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SCO: Code Proof Analyzed, Linus Interviewed

Arker writes "Bruce Perens has now obtained a copy of the entire slide show from which the recently scrutinized SCO-related Linux code excerpts came, and has analyzed the remainder of the 'evidence' they presented there. Their other code exhibit turns out to have been the venerable Berkeley Packet Filter(!), and their revised line-counts are consistent with simply adding together all the lines of code that have been contributed by Unix licensees." Also, Iphtashu Fitz writes "A new interview with Linus Torvalds has been posted on eWeek.com. In it he slams SCO over the recently leaked source code. Among other things, he points out in the interview that some of the code in question has been removed from the 2.6 kernel ['because developers complained about how "ugly" it was'] before SCO even started complaining."

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  1. Mirror by inertia187 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Man, the site's already slow even though it's "slashdot effect ready" (har). Here's a couple mirrors:
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  2. Slashdotted already by bloatboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    I copied/pasted.

    Analysis of SCO's Las Vegas Slide Show
    Bruce Perens, Perens LLC
    With help from Linus Torvalds and the Open Source community.

    You may re-publish this material. You may excerpt it, reformat it and translate it as necessary for your presentation. You may not edit it to deliberately misrepresent my opinion.

    An SCO presentation shown in Las Vegas on August 18th alleged infringement by the Linux developers. The presentation, in Microsoft PowerPoint format is here, and an conversion of the presentation that can be viewed using a web browser is here .

    SCO released the presentation to Bob McMillan, a reporter for IDG News Service, without any non-disclosure terms. Bob asked me to comment upon it. here's his story.
    I will start with SCO's demonstrations regarding "copied" software. It is likely that SCO would present the very best examples that they have of "copied" code in their slide show. But I was easily able to determine that of the two examples, one isn't SCO's property at all, and the other is used in Linux under a valid license. If this is the best SCO has to offer, they will lose.

    Slide 15 shows purports to show "Obfuscated Copying" from Unix System V into Linux. SCO further obfuscated the code on this slide by switching it to a Greek font, but that was easily undone. It's entertaining that the SCO folks had no clue that the font-change could be so easily reversed. I'm glad they don't work on my computer security :-)

    The code shown in this slide implements the Berkeley Packet Filter, internet firewall software often abbreviated as "BPF". SCO doesn't own BPF. It was created at the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory with funding from the U.S. Government, and is itself derived from an older version called "enet", developed by Stanford and Carnegie-Mellon Universities. BPF was first deployed on the 4.3 BSD system produced by the University of California at Berkeley. SCO later copied the software into Unix System V.

    The BPF source code is here on the Lab's web site. A paper on its design, published in 1993, is here

    BPF is under the BSD license. That license allowed SCO to legally copy the code into Unix System V in 1996, but since SCO doesn't own the code, they have no right to prevent others from using it.

    So, in this case the SCO "pattern-recognition" team correctly deduced that the Linux and SCO implementations of BPF were similar. But I was able to determine the origin of BPF after a few minutes of web searches on google.com . Why couldn't a "pattern-recognition team" do the same? It's difficult to believe they simply didn't bother to check. It's also likely that SCO dropped attribution of the Lab's copyright from the System V copy of the BPF source code, or the team would have known.

    The Linux version of BPF is not an obfuscation of the BPF code. It is a clean-room re-implementation of BPF by Jay Schulist of the Linux developers, sharing none of the original source code, but carefully following the documentation of the Lab's product. The System V and Linux BPF versions shown in slide 15 implement the same virtual machine instruction set, which is used to filter (allow, reject, change, or reroute) internet packets. And the documentation for that VM even specifies field names. Thus Schulist's and the Lab's implementations appear similar. Had Schulist chosen to directly use the Lab's code, it still would have been legal. But the version in Linux is entirely original to the Linux developers. There is no legal theory that would give SCO any claim upon it.

