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During Blackout, Ham Radio Shined

Mark Cantrell writes "An interesting bit on AP through Yahoo today. Seems that ham radio (which recently had a bit of backlash here on Slashdot from a few people thinking it was useless, outdated technology), really shined through during the blackouts. When the power went, ham radio operators, using battery backup power, were able to help coordinate emergency workers while the cell phone networks were overloaded. For anyone wondering why interference due to power line broadband is considered a bad thing, well, there ya go."

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  1. Power line emissions by Mawen · · Score: 5, Funny

    ....Right, because when the power is out, those power lines sure generate a lot of interference.

    1. Re:Power line emissions by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But they DO generate a lot of interference. Makes the radio unlistenable. Some smacktard in the other thread was going on about how a few peoples hobby wasn't important. Well, guess what fuckhole, it is. Amateur radio saved your worthless ass. There would be no amateur radio left if the FCC continues with their stupidity.

    2. Re:Power line emissions by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Calls out of a disaster area are often trying to get to an area that has not been hit by the disaster, and those areas could well be blacked out by the types of interference that was discussed.

      Also, there have been disasters that hams have been involved in providing services for where communications were greatly disrupted, but power was not out. September 11, 2001 New York city had a major communications disruption that hams played a very important part in getting health and welfare messages out of and across the city when the phone system was significantly impacted.

      But your post also shows an extreme shortsightedness. Do you expect hams to keep maintaining equipment and buying new equipment, and new hams to come into the hobby, if normally the RF interference is so bad that they could only use that equipment in the event of a massive power failure? When lives are lost because the ranks of the ham radio operators have dwindled because they were pushed off the bands (and they certainly have saved many lives) perhaps you can make your little joke again.

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    3. Re:Power line emissions by iamroot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On a more serious note:

      A lot of people seem to say "Its much more valuable to have thousands of people get broadband internet access than to have ham radio. After all, most of the time, hams just chat and aren't helping with emergencies. Plus, powerline broadband would only affect HF."

      However, the general chit-chat that ham operators do IS valuable. Without it, ham radio would become worthless. People aren't going to buy thousand dollar radios "just in case" if they have huge amounts of interference to deal with so they can't chat. Similarly, would YOU pay for internet service that had 99% downtime? Furthermore, current operators will be less willing to keep an operational station if theres nothing to do with it. That radio will just sit in the attic, and if there's an emergency, too bad. Also, people aren't going to be able to do anything even if they have a working station if they haven't ever been able to practice.

      Its not that ham-radio is old and more reliable than newer technologies, its that nothing yet can easily replace ham-radio(try to think of something that really can), and seeing how the internet has been turned into a marketing/media tool, there may not be anything for a while. Ham radio is simple, long-range, portable, versatile/flexible, and most importantly, independant of other services.

      Cell-phone nets get overloaded with callers.
      The internet has no long range portability, and is dependent on physical networks.
      Sattelite phones are WAY too expensive and limited.
      Etc...

    4. Re:Power line emissions by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's not the power in the power lines that generates the interference, it's the broadband signal (which, I'm sure, can run without the power running (at least, until the battery backup dies).

      In any case, that's not the point... If the broadband signal pushes ham users out of their 'hobby' then, when the power goes out, there won't be any hams with working radios to help coordinate the saving of your unlit butt.

      Reminds me of a parable...

      "Why is faith more important than knowledge?" The acolyte asked of the priest.

      The priest thought for a moment, then replied: "Faith is like a candle, knowlege is like the sun".

      "But isn't a candle useless compared to the sun?" asked the acolyte.

      "Ask me that question again at midnight," replied the priest.

      The ham system is rather like an insurance policy. It often seems like a waste -- until the day you really need it. Of course, the day you really need it, is the wrong time to put it together.
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      Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
    5. Re:Power line emissions by Desert+Raven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you have no understanding of the nature of emergency services. At it's best, emergency services are controlled chaos. Under "other than normal" circumstances it's a complete crapshoot. Having the assistance of *trained* citizens is invaluable, and is a lot more common than you obviously think. The emergency services are there to help you, not wipe your ass for you.

