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During Blackout, Ham Radio Shined

Mark Cantrell writes "An interesting bit on AP through Yahoo today. Seems that ham radio (which recently had a bit of backlash here on Slashdot from a few people thinking it was useless, outdated technology), really shined through during the blackouts. When the power went, ham radio operators, using battery backup power, were able to help coordinate emergency workers while the cell phone networks were overloaded. For anyone wondering why interference due to power line broadband is considered a bad thing, well, there ya go."

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  1. Power line emissions by Mawen · · Score: 5, Funny

    ....Right, because when the power is out, those power lines sure generate a lot of interference.

    1. Re:Power line emissions by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But they DO generate a lot of interference. Makes the radio unlistenable. Some smacktard in the other thread was going on about how a few peoples hobby wasn't important. Well, guess what fuckhole, it is. Amateur radio saved your worthless ass. There would be no amateur radio left if the FCC continues with their stupidity.

    2. Re:Power line emissions by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Calls out of a disaster area are often trying to get to an area that has not been hit by the disaster, and those areas could well be blacked out by the types of interference that was discussed.

      Also, there have been disasters that hams have been involved in providing services for where communications were greatly disrupted, but power was not out. September 11, 2001 New York city had a major communications disruption that hams played a very important part in getting health and welfare messages out of and across the city when the phone system was significantly impacted.

      But your post also shows an extreme shortsightedness. Do you expect hams to keep maintaining equipment and buying new equipment, and new hams to come into the hobby, if normally the RF interference is so bad that they could only use that equipment in the event of a massive power failure? When lives are lost because the ranks of the ham radio operators have dwindled because they were pushed off the bands (and they certainly have saved many lives) perhaps you can make your little joke again.

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      I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
    3. Re:Power line emissions by iamroot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On a more serious note:

      A lot of people seem to say "Its much more valuable to have thousands of people get broadband internet access than to have ham radio. After all, most of the time, hams just chat and aren't helping with emergencies. Plus, powerline broadband would only affect HF."

      However, the general chit-chat that ham operators do IS valuable. Without it, ham radio would become worthless. People aren't going to buy thousand dollar radios "just in case" if they have huge amounts of interference to deal with so they can't chat. Similarly, would YOU pay for internet service that had 99% downtime? Furthermore, current operators will be less willing to keep an operational station if theres nothing to do with it. That radio will just sit in the attic, and if there's an emergency, too bad. Also, people aren't going to be able to do anything even if they have a working station if they haven't ever been able to practice.

      Its not that ham-radio is old and more reliable than newer technologies, its that nothing yet can easily replace ham-radio(try to think of something that really can), and seeing how the internet has been turned into a marketing/media tool, there may not be anything for a while. Ham radio is simple, long-range, portable, versatile/flexible, and most importantly, independant of other services.

      Cell-phone nets get overloaded with callers.
      The internet has no long range portability, and is dependent on physical networks.
      Sattelite phones are WAY too expensive and limited.
      Etc...

    4. Re:Power line emissions by Desert+Raven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you have no understanding of the nature of emergency services. At it's best, emergency services are controlled chaos. Under "other than normal" circumstances it's a complete crapshoot. Having the assistance of *trained* citizens is invaluable, and is a lot more common than you obviously think. The emergency services are there to help you, not wipe your ass for you.

      And, quite frankly, all these ultra-high tech communications systems the emergency services use are really nice under normal circumstances, but are completely friggin useless when the main systems fail. Many modern vehicle radios *cannot* talk directly to another mobile unit (multi-frequency). The transmission is sent to a tower, and relayed to the other vehicle/handheld. If the tower fails, every radio in the field becomes a high-dollar piece of junk.

      Yes, I do know what I'm talking about, I worked eight years in emergency services, and my wife has over 17 years, and is still working in in the field.

  2. As if /.'ers care by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being a slashdotter means never having to say you're sorry when you ostracize a seemingly archaic, yet dependable, technology that shows its worth when all else fails.

    1. Re:As if /.'ers care by antibryce · · Score: 5, Funny
      Being a slashdotter means never having to say you're sorry when you ostracize a seemingly archaic, yet dependable, technology that shows its worth when all else fails.


      er, I thought we liked UNIX on Slashdot. Did I not get the memo?

      Oh, you meant ham radio! Nevermind...

  3. Amateur Radio Obsolete??, Try this by dlmarti · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How would you like a 128k data link to your car:
    http://www.icomamerica.com/amateur/dstar/ind ex.htm l

    Amateur Radio is cutting edge, the thing that makes it seem obsolete is that they never delete old protocols or modes of operation. For example the same guy may use CW to contact Brazil one night, and an OSCAR (Orbital Satellite Carrying Amateur Radio) Satellite to contact France the next.

  4. Was my savior. by niko9 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm a paramedic in NYC, and when the lights went out, I went straight into work at the hospital.