    Slides 10 through 14 show memory allocation functions from Unix System V, and their correspondence to very similar material in Linux. Some of this material was deliberately obfuscated by SCO, by the use of a Greek font. I've switched that text back to a normal font.

    These slides have several C syntax errors and would never compile. So, they don't quite represent any source code in Linux. But we've found the code they refer to

  3. I hate to say it, but the rebuttal article has by thammoud · · Score: 4, Informative

    misinformation. For example,

    "SCO's legal theory fails, because they ignore the fact that if a work doesn't contain some portion of SCO's copyrighted code, it is not a derived work. This is especially glaring on slide 20, in which SCO claims ownership of JFS, IBM's Journaling File System. The version of JFS used in Linux was originally developed for the OS/2 operating system"

    JFS actually came from AIX to OS/2 and not the other way around. Do a google search on "JFS OS/2 AIX" and you can confirm this. e.g

    http://freshmeat.net/projects/jfs/?topic_id=142

    Tarek

    1. Re:I hate to say it, but the rebuttal article has by Arker · · Score: 5, Informative

      IIRC, it was originally developed for AIX, yes, but the OS/2 version was not a port, it was a clean room implementation from the spec sheet instead. And it was the OS/2 code that was the basis for the Linux port. So, in fact, the article is correct.

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    2. Re:I hate to say it, but the rebuttal article has by sjbcfh · · Score: 5, Informative
      JFS actually came from AIX to OS/2 and not the other way around. Do a google search on "JFS OS/2 AIX" and you can confirm this.

      Or you can go straight to the source (no pun intended).

      The relevant portion:

      Historically, the JFS1 file system is very closely tied to the memory
      manager of AIX. This design is typical of a closed-source operating
      system, or a file system supporting only one operating system.

      The new Journaled File System, on which the Linux port was based, was
      first shipped in OS/2 Warp Server for eBusiness in April, 1999, after
      several years of designing, coding, and testing. It also shipped with
      OS/2 Warp Client in October, 2000. In parallel to this effort, some
      of the JFS development team returned to the AIX Operating System
      Development Group in 1997 and started to move this new JFS source base
      to the AIX operating system. In May, 2001, a second journaled file
      system, Enhanced Journaled File System (JFS2), was made available for
      AIX 5L. In December of 1999, a snapshot of the original OS/2 JFS
      source was taken and work was begun to port JFS to Linux.
    3. Re:I hate to say it, but the rebuttal article has by Arker · · Score: 5, Informative

      Subject: Re: XFS vs. JFS
      Subject: Re[2]: XFS vs. JFS
      See also Q1 on the JFS FAQ from IBM.

      Basically the original implementation was too tightly tied to specific AIX features. So a spec was written and given to the OS/2 team, who were completely separate from the AIX team, and they wrote a clean implementation avoiding such problems. This OS/2 implementation, then, was ported to both AIX and Linux. The original AIX implementation is dead, and has been for some time. All implementations in current use are based on the clean room work by the OS/2 team.

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  4. Call the FTC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Repeating this from the last SCO story, needs more exposure...

    I just got off the phone with the FTC. If everyone calls and complains then the chances they will investigate SCO goes up. They look for patterns. In other words, if the majority of their calls are about SCO then they will investigate. It is time to take the Slashdot effect to the phones.

    These are the key points to make:

    -You did not purchase software from SCO
    -The company that "produced" your software did not purchase it from SCO
    -It was not marketed or packaged by SCO
    -Despite this SCO is asking for $199 from home users (You) and $699 from business for 1 CPU

    They will ask for your name, phone number, address etc. That is mostly to verify your identity and citizenship I think.

    Here is the number:

    1-877-382-4357 option 4

    They are nice and listen well. The lady I talked to even took the time to get a better understanding of what Linux is. The best quote from her "You didn't purchase it from them and they want you to pay them? That sounds crazy."
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    Call FTC 1-877-382-4357 opt 4
    -You didn't buy from SCO
    -Vendor didn't either
    -They want $199 ...