      And, quite frankly, all these ultra-high tech communications systems the emergency services use are really nice under normal circumstances, but are completely friggin useless when the main systems fail. Many modern vehicle radios *cannot* talk directly to another mobile unit (multi-frequency). The transmission is sent to a tower, and relayed to the other vehicle/handheld. If the tower fails, every radio in the field becomes a high-dollar piece of junk.

      Yes, I do know what I'm talking about, I worked eight years in emergency services, and my wife has over 17 years, and is still working in in the field.

  2. As if /.'ers care by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being a slashdotter means never having to say you're sorry when you ostracize a seemingly archaic, yet dependable, technology that shows its worth when all else fails.

    1. Re:As if /.'ers care by antibryce · · Score: 5, Funny
      Being a slashdotter means never having to say you're sorry when you ostracize a seemingly archaic, yet dependable, technology that shows its worth when all else fails.


      er, I thought we liked UNIX on Slashdot. Did I not get the memo?

      Oh, you meant ham radio! Nevermind...

  3. Whether it's on a hard drive or transmitted... by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...data can never have too many multiple, redundant backups.

  4. Cuz we can't rely on battery backed up cell towers by Astrorunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    sorry, ran out of space in the subject line...

    Many cell towers are equiped with UPSs to work for a couple hours or so, but hardly enough to cover an outage like what we've seen. We've concentrated on building these things cheap. I can't say I blame them -- who expects a two-day-long outage? Even so, many of the backups didn't even work. You could argue that they should have generators for backup, solar panels, gerbil-wheels, or what not, but its our capitalist nature to try and build these things as cheaply as possible.

    I'd argue that, instead of relying on grungy old men with ham radios, that emergency personel should have access to ham radios. It'd probably cost a lot less to do that than to create a telecommunications infrastructure resistant to blackouts.

  5. Got our backup power ready by SuperQ · · Score: 4, Informative

    I keep my HT charged up.. and can plug it into 12v car any time.. Our club repeater has 2 APC's on different parts of the equipment to keep it online for hours. We also have the repeater on a backup generator.

    If the power outage had hit minnesota, I'd be 30 seconds away from my radio, ready to find out where everyone is, and what is going on.

    -KC0NBY

  6. Amateur Radio Obsolete??, Try this by dlmarti · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How would you like a 128k data link to your car:
    http://www.icomamerica.com/amateur/dstar/ind ex.htm l

    Amateur Radio is cutting edge, the thing that makes it seem obsolete is that they never delete old protocols or modes of operation. For example the same guy may use CW to contact Brazil one night, and an OSCAR (Orbital Satellite Carrying Amateur Radio) Satellite to contact France the next.

  7. Was my savior. by niko9 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm a paramedic in NYC, and when the lights went out, I went straight into work at the hospital.

    Before I left the house, I took along my HTX-245 Radio Shack dual band radio ($49 on clearance).
    I tried several repeaters, and an operator on one, informed me that the repeater was up on battery power, he was standing by with a working landline, and was available to us for phone calls in case we needed to contact our telemetry physician.

    The admins and my boss at the hospital were very impressed, more so when the EMS radios went down, and my HTX-245 600mw radio was our only link that time in the field.

    73's N2PDB

    1. Re:Was my savior. by grishnav · · Score: 4, Informative

      No big surprise to us here in Oregon. We saw the value of Amateur Radio as a reliable communications backup years ago. As things stand, if there were a large-scale outage in Oregon, the HEART (Hospital Emergency Amateur Radio Team) would activate, alone with Oregon ARES, and individual hospotials' groups, and provide a reliable infrastructure for the Portland-Metro area hospitals (and more broadly, any Oregon hospitals - and possibly later even interstate hospitals) to communicate

