pretty damn smooth for a 30 minute old story. That's probably peak/. effect time, too. I'm really proud of them, and their little beige boxes. =)
I have the same hard drives (WD1200JB) in a RAID configuration (Promise TX2000), and have had no problems. What is the bug?
I believe the bug he's talking about is the one addressed here. Naturally, right now, as I type this, my desktop is busy mirroring my raid 1 setup of two WD1600JB's. Happily, it seems the fix is fairly easy, but what a thing to see as I'm setting it up for the first time, right?
Third, where does this notion that postal rates are high come from? First class postage was raised to 13 cents in 1975. It's roughly tripled in about 30 years. Do you know what cars cost in 1975? Besides, it's 37 cents!
EXACTLY. You hit the nail on the head.
Seriously, look at it this way - I need you to take these pieces of paper, deliver them across the country, in less than a week, to Upper Moosejaw, Montana. My uncle Steve's house.
He lives at the end of a dirt road, somewhere. I think. Past the shell station, on the left?
For MAX3, the ABIT Engineers listened to users who were asking for information security. SecureIDE connects to your IDE hard disk and has a special decoder; without a special key, your hard disk cannot be opened by anyone. Thus hackers and would be information thieves cannot access your hard disk, even if they remove it from your PC. Protect your privacy and keep anyone from snooping into your information. Lock down your hard disk, not with a password, but with encryption. A password can be cracked by software in a few hours. ABIT's SecureIDE will keep government supercomputers busy for weeks and will keep the RIAA away from your Kazaa files.
Now, when it says Lock down your hard disk, not with a password, but with encryption... that seems to me that there's a hardware key on the motherboard that prevents the HDD from being read in other machines.
Meaning... that instead of stealing just your hard drive, they have to steal the whole computer? =p
Either that, or there is a password in addition to that. It could probably be gotten around by flashing the BIOS, or just taking the CMOS battery out for a brief stint. Either way, no, I don't imagine the NSA is shaking in fear just now.
Yes, I know Sony (like a million other handheld CD player manufacturers) added a buffer. Did you even read my post?
Hurray, another zealot!
Did you read *his* post? Since you most clearly either did not, or failed to understand it, allow me to help - First, please read up on G-Protection. Second, realize that if this device can deal with more than three laser-skipping impacts each second like their CD players, that it will be more than sufficient to deal with anything you would care to play a video game through.
Does "riding in a bumpy car" somehow generate more impacts than jogging? Well, no, it doesn't. So, what is your point, exactly?
Thanks to working with IT people, I can assure you, the patterns on the ties these people pick out are far more damaging to my eyesight than any pressure on my jugular vein, thanks.
the particular buffer overflow is unusual...MIDI files... who'd have thought???
Hey, a 208k MIDI file! I bet it's... extra long! =)
Actually, worse is that IE seems to just play any midi file off any webpage, unless you specifically tell it not to. I can't actually tell if that's vulnerable or not, though.
What will they do when kazaa adapts and it becomes impossible to trace? Go out of business Im guessing.
I'm curious how it would do that. Kazaa, as far as I can tell just acts as a middleman, and your computer makes a direct connection to the computer hosting the file, or vice versa, depending on firewall setups. You'll always have an ip address to work off of. This, and a time of day gives you an ISP account, even in the case of DHCP, and an ISP account gives you a name, address, and credit card, and oh boy, is it all downhill from there.
What I also wonder is how the RIAA is catching people who don't share - I seem to recall reading that they were also going after people who just downloaded songs, one guy as few as five. How do they track that? The obvious way is that the RIAA hosted the files, and waited for users to download them. But in that case, the copyright holder made the files freely available on a public network! Is downloading directly from the copyright holder now illegal somehow?
As a caveat, I don't really care, since I actually don't download mp3's in any form. Not because I think it's wrong, either, I just might be one of the ten people in the world that really likes shopping for CD's, and likes so few albums that it's actually pretty cheap. =p
Well, MS no longer considers MS stock options to be a reward for their employees. If I owned MS stock, I'd be doing some serious thinking on the subject.