    Here's some information that may help. They actually asked for this info:

    The SCO Group
    355 South 520 West
    Suite 100
    Lindon, Utah 84042

    801-765-4999 phone

    The guy I spoke with was actually somewhat familiar with what Linux is. One of his first questions was how this company got involved with me, which my answer was "Well, that's the problem. They didn't."

    He eventually asked if SCO has contacted me personally with regard to this situation, which they have not. Don't lie to them. Be completely truthful. At the end of the call I got a reference number, and he said that if SCO does contact me personally, I should call back and let them know.

    It was very easy to do, and took about 5 minutes of my time. The recording while I wated for the counselor to pick up the phone did say that the FTC does track trends in complaints. If we get enough people to complain, something will happen. Please, take a few minutes and call!

    1. Re:Call the FTC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:Call the FTC! by demachina · · Score: 4, Informative

      > It might be a good idea to write to the Utah attorney general office as well.

      I did this last week as well as the AG in NY, Eliot Spitzer and my home state AG. I received a reply from Utah yesterday. The gist of the response was they viewed it as a Federal copyright law issue and not in their domain, it was up to the courts to decide or congress to change the copyright laws. They suggested I contact a congressman.

      I haven't given up yet since they overlooked the main issue in my inquiry, that SCO is demanding money from consumers under threat of legal action, which borders on extortion, and that they today have shown their infringement claims are, at least so far, false. I also pointed out the possibility Microsoft is using SCO as a proxy in an effort to exterminate one of the few remaining threats to their monopoly.

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  5. You missed one link, there.... by Anthony+Boyd · · Score: 4, Informative

    In Bruce's commentary, there was a link to an Infoworld article/interview with Bruce. It's pretty good. Bruce disputes SCO's claims, and the reporter didn't minimize/trivialize it. Coupled with the eWeek interview, I think we might stand a fighting chance in the court of public opinion.

  6. "treated .. as" by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Such right to use includes the right to modify such SOFTWARE PRODUCT and to prepare derivative works based on such SOFTWARE PRODUCT, provided the resulting materials are treated hereunder as part of the original SOFTWARE PRODUCT.

    Personally, I find this very subject to multiple interpretations. Nothing in the contract explicitly grants ownership of derivatives to ATT, so IBM could argue that even without the amendment that grants ownership of derivatives to IBM, nothing gives ownership of the derivatives to SCO. This might be important for code developed at Sequent.

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    1. Re:"treated .. as" by rking · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't think there's any way that you could interpret that paragraph as granting ownership of derivatives to AT&T (or to SCO) and I don't think that even SCO are trying to claim that it does, at least not in their court claims (their PR contains all manner of gibberish).

      What that paragraph does say is that the derivative works are covered by the same terms of that contract as the original software is. The contract requires that the original code is not disclosed to others. Thus, the derivatives also cannot be disclosed to others.

      Remember, this case is about trade secrets and breach of contracts not about copyright violations. SCO are not claiming to own the copyright to the derivatives, they are claiming that IBM is contractually prohibited from publishing the code.

      Their argument is still wrong because code that is linked to theirs is not derivative of theirs when separated out and containing none of theirs.

  7. Re:Removed from the code by Doomdark · · Score: 5, Informative
    Even if the code wasn't in there at all, but they examined the original SCO code in order to create their own, that would still be in violation of their IP rights.

    This is a common misunderstanding; thinking that there is something fundamentally wrong or illegal with reverse-engineering (be that examining source code or binaries). Like another poster pointed out, the only mechanism that could protect against "monkey see monkey do" would be trade secret registration.

    For patents, it does not matter if you saw something and reimplemented it, or even created it yourself from the scratch. Copyright only protects against unauthorized copying, not against reimplementations.

    The whole clean-room reimplementation idea was an overkill created by Compaq lawyers, when they were cloning IBM PC. They wanted to be 150% sure everything was legal, since they were dealing with a high-tech behemoth, with ample resources to use on lawyering. Doing clean-room development is plenty good for avoiding potential trouble, but it is not a requirement of any sort (more like a sterilized man using a condom).