    Before I left the house, I took along my HTX-245 Radio Shack dual band radio ($49 on clearance).
    I tried several repeaters, and an operator on one, informed me that the repeater was up on battery power, he was standing by with a working landline, and was available to us for phone calls in case we needed to contact our telemetry physician.

    The admins and my boss at the hospital were very impressed, more so when the EMS radios went down, and my HTX-245 600mw radio was our only link that time in the field.

    73's N2PDB

  5. Ham Joke by cnb · · Score: 5, Funny

    An blonde chick ran out of gas one night and a dude pulled over to offer assistance. She got in the car and noticed he had all kinds of radio equipment in the car and several antennas outside. She asked what that was all about. He explained he was a Ham radio operator and he could talk to anywhere in the world from right here in his car. She asked "Anywhere in the world?" and he assured her he could. "Even in Poland?" she asked. "Yes, even Poland." She said "Wow, my mother lives in Poland and today is her birthday. I'd do anything if I could tell her Happy Birthday." He said "You'd do anything?" She said "Yes, anything." So he pulled over on the top of a hill and pulled out his dick and said "Get with it." She grabbed ahold of it and bent over and said "Happy Birthday, Mom."

  6. Ham radio is there when you need it by Whammy666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even though 99 pct of the time no one thinks about ham radio, in a crisis situation, it's usually the one form of communication that is likely to be still working when it hits the fan. In remote areas, it may be the only communication available even in good times.

    The reason is that our modern communications are very complex and dependent on things like having reliable electrical power. Most ham sets can run on car batteries and provide nationwide or even global coverage if necessary. Voice, video, and data are all possible with ham radio. Just what you need in a crisis.

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    When all else fails, run.
  7. Re:Good use for HAM by niko9 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Your missing the point. Ham radio is there for YOU when you need it most. It's not just blackouts, eathquakes, search and rescue, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis, biblical plagues, it's so much more.

    Almost all the hi tech radio technology you use on a daily basis, has had some direct influence from ham radio. You like WiFi? Who do you think were the primary experimenters in that frequeny range? Who do you think you still share some of that band with?

    What's the best way to get some young people interested in technology and have some direct hands on experience building their own gear?

    Ever see somebody make a repeater out of 2 battery opertaed hand held radios that can extend the range of other portables for miles? Ham's do that on a daily basis when public service departments (Fire, EMS, Police) don't have the resources to do so.

    It's just not widley publicized for some reason.
    I guess it makes sense to take pictures of firefighters in bunker gear (I'm not knocking them) than to see some guy hunched over a couple of radios relaying important info.

    Please check out www.arrl.org to find out more.

  8. Re:stupid question by Lxy · · Score: 5, Informative

    A few sites of interest:

    American Relay Radio League
    QRZ

    Hams do lots of things. Most of the time it's general banter, contacting whoever you can contact. Often times it's used as a telephone replacement, since it's easy (and free) to talk to many people at once (aka conference calling). There's also contesting, if you check out the events calendar on the ARRL site I linked to you'll see a bunch of "try to contact as many people in the allotted time according to these rules" type events. While it may seem silly at times, it gives us practice.

    Often times contests require us to run on our own power, give us a limited set of hardware, and the objective is to make contacts. Hmm.. sound like an emergency drill? Hams respond quickly because in all our non-emergency downtime we get practice so jumping on the air in a moment's notice is almost second nature.

    It's mostly covered in the article, but the things that set hams apart are:

    * We always have our own power
    * We know how to conduct ourselves on the radio for maximum efficiency (everyone knows how to take turns reporting etc)
    * We know how our radios work so when they break, we can fix them quickly
    * We can make damn near anything from a coil of wire and a battery in the middle of nowhere

    Yes, McGyver was definitely a ham radio op.

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    There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
    :wq
  9. Re:I told you so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I. It's not low tech. It's appropriate tech.

    II. It's the most dependable emergency communcation network in the world.

    III. It requires practicaly NO INFRASTRUCTURE!

    IV. It's CHEAP (total cost to implement, see III)!

    V. It's reliable. It will be operational when all other methods of long distance communication fail.(See II)

    VI. It's democratic.

    VII. It is the first worldwide hacker community.

    IX. It teaches science and technology without being onerous.

    X. It is altruistic (people use their rigs to provide emergency communications for people who could care less about ham radio).

    XI. Unlike commercial broadcasting, it serves the community at all times.

    Those are just a few of the many reasons I admire and apreciate ham radio operators. We should all fight to preserve a portion of the spectrum for the use of these fine folks.

  10. You going to train them? Equip them? by TWX · · Score: 5, Informative

    "I'd argue that, instead of relying on grungy old men with ham radios, that emergency personel should have access to ham radios. It'd probably cost a lot less to do that than to create a telecommunications infrastructure resistant to blackouts."