Well, this could be because of the slight tilt of the job market in the employers favor, but that's just a guess. Has anyone else noticed this? =p
Can pitch out thousands to some numb-nuts but for the faithful investors, they get to kiss Bill's arse.
Yeah, seriously. After all, owning MSFT over the past ten years is just a *huge*, *huge* mistake. Er, well, mistake if what you're trying to accomplish is to not make any money.
So, ivestors should be cheesed off if their company has a contest that, (are you ready for the shock of this?) gives away prizes? If they give away $1,000 an hour, for a *month*, it'll cost them a bit more than half a million. Compared to conventional advertising, and the number of users this might bring in?
Yes, indeed. It looks like owning MSFT will continue to be a huge mistake. I weep for those poor investors.
You might have lost your house because you can't properly spell the word "lose". I loosed my house too!
Well, okay, but consider this -
Maybe his house was in the backyard, okay? And like, tied to a tree, or something. And it looked really, really sad, so he said, "Okay, house. Run away and be free!"
And so, he removed the rope, and loosed the house. SEE? You can never assume it's a typo. Sheesh!
Look, you're carrying digital information in, essentially, an analog way. Interference will cause minor changes in line voltage, but this still gets converted back to a more digital binary. If your cable run was so borderline that intereference would cause problems, ie outright changing ones to zeros, you'd *know*. You'd have so many problems, the line would be damn near unusable.
Switches and better ethernet adapters can make a difference as well.
Er, well, yes, as far as how long it takes your computer to deal with incoming packets. But that's not what we're talking about, is it?
And, to the other guy that replied (save myself from having to post twice), did you *read* the FAQ you were so nice to link to? From the FAQ:
The general difference between category 5e and category 6 is in the transmission performance, and extension of the available bandwidth from 100 MHz for category 5e to 200 MHz for category 6. This includes better insertion loss, near end crosstalk (NEXT), return loss, and equal level far end crosstalk (ELFEXT). These improvements provide a higher signal-to-noise ratio, allowing higher reliability for current applications and higher data rates for future applications.
Yes, higher reliability for current applications. In other words, a two cables, running over a source of major interference, the cat 6 cable will have a better chance of working properly. However, if they work, they'll be the same. Nowhere in the FAQ does it even suggest higher rate for 100 megabit, or even gigabit. Why is that, do you think?
As they say about reliability further in the FAQ:
This means fewer re-transmissions of lost or corrupted data packets under certain conditions...
Please note, under certain conditions. A properly run Cat 5e network will be just as fast as gigabit ethernet if properly run. As I said. Sigh.
Please define 'get more performance'. Gigabit runs over cat 5e, and cat 6. What will you get, super-duper gigabit? Until something new comes out, you'll get exactly the same performance over both.
I was in best-buy some number of weekends ago, and saw a 10 foot patch cable for $24. It was 5e, but it was all 'special' for better performance from your DSL modem!
Yes, it'll make that 1.5 megabit just *so much faster*. What thieves.
Yeah, but bordermanager is acting at least slightly more active than squid - in our case, it's authenticating each user against their NDS usernames using the client trust utility, and then logging each hit, with NDS info and all, keeping all that information, sort of forever. (I've got 2 years and counting.)
And yes, CPU usage spikes to 2%. =p
However, I peak at around 500-600 hits per second, so either your estimate may be off, or my users are more evil. Does it really matter?
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That being said, ye olde Dan, of dansdata.com has a good (great?) article on the memory effect.
And an unfortunate title as well, but alas.
And while you can debate benchmarks until eternity, it certainly appears poised to meet or beat anything now out on the Windows side.
/. clearly has an agenda to push. Why waste our time like this?
Well, uh... what?
I mean, maybe I'm just "debating benchmarks" here, but how do you pull the above statement out of the linked article?
On the G5, Photoshop launched in 8 seconds, and relaunched in 4. Yes, 4. On the Dual G4, it launched in 24 seconds, and relaunched in 12.5. And on the Powerbook, Photoshop was ready to go in 25 seconds the first time around, and in 17 seconds on relaunch.