      As things currently stand here, each hospital maintains it's own group of volunteers to staff the hospital, passing communications both between departments internally, and also acting as the voice to the outside world. (I volunteer at Providence Portland for the Disaster Communications Team.) The individual groups (in my case, DCT) interface internally with their home hospital, and externally with their home HEART net to pass traffic between local hospitals (in my case, hospitals in the Portland-Metro area). HEART then acts as the radio infrastructure for local hospitals, and the connection to the district ARES net, which can pass emergency traffic through different parts of the state (via the various nets for each ARES district). In theory, our system could scale up to provide a reliable interstate and even national communications, but I don't see a crisis of that magnitude necessatating it any time soon... Not to mention that I doubt the emergency services between states would cooperate well enough to have it work anyway. :)

      The only gap we haven't filled at this point is Ambulance communications, but groups like Mountain Wave, whom do emergency-service style dispatching in other capacities already, are slowly being recognised as a resource and stepping up to the task. Sadly, that's still probably a ways in the future before actual MOUs are crafted. But we'll see...

  8. shined, shone by spasm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Shone! Shone! Dear God, 'shined' hasn't been used as a past tense since the 1700s!

    So Timothy is a time traveller from the 1700s. That explains a lot of slashdot spelling now that I think about it

    Ok, the coffee is kicking in now.

  9. Ham Joke by cnb · · Score: 5, Funny

    An blonde chick ran out of gas one night and a dude pulled over to offer assistance. She got in the car and noticed he had all kinds of radio equipment in the car and several antennas outside. She asked what that was all about. He explained he was a Ham radio operator and he could talk to anywhere in the world from right here in his car. She asked "Anywhere in the world?" and he assured her he could. "Even in Poland?" she asked. "Yes, even Poland." She said "Wow, my mother lives in Poland and today is her birthday. I'd do anything if I could tell her Happy Birthday." He said "You'd do anything?" She said "Yes, anything." So he pulled over on the top of a hill and pulled out his dick and said "Get with it." She grabbed ahold of it and bent over and said "Happy Birthday, Mom."

  10. Ham radio is there when you need it by Whammy666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even though 99 pct of the time no one thinks about ham radio, in a crisis situation, it's usually the one form of communication that is likely to be still working when it hits the fan. In remote areas, it may be the only communication available even in good times.

    The reason is that our modern communications are very complex and dependent on things like having reliable electrical power. Most ham sets can run on car batteries and provide nationwide or even global coverage if necessary. Voice, video, and data are all possible with ham radio. Just what you need in a crisis.

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  11. Re:It's worth noting... by CharlieG · · Score: 4, Informative

    40 Meters (aka HF) was used between the various OEMs and Albany and Red Cross National

    Disclaimer
    I'm the Queens County Emergency Coordinator of ARES - One of the groups called out. I "work" (2 levels down) for Tom from the article

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    -- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! "You are what you do when it counts" - the Masso
  12. Re:Good use for HAM by niko9 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Your missing the point. Ham radio is there for YOU when you need it most. It's not just blackouts, eathquakes, search and rescue, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis, biblical plagues, it's so much more.

    Almost all the hi tech radio technology you use on a daily basis, has had some direct influence from ham radio. You like WiFi? Who do you think were the primary experimenters in that frequeny range? Who do you think you still share some of that band with?

    What's the best way to get some young people interested in technology and have some direct hands on experience building their own gear?

    Ever see somebody make a repeater out of 2 battery opertaed hand held radios that can extend the range of other portables for miles? Ham's do that on a daily basis when public service departments (Fire, EMS, Police) don't have the resources to do so.

    It's just not widley publicized for some reason.
    I guess it makes sense to take pictures of firefighters in bunker gear (I'm not knocking them) than to see some guy hunched over a couple of radios relaying important info.

    Please check out www.arrl.org to find out more.

  13. You break the usability... by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and you cause people to not get involved. Less involvement means that the system will fall apart.

    If no one is left using the technology because of problems under normal conditions, these people won't be there to save your ass when you need paramedics called and the phones don't work.

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    Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
  14. Re:stupid question by Lxy · · Score: 5, Informative

    A few sites of interest:

    American Relay Radio League
    QRZ

    Hams do lots of things. Most of the time it's general banter, contacting whoever you can contact. Often times it's used as a telephone replacement, since it's easy (and free) to talk to many people at once (aka conference calling). There's also contesting, if you check out the events calendar on the ARRL site I linked to you'll see a bunch of "try to contact as many people in the allotted time according to these rules" type events. While it may seem silly at times, it gives us practice.