    Not everyone in ham radio is a 'grungy old man'. I'm 23, and I'm licensed. My girlfriend at the time I got into Amateur Radio is licensed, she was who got me interested in the field. A friend of mine in his 30's is licensed, a former employer if mine is licensed, and he was the Systems Architect for a communications project of very large scale.

    You probably know at least one ham radio operator, who probably has some old Kenwood radio somewhere waiting for a need to be used. I don't drive around with five antennas on my car, there is an antenna cable coming into the passenger compartment, but the mount sits in the trunk with the antenna so I can put it up if I feel that I need to use it. I keep good batteries near where I store my radios, and I have one VHF HT for quick use, and one all-mode HT for when real problems hit.

    And besides, are you going to train all of the emergency personnel on how to use the equipment and proper ettiquite? It's not exactly rocket science, but there are enough emergency personnel who would rather worry about learning how to keep critically injured people alive and let someone else do the talking that I'll gladly be one of the 'someone else'.

    And two hours on a cell tower you say? I can go days on a set of batteries on my 2m HT, and a full day on the all-mode, if I have to, and I have enough power to go miles without any relay. I think that's pretty good odds for an extended blackout.

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    Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
  11. Amongst the reasons why I'll keep my license... by nvrrobx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I haven't keyed up a radio in a few years, but when my license expires in March of 2004, I'm renewing it.

    It's just one of those things - you never know when you'll need it, but you'll be glad you had it...

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    KE6FTH

  12. It isn't real? Tell that to the RACES teams... by TWX · · Score: 5, Informative

    "I'd much rather have a REAL backup system than spend money reducing power line interference for HAM radio operators."

    This isn't real?

    Looks pretty organised to me. RACES (for HAM Radio) and REACT (for CB et al.) have been organized for quite some time. They provide coordinated relay of information when a natural disaster (or worse) occurs. They're usually up and running within minutes, and they listen for emergency transmissions from other operators, to forward to the right authorities. Sounds like a good system to me...

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    Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
  13. What in the F?! by TitaniumFox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've got a few karma points to burn, and you need to be beaten with a clue stick. I suggest you start with the ARRL.

    To call amateur radio operators simply hobbiests does them a disservice. They're licensed by the FCC. Listen on your local repeater the next time some severe thunderstorms roll through. I bet you'll hear a SKYWARN net, courtesy of your local ARES group. What's ARES? This is. They are volunteers that work closely with the National Weather Service. If you're lucky enough to still have an active RACES group in your area, I suggest you go look at that site. FEMA, or the Federal Emergency Management Agency, is the governing body that provides assistance to the local governing bodies, specifically the civil defence bodies that sponsor RACES groups.

    Enough examples? No?

    Check out an Army or Navy MARS site and note that you can pass a MARSGRAM to any service member, anywhere, through the network of MARS operators. As an amateur radio operator, it was pretty cool to sit (once) at the MARS gateway in Frankfurt, Germany while I was in the Army. More than a handful of messages that came through were on their way to soldiers in Bosnia.

    If your metro area lost traditional communications, your local hams would post themselves at the Red Cross, any hospitals, police and fire stations and keep communications going. In fact, this is what they did in New York after the towers came down.

    Guess what else. We're volunteers. We don't get paid. In fact, we CAN'T get paid for our radio services. Go read the rules: 47 CFR 97.113(2)

    P.S. It says no radio transmissions for hire.

    That means every radio operator is out there during emergencies because they want to be. They take an active interest in the community they're serving. They invest in their own rigs and the generators to run them so that they might one day HELP YOU, as well as give them an outlet for their interests. That's a damn sight more dedicated than your whiny, milktoast ass.

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    -- I'd say your post was about 3 monkeys, 18 minutes.
    1. Re:What in the F?! by stangbat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You have summarized the sentiments I was trying to get across in my post the last time this subject came up (and you did it much better than I did or could).

      Ignorant people criticize things they don't understand. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your views) hams look out the ingorant folks too. The people who wouldn't notice if hams were gone are going to be the first ones bitching when the chips are down and you need emergency service coordination or a backup for emergency communications. They will be the ones asking "Why doesn't our government have a backup plan?" Well, despite the best laid plans, backups sometimes fail and our government (local and federal) is notoriously short sited in spending the money for such things (Gee, do I have to give examples of this?) Hams fill the gaps quietly and much better than government ever could.

      It is nice to know that hams are covering our collective asses and doing it for free and little to no recognition. As TitaniumFox stated, listen to the local repeater when the next severe storm comes in. You'll get better information quicker than what you ever hear from your local news or on NOAA weather radio. The hams are the ones out there reporting what the talking head on the news station is telling you. The talking head is getting their info from trained spotters who do this work for free to save your ignorant butt. And those trained spotters are almost always amateur radio operators.

      Gee, sounds like some of these "hobbyists" may have more to offer the community than most Slashdot posters. (Go look in the mirror).

      I'll stop my rant. "73" to those who know what the hell I am talking about.