Yes, but what of it? This has nothing to do with Windows, Windows Desktops, or even anything non-apple. It compares the G5 to other, older Apple products. Unsurprisingly, the *new* Apple product beats the *old* Apple product. And clicking a stopwatch, and measuring how long launching a program takes, or how long a reboot lasts isn't that much of a "benchmark".
And, just to give you an idea of the technical competence of the reviewer who wrote the article, check out this snippit:
One final note: I whined in my first review about the G5's weak Airport wireless signal. Several readers promptly (and pointedly) wrote to ask if I'd installed the Apple-supplied external Airport antenna. I had not.
I'm sorry. The article is lousy, and the clown who submitted this article to
Nix that, boo to the MTA. It doesn't seem like any buses rolling.
Yay to the Big Apple Tours. It looks like they're trying to set up a shuttle.
Yay to regular new yorkers. Ordinary people are directing traffic as well, and you know what? They're pretty good at it. And even more important - the people in the cars are *listening*...
Yay to Mayor Bloomberg. That guy has a *presence*... he's going to speak on the radio, and he's going to say and do what needs to be done.
People are alltogether okay - most are walking towards the bridges - it's one way Manhattan right now, like it was on 9/11 - cars allowed out, but not in. I'm going to leave around 6:30. Before sundown by a long time, but after most of the traffic has bailed.
Anyway, there's not much more to share, so I'll chill with the updates, I guess. Thanks for the concern for the fish, but I don't have any UPS capable of being moved to the tank, and even if I did, I doubt it could power pumps for long.
New Yorkers are taking it well. Honestly, we're getting used to this shit. So hey. That's okay. =)
Follow up: As I'm sure everyone else is posting, it Bloomberg says that the smoke from the 14th street power station is from a shutdown procedure, that I could completely believe.
:D
Now, the going radio theory is that there is a problem near the Niagra New York/Canada border. The Pentagon is saying that there is no indication of terrorism. That being said, I wish most cellular was working, so I could get in touch with my wife.
Brilliant performance awards go to:
NYPD, already directing traffic brilliantly.
FDNY, ditto.
Verizon, still got full phone, and internet. Considering New York is right in the center of this blackout, seriously. God damn, good show, Verizon.
Nextel, I still have full service.
MTA, every bus is rolling.
Parks, amazingly, this full power outage has not affected the base functionality of any park, citywide.
Boos: Cingular. No service.
I've got 77% battery left. I'll post again, when I'm bored. =)
I'm in Manhattan right now, near Colombus Circle. All power is out across all 5 boros. No traffic lights, hundreds of thousands trapped in the subway... I'm dialed in through Verizon (wow. good network, right?) on a laptop, through a PBX with a battery backup.
According to the radio, the 14th street power station is burning. Of course, it also is talking about blackouts from Cleveland to Toronto. With no power, my poor tropical fish have less than a few hours to live, and I already hear a crowd in the street screaming, but it's mostly good natured right now.
I'm sorry, this seems like sabotage. I've got 100 gallons of fresh water, and a sword.
And I'm posting on slashdot.
Oh well. I guess I just wanted to say hello. =p
Are you serious? Because... this is what I get:
...blah,blah,blah...
/. effect time, too. I'm really proud of them, and their little beige boxes. =)
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Ping statistics for 129.119.223.84:
Packets: Sent = 16, Received = 16, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 56ms, Maximum = 74ms, Average = 60ms
I mean, that's pretty damn smooth for a 30 minute old story. That's probably peak
I have the same hard drives (WD1200JB) in a RAID configuration (Promise TX2000), and have had no problems. What is the bug?
I believe the bug he's talking about is the one addressed here. Naturally, right now, as I type this, my desktop is busy mirroring my raid 1 setup of two WD1600JB's. Happily, it seems the fix is fairly easy, but what a thing to see as I'm setting it up for the first time, right?
Third, where does this notion that postal rates are high come from? First class postage was raised to 13 cents in 1975. It's roughly tripled in about 30 years. Do you know what cars cost in 1975? Besides, it's 37 cents!