    Often times contests require us to run on our own power, give us a limited set of hardware, and the objective is to make contacts. Hmm.. sound like an emergency drill? Hams respond quickly because in all our non-emergency downtime we get practice so jumping on the air in a moment's notice is almost second nature.

    It's mostly covered in the article, but the things that set hams apart are:

    * We always have our own power
    * We know how to conduct ourselves on the radio for maximum efficiency (everyone knows how to take turns reporting etc)
    * We know how our radios work so when they break, we can fix them quickly
    * We can make damn near anything from a coil of wire and a battery in the middle of nowhere

    Yes, McGyver was definitely a ham radio op.

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    There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
    :wq
  15. Re:I don't see the problem... by CharlieG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Right - and the hams are going to invest thousands of dollars for their own gear, and NOT be able to use it except in an emergency, PLUS they won't be able to train with that gear

    Yeah, that makes sense - learn to do something in an emergency situation, instead of working public service events year round, and training "nets" every week.

    Your also only thinking blackouts. When they have forest fires out west - how do they do the long haul radio comms? Yep, hams on HF. When there is a hurricane, how do the storm spotting reports come in - Hams on HF - AGAIN. When The shuttle broke up over Texas, what did NASA and the local PDs find was the ONLY thing that worked out in the rural areas. You guessed it - Hams. When they need to do GIS data logging, what did they use? Hams running a mode called APRS

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    -- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! "You are what you do when it counts" - the Masso
  16. Re:I told you so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I. It's not low tech. It's appropriate tech.

    II. It's the most dependable emergency communcation network in the world.

    III. It requires practicaly NO INFRASTRUCTURE!

    IV. It's CHEAP (total cost to implement, see III)!

    V. It's reliable. It will be operational when all other methods of long distance communication fail.(See II)

    VI. It's democratic.

    VII. It is the first worldwide hacker community.

    IX. It teaches science and technology without being onerous.

    X. It is altruistic (people use their rigs to provide emergency communications for people who could care less about ham radio).

    XI. Unlike commercial broadcasting, it serves the community at all times.

    Those are just a few of the many reasons I admire and apreciate ham radio operators. We should all fight to preserve a portion of the spectrum for the use of these fine folks.

  17. Re:You're an idiot by no_such_user · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Funny... *everyone* I know in the city couldn't use their cell phone reliably from the time the power went out until sometime friday -- and that's only because the power started to be restored at that point. Where I live, we didn't get power back until friday night. My verizon phone, normally with full 1x digital signal strength, was registering ONE BAR of ANALOG service mid day Friday - and wasn't at all usable when I tried to place a call. And I'm fairly certain that the t-mobile cabinet o' gear in the basement of my building doesn't have diesel, and was out of juice by friday morning.

    Meanwhile, I was up and running on ham the entire time. I'm not saying ham radio is for everyone, but it served me well. It's nice to not have to rely upon a third party to transport my voice during an emergency.

  18. You going to train them? Equip them? by TWX · · Score: 5, Informative

    "I'd argue that, instead of relying on grungy old men with ham radios, that emergency personel should have access to ham radios. It'd probably cost a lot less to do that than to create a telecommunications infrastructure resistant to blackouts."

    Not everyone in ham radio is a 'grungy old man'. I'm 23, and I'm licensed. My girlfriend at the time I got into Amateur Radio is licensed, she was who got me interested in the field. A friend of mine in his 30's is licensed, a former employer if mine is licensed, and he was the Systems Architect for a communications project of very large scale.

    You probably know at least one ham radio operator, who probably has some old Kenwood radio somewhere waiting for a need to be used. I don't drive around with five antennas on my car, there is an antenna cable coming into the passenger compartment, but the mount sits in the trunk with the antenna so I can put it up if I feel that I need to use it. I keep good batteries near where I store my radios, and I have one VHF HT for quick use, and one all-mode HT for when real problems hit.

    And besides, are you going to train all of the emergency personnel on how to use the equipment and proper ettiquite? It's not exactly rocket science, but there are enough emergency personnel who would rather worry about learning how to keep critically injured people alive and let someone else do the talking that I'll gladly be one of the 'someone else'.

