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The Death of A Universe

ninthwave writes "The Guardian is running an article on research into the visible effects of entropy in the Universe. Alan Heavens of The University of Edinburgh did the research also posted at The Royal Astronomical Society with this article" I dunno - expansion, heat death - it all reminds me of a teacher who said "I'm not a premillenialist, postmillenialist - I'm a pan-millenialist, as in it's all going to pan out in the end." Update: 08/18 16:36 GMT by S : Headline fixed.

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  1. Now I'm worried by Mad-cat · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, if I'm alive in 5 billion years, I'll die in a fiery red version of our sun.

    1. Re:Now I'm worried by Distinguished+Hero · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, since in the article they mentioned that the Big Bang occured 14 billion years ago, they are using "U.S. Billions" (10^9) and not "U.K. Billions" (10^12). That means that they predict the Sun will engulf Earth in 5*10^9 years (5 "U.S. Billion" Years).

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  2. U of E by GMontag · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doesn't this guy also go on to invent transparent aluminum then come back to the present and give away the formula to a fabricator in San Francisco?

    "Computer! Oh computer?"

  3. Job description by SnappingTurtle · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just the other day I was told I couldn't put "minimize entropy" as my job description where I work. Now look what's happening. I'm going to take this article to my boss and say "I told you so!"

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  4. Gravity and Heat by TuataraShoes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The reality is that we know so little about the universe that we can't even account for 90% of the gravity in our own galaxy. We call it dark matter because we can't see it anywhere but we need it to balance the visible mass against the visible size and rotation of the Milky Way.
    We have only just begun to think about the shape of the universe. As in... What is at the edge, and what is beyond that? Or does it curl around in a sort of 11 dimentional sphery type thing. Figuring out the total heat or mass in the universe is still way beyond us.
    We don't yet have a theory of gravity that works for the galaxy, or fits with electromagnetic and nuclear forces.

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  5. Universe ripped apart by no+reason+to+be+here · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read somewhere recently (forgive me, I remember not where) of a new-ish theory that if the rate of expansion continues to increase that the universe will be ripped apart. that is to say, the rate of expansion would be so great that not only gravity would fail, but even strong and weak forces. All matter would be torn to shreds as it accelerated ever faster and faster.

    IANAP, so anyone who is one, or studying to become one care to comment?

  6. I think MC Steven Hawking Says it best... by DanThe1Man · · Score: 4, Funny
  7. Interesting, but I don't put much faith into it. by I'm+a+racist. · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The fact is, we are rather unsure of what will happen as the universe ends.

    When I was an undergraduate, my astrophysics and cosmology courses went into a number of models. The problem isn't that any of these models are inherently wrong. The real problem is that we don't have the observational evidence to choose and properly parameterize any particular model. Hasn't anyone else noticed the constant influx of observations that favor one model or another? I don't think these observations are necessarily wrong either, they are just pushing our techniques to their limits.

    Not long ago, a new and very interesting model was published. It fits well with observations. Anyone with a passing interest in cosmology and/or string theory should read that paper, it's very short and easily digestable. This idea is, of course, very interesting. Is it actually the way the universe works? Hmmm, I don't know. We just don't have the observational capability to say with a high degree of certainty how the universe will evolve on a long timescale.

    Sure, I like hearing about the latest measurements and calculations. But, I take it all with a megaparsec-scale cloud of sodium. It's interesting, but not too meaningful, most of the time.

    This debate is definitely going to go on for some years to come. In fact, it may well not have a good answer for 5-15 gigayears.

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  8. Re:"An Universe"? by Goody · · Score: 5, Funny

    You must be new here...

    aaaahhh, forget it..

    I, for one, welcome our grammar-challenged Slashdot Editor overlords.

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  9. The Last Question by sICE · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interrestingly enough, Isaac Asimov already told us just that.

  10. Re:What a joke! by (void*) · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Who is more arrogant - the man who tries very hard to make a firm conclusion based on the best data available, or the man who says he can't do it and it would be futile to try?


    The answer is obvious.

  11. My take on this by wiggys · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Maybe the last "days" of the universe will consist of groups of highly advanced intelligent beings scavenging for matter in a dying universe to sustain them. They will still be looking for a way to create another universe, and therefore new life. If they succeed, they will no doubt create a universe with a slightly different set of parameters so that life evolves much earlier than it did in the present universe.

    Perhaps they will find a way to teleport into the new universe they create, each life form becoming truly a God.

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  12. Re:Am grammar died by maddskillz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just to drive the point home, I found this at www.dictionary.com: In writing, the form a is used before a word beginning with a consonant sound, regardless of its spelling (a frog, a university). The form an is used before a word beginning with a vowel sound (an orange, an hour).

  13. Re:"An Universe"? by TheShadow · · Score: 5, Funny

    "But language is an evolving invention of the people and not a set of rules defended by an elite crackerjack force of grammar gnomes."

    Tell that to the French.

    *rimshot*

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  14. Sad news, Universe dead at ~14 Gyr by Guano_Jim · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...just read some sad news in the Guardian - the Universe was found dead in its multidimensional home this morning. There weren't any more details yet. I'm sure we'll all miss it, even if you weren't a fan of its work there's no denying its contribution to popular culture. Truly a cosmological icon.

  15. Re:"An Universe"? by dodongo · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's called "epenthesis"--the insertion of a sound becuase the language seems to dictate it.

    Ex. A + hour ---> "An hour"

    In this case, the [n] sound is epenthetic.

    I'm sure some folks studying phonology can give us the official formula for English... I guess the [n] only pops up between the determiner "a" and a vowel sound-initial word. The "yoo" sound in "universe" is a semivowel :-P

  16. Earth not to be engulfed! by Luyseyal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The sun will swell to become a red giant until it engulfs Earth.

    Actually, it's been recently shown (1, 2) that Earth could survive Sol's expansion, though it would be really frickin' hot!

    -l

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  17. Re:Am grammar died by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Hmmm, there exists more then one cat. However, people refer to "a cat", all the time. If someone was referring to "the universe", saying there is only a single universe, you might have a point. I have heard people refer to "the cat", and when there is only a single obvious meaning nobody is confused. Just like the implied you in the sentence "Sit down".

    The term Universe from it's root is inherently singluar. There can't be two, because by definition, the two as a whole would then be considered the "Universe", and we'd lack the appropriate term for the two parts. I completely understand that science has subverted this, and decided to use the term multiverse to be unambigious.

    About the only place I can even contemplate having more then one Universe, is in mathmatics where you have Universal Sets. There, you make the noun "set" plural.

    First the "atom" (the root word means indivisible, guess the guys on the Manhatten project weren't paying attention), now the "universe" (its root means roughly all inclusive of everything). Can't we wait until we are sure of the properties before we name things. That's why multiverse, and sub-atomic particles are oxymorons.

    Kirby

  18. Re:"An Universe"? by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's called "epenthesis"--the insertion of a sound becuase the language seems to dictate it.

    No, it's called a mistake, because the language doesn't dictate it, a semi-literate "editor" does, who remembers half the rule he learnt in primary school. It's the mindless extension of a rule, like putting an apostrophe before every final "s" when it's neither a possessive nor a contraction.

  19. The Death of An Career by doc_traig · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hemos,

    You have embarrassed we for the last time. Get an box and clean out you locker.

    Loves,

    Taco

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