EXACTLY. You hit the nail on the head.
Seriously, look at it this way - I need you to take these pieces of paper, deliver them across the country, in less than a week, to Upper Moosejaw, Montana. My uncle Steve's house.
He lives at the end of a dirt road, somewhere. I think. Past the shell station, on the left?
So, yeah. To do this, I'll give you $.37.
Hey, I consider that a deal. =)
Here's the bit on secure IDE:
For MAX3, the ABIT Engineers listened to users who were asking for information security. SecureIDE connects to your IDE hard disk and has a special decoder; without a special key, your hard disk cannot be opened by anyone. Thus hackers and would be information thieves cannot access your hard disk, even if they remove it from your PC. Protect your privacy and keep anyone from snooping into your information. Lock down your hard disk, not with a password, but with encryption. A password can be cracked by software in a few hours. ABIT's SecureIDE will keep government supercomputers busy for weeks and will keep the RIAA away from your Kazaa files.
Now, when it says Lock down your hard disk, not with a password, but with encryption... that seems to me that there's a hardware key on the motherboard that prevents the HDD from being read in other machines.
Meaning... that instead of stealing just your hard drive, they have to steal the whole computer? =p
Either that, or there is a password in addition to that. It could probably be gotten around by flashing the BIOS, or just taking the CMOS battery out for a brief stint. Either way, no, I don't imagine the NSA is shaking in fear just now.
Yes, I know Sony (like a million other handheld CD player manufacturers) added a buffer. Did you even read my post?
Hurray, another zealot!
Did you read *his* post? Since you most clearly either did not, or failed to understand it, allow me to help - First, please read up on G-Protection. Second, realize that if this device can deal with more than three laser-skipping impacts each second like their CD players, that it will be more than sufficient to deal with anything you would care to play a video game through.
Does "riding in a bumpy car" somehow generate more impacts than jogging? Well, no, it doesn't. So, what is your point, exactly?
Thanks to working with IT people, I can assure you, the patterns on the ties these people pick out are far more damaging to my eyesight than any pressure on my jugular vein, thanks.
It's not an acronym unless you pronounce it as if it were a word, like 'scuba', 'radar', 'sonar', 'SNAFU', 'FUBAR', or 'NASA'
Holy cow, I guess I've been pronouncing GPL wrong! Let alone PCMCIA! =)
After uninstallation of the IIS update, OpenGL started working again. Trustworthy Computing, my balls.
It is trustworthy! You can trust it not to work!
Ba-dum-bup! (rimshot)
Thanks folks! I'll be here all week! Try the veal!
the particular buffer overflow is unusual...MIDI files... who'd have thought???
Hey, a 208k MIDI file! I bet it's... extra long! =)
Actually, worse is that IE seems to just play any midi file off any webpage, unless you specifically tell it not to. I can't actually tell if that's vulnerable or not, though.
Let's see, pay for music and get F'ed... download for free and be fine (as long as you don't share).
So, let me see if I have this right - you think that files off a pay-for-music download site are more likely to be infected vs. files on Kazaa?
Seriously?
What will they do when kazaa adapts and it becomes impossible to trace? Go out of business Im guessing.
I'm curious how it would do that. Kazaa, as far as I can tell just acts as a middleman, and your computer makes a direct connection to the computer hosting the file, or vice versa, depending on firewall setups. You'll always have an ip address to work off of. This, and a time of day gives you an ISP account, even in the case of DHCP, and an ISP account gives you a name, address, and credit card, and oh boy, is it all downhill from there.
What I also wonder is how the RIAA is catching people who don't share - I seem to recall reading that they were also going after people who just downloaded songs, one guy as few as five. How do they track that? The obvious way is that the RIAA hosted the files, and waited for users to download them. But in that case, the copyright holder made the files freely available on a public network! Is downloading directly from the copyright holder now illegal somehow?