    And two hours on a cell tower you say? I can go days on a set of batteries on my 2m HT, and a full day on the all-mode, if I have to, and I have enough power to go miles without any relay. I think that's pretty good odds for an extended blackout.

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  19. Amongst the reasons why I'll keep my license... by nvrrobx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I haven't keyed up a radio in a few years, but when my license expires in March of 2004, I'm renewing it.

    It's just one of those things - you never know when you'll need it, but you'll be glad you had it...

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    KE6FTH

  20. Re:Interference from boradband by AntiOrganic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The interference from power-line broadband is capable of travelling hundreds of miles, from places that do have power. This is A Bad Thing.

  21. VAST Differences between the two... by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    HAM requires one to pass an exam to receive an FCC issued callsign, and there are specific rules as to what classes of licenses are allowed as far as frequency, power, transmission type, and the like. HAM radio operators can lose their licenses if they violate the rules, and have their equipment confinscated. The exam for the entry level operator class, "Technician", is 35 questions, and you must answer 26 correctly to pass. It's an easy test, costs $10, and applies your license for ten years before another $10 renewal (for ten more years) is required. There is next a Technician Plus Code class, which gives access to an additional frequency over Technician, and then General, which is higher yet, and more difficult, followed by Amateur-Extra, which is the top license, where you get all HAM-allowed privileges.

    CB, on the other hand, has some 40 "channels", is technically restricted in power to something like one watt or somesuch, and simply requires you to get in line at Radioshack to buy the kit. You are in theory not allowed to talk to someone that you know is more than a certain distance away from you, CB is designed for local communcation only. CB is not allowed repeaters, and those that have tried setting up CB repeater networks have found themselves in trouble with the FCC. The "Channels" are set frequencies that CB operates on, not actual raw stuff like HAM operators deal with. HAM operators get a significantly larger piece of spectrum, with stuff as low as 10Hz, and up in the GHz range at the top, with all kinds of pieces in between. CB gets it's one section around 10m or 11m or something like that.

    Basically, HAM Radio requires you to follow some rules in exchange for significant privileges, CB is a toy.

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  22. mod parent down by metatruk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yeah, okay. I am not sure of any ham radio based ISPs in the US, however, such a thing would be illegal and impractical for several reasons:
    First of all, it is illegal to use amateur radio as a commercial service.
    * It's illegal to use encryption or voice scrambling over amateur radio. This would make things like https, ssl, and ssh, illegal to use over the service.
    * the customers of the service would have to have amateur radio licenses as well as the ISP.
    * It is illegal to transmit profanity over amateur radio.

    Please moderate this appropriately (down)

  23. Re:I told you so! by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You only need HAM radio once in a while, but there is no substitute for it's low-tech ability to keep communicating.

    Another great thing about plain old analogue radio is that it can be implemented using discrete componets in a military-grade package for around 20 lbs. Repariablilty of such a solution is far superior to integrated electronics.

    Might not make a difference under normal circumstances, but when faced with things blowing to bits right and left you sure are glad you don't have to locate IC637247 (random name there) to repair the damn thing!

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    .: Max Romantschuk :: http://max.romantschuk.fi/
  24. It isn't real? Tell that to the RACES teams... by TWX · · Score: 5, Informative

    "I'd much rather have a REAL backup system than spend money reducing power line interference for HAM radio operators."

    This isn't real?

    Looks pretty organised to me. RACES (for HAM Radio) and REACT (for CB et al.) have been organized for quite some time. They provide coordinated relay of information when a natural disaster (or worse) occurs. They're usually up and running within minutes, and they listen for emergency transmissions from other operators, to forward to the right authorities. Sounds like a good system to me...