As a caveat, I don't really care, since I actually don't download mp3's in any form. Not because I think it's wrong, either, I just might be one of the ten people in the world that really likes shopping for CD's, and likes so few albums that it's actually pretty cheap. =p
err, "finally" and "then" are transposed.
and i even used preview. so embarrassing.
That's why I never use preview. =p
Well, MS no longer considers MS stock options to be a reward for their employees. If I owned MS stock, I'd be doing some serious thinking on the subject.
Well, this could be because of the slight tilt of the job market in the employers favor, but that's just a guess. Has anyone else noticed this? =p
Lord, I'm a smartass. Sigh. Sorry about that. =)
Can pitch out thousands to some numb-nuts but for the faithful investors, they get to kiss Bill's arse.
Yeah, seriously. After all, owning MSFT over the past ten years is just a *huge*, *huge* mistake. Er, well, mistake if what you're trying to accomplish is to not make any money.
So, ivestors should be cheesed off if their company has a contest that, (are you ready for the shock of this?) gives away prizes? If they give away $1,000 an hour, for a *month*, it'll cost them a bit more than half a million. Compared to conventional advertising, and the number of users this might bring in?
Yes, indeed. It looks like owning MSFT will continue to be a huge mistake. I weep for those poor investors.
You might have lost your house because you can't properly spell the word "lose". I loosed my house too!
Well, okay, but consider this -
Maybe his house was in the backyard, okay? And like, tied to a tree, or something. And it looked really, really sad, so he said, "Okay, house. Run away and be free!"
And so, he removed the rope, and loosed the house. SEE? You can never assume it's a typo. Sheesh!
Sigh.
No, it won't make a difference. It just won't.
Look, you're carrying digital information in, essentially, an analog way. Interference will cause minor changes in line voltage, but this still gets converted back to a more digital binary. If your cable run was so borderline that intereference would cause problems, ie outright changing ones to zeros, you'd *know*. You'd have so many problems, the line would be damn near unusable.
Switches and better ethernet adapters can make a difference as well.
Er, well, yes, as far as how long it takes your computer to deal with incoming packets. But that's not what we're talking about, is it?
And, to the other guy that replied (save myself from having to post twice), did you *read* the FAQ you were so nice to link to? From the FAQ:
The general difference between category 5e and category 6 is in the transmission performance, and extension of the available bandwidth from 100 MHz for category 5e to 200 MHz for category 6. This includes better insertion loss, near end crosstalk (NEXT), return loss, and equal level far end crosstalk (ELFEXT). These improvements provide a higher signal-to-noise ratio, allowing higher reliability for current applications and higher data rates for future applications.
Yes, higher reliability for current applications. In other words, a two cables, running over a source of major interference, the cat 6 cable will have a better chance of working properly. However, if they work, they'll be the same. Nowhere in the FAQ does it even suggest higher rate for 100 megabit, or even gigabit. Why is that, do you think?
As they say about reliability further in the FAQ:
This means fewer re-transmissions of lost or corrupted data packets under certain conditions...
Please note, under certain conditions. A properly run Cat 5e network will be just as fast as gigabit ethernet if properly run. As I said. Sigh.
Please define 'get more performance'. Gigabit runs over cat 5e, and cat 6. What will you get, super-duper gigabit? Until something new comes out, you'll get exactly the same performance over both.
I was in best-buy some number of weekends ago, and saw a 10 foot patch cable for $24. It was 5e, but it was all 'special' for better performance from your DSL modem!
Yes, it'll make that 1.5 megabit just *so much faster*. What thieves.
The correct way to mock him would have been as follows:
"spelling is arbitrary"
No, there are rules. Some people just don't understand them, expecially you.
Fortunately, most "/.ters " aren't belligerent, abrasive fools like you.
Are you sure? I know I am. =p
Yeah, but bordermanager is acting at least slightly more active than squid - in our case, it's authenticating each user against their NDS usernames using the client trust utility, and then logging each hit, with NDS info and all, keeping all that information, sort of forever. (I've got 2 years and counting.)
And yes, CPU usage spikes to 2%. =p
However, I peak at around 500-600 hits per second, so either your estimate may be off, or my users are more evil. Does it really matter?