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  25. Disagree by hughk · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I can't believe how many of my fellow hams fail to appreciate the danger in this kind of post-crisis breastbeating.
    This kind of event helps to show that the hams aren't just sitting on 'valuable real-estate' in the EM spectrum.
    If the cell phone networks were overloaded while the ham channels were not, then the obvious solution (to anyone but a ham) is to take some of that underutilized ham spectrum and give it to the needy cellular networks!
    The needy cellular networks were off-air because they were too infrastructure dependent. Interestingly enough, the emergency services are well trained in what they do, but that doesn't leave much room for knowing their communication systems (which often don't work so well during major emergencies). Hams who have been in one of the emergency nets are trained to make the best use of communications (keep messages short and share the frequency).

    All the technology that you quote apart from satellites requires considerable infrastructure that simply doesn't work or is overloaded during an emergency. Satellite terminals work very well in open country, but they don't like high buildings. A friend of mine had a portable INMARSAT terminal to provide emergency communications. He had to go onto a roof to use it. LEO (Iridium-style) is better, but it still has problems amongst the 'canyon walls' formed by high-rise buildings.

    You accuse hams of being stuck in the past. Please remember that the hobby is tightly regulated by the FCC. The fights to even get packet radio accepted took a lot of time.

    Yes, the training aspect that you mention is important, but the ability of amateurs to provide emergency support is probably still their best justification for the EM spectrum they occupy.

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  26. What in the F?! by TitaniumFox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've got a few karma points to burn, and you need to be beaten with a clue stick. I suggest you start with the ARRL.

    To call amateur radio operators simply hobbiests does them a disservice. They're licensed by the FCC. Listen on your local repeater the next time some severe thunderstorms roll through. I bet you'll hear a SKYWARN net, courtesy of your local ARES group. What's ARES? This is. They are volunteers that work closely with the National Weather Service. If you're lucky enough to still have an active RACES group in your area, I suggest you go look at that site. FEMA, or the Federal Emergency Management Agency, is the governing body that provides assistance to the local governing bodies, specifically the civil defence bodies that sponsor RACES groups.

    Enough examples? No?

    Check out an Army or Navy MARS site and note that you can pass a MARSGRAM to any service member, anywhere, through the network of MARS operators. As an amateur radio operator, it was pretty cool to sit (once) at the MARS gateway in Frankfurt, Germany while I was in the Army. More than a handful of messages that came through were on their way to soldiers in Bosnia.

    If your metro area lost traditional communications, your local hams would post themselves at the Red Cross, any hospitals, police and fire stations and keep communications going. In fact, this is what they did in New York after the towers came down.

    Guess what else. We're volunteers. We don't get paid. In fact, we CAN'T get paid for our radio services. Go read the rules: 47 CFR 97.113(2)

    P.S. It says no radio transmissions for hire.

    That means every radio operator is out there during emergencies because they want to be. They take an active interest in the community they're serving. They invest in their own rigs and the generators to run them so that they might one day HELP YOU, as well as give them an outlet for their interests. That's a damn sight more dedicated than your whiny, milktoast ass.

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    -- I'd say your post was about 3 monkeys, 18 minutes.
    1. Re:What in the F?! by stangbat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You have summarized the sentiments I was trying to get across in my post the last time this subject came up (and you did it much better than I did or could).

      Ignorant people criticize things they don't understand. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your views) hams look out the ingorant folks too. The people who wouldn't notice if hams were gone are going to be the first ones bitching when the chips are down and you need emergency service coordination or a backup for emergency communications. They will be the ones asking "Why doesn't our government have a backup plan?" Well, despite the best laid plans, backups sometimes fail and our government (local and federal) is notoriously short sited in spending the money for such things (Gee, do I have to give examples of this?) Hams fill the gaps quietly and much better than government ever could.

      It is nice to know that hams are covering our collective asses and doing it for free and little to no recognition. As TitaniumFox stated, listen to the local repeater when the next severe storm comes in. You'll get better information quicker than what you ever hear from your local news or on NOAA weather radio. The hams are the ones out there reporting what the talking head on the news station is telling you. The talking head is getting their info from trained spotters who do this work for free to save your ignorant butt. And those trained spotters are almost always amateur radio operators.

      Gee, sounds like some of these "hobbyists" may have more to offer the community than most Slashdot posters. (Go look in the mirror).

      I'll stop my rant. "73" to those who know what the hell I am talking about.