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  8. Re:FSF disagrees with Parens by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 3, Informative
    I don't quite understand, is it possible you could elaborate on this a little more?

    There are two BSD licenses. The original BSD license had a clause that said that if you mentioned features of the software in ads, you had to mention that the code came from UCB. The current BSD license does not have this clause.

    The FSF says that the original BSD license is not compatible with the GPL, because of this clause. Here is where FSF says this.

    The license that Caldera used when they released some of the code Parens is talking about is very similar to the original BSD license. Here is that license.

    If the FSF is correct about the advertising clause making such a license incompatible with the GPL, then it means that Linux does have a problem. When you mix code under the GPL and code that is under an incompatible license, you have to get special permission from the copyright owners of the GPL'ed code. You can't just take GPL'ed code and use it in such a mixed environment.

  9. See The Tanenbaum-Torvalds Debate by polished+look+2 · · Score: 4, Informative
  10. Re:I think we speak for all of us: by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 4, Informative

    They're saying that the jump from 2.2 to 2.6 an "Improbable Linux Development Path". For me, a non-kernel hacker, can someone explain why this particular point isn't true? Or do you have to pull from many examples in order to prove otherwise?

    I agree it's improbable, but that doesn't change the fact that it happened, and we did it ourselves. The big lie is that it happened by incorporating SCO's code or ideas. I know that's ridiculous, because I was there for almost the whole period in question, working on my little parts of the kernel, but also watching others work on theirs, talking with them, seeing the ideas develop and patches take shape. In fact, this stuff is all in the public record, it's in the linux kernel mailing list archives, particularly the work on SMP and NUMA.

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  11. GPL by maroberts · · Score: 3, Informative

    In other comments here, it has been suggested that because GPL'ed code does not have a dollar value tagged with it, it has no value and thuis estimating damages is impossible. This is simply untrue.

    In a breach of the GPL, a person/ company/ organisation is selling GPL'ed code for a dollar amount. It is thus charging for software that the user could obtain for free. THIS dollar amount is the figure which could be used as a basis for damages. Also, equivalent software to GPL'ed code has a development cost, a marketing cost and a general overhead cost.

    It should be remembered that damages are often based on an ESTIMATE of the value; for example, the RIAA in charging $100,000 per song is simply making an estimate; there is no reason GPL'ed code should be any different.

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  12. Re:Linus Pulls no Punches by Error27 · · Score: 5, Informative
    IBM has four patent claims to cover SCO's four most important products. IBM chose the four patents out of hundreds of possible patents that SCO infringes on. The patents they chose are meant to serve as a warning.
    • IBM has patent on a compression technique that SCI uses everywhere and so it will take months and months to remove.
    • IBM patented a tiny feature in an email program from an operating system that is distributed with hundreds of programs. All the programs probably infringe on IBM patents.
    • IBM has the patent for the start menu... And everything else as well.
    • IBM owns the patent for the whole idea behind SCO's clusterring software, and legally they can shut SCO down.

    The idea is it only takes four patent to shut SCO down and IBM can find more if it has to.

  13. We should all sue SCO... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Without warranty or representation as to particular merit, I would like to offer the following suggestion and form:

    Every linux end user should sue SCO asking for a declaratory judgment regarding their ability to use linux under the GPL vs. SCO's claims. Please review the form with an attorney of your choice to make sure that it is appropriate in your jurisdiction, of course.

    SCO is likely to drop the ball somewhere, and one, just one, default judgment would ruin their day. Plus, being sued in thousands of jurisdictions would be just wonderful. Spend your "license" fee on filing and service costs instead:


    ACTION FOR DECLARATORY JUDGMENT
    COMPLAINT

    AND NOW, TO WIT, this ____ day of August, 2003, comes the Plaintiff, ______________ ("Plaintiff"), who files this Complaint as follows:
    1. The Plaintiff is an individual with a residence located at ______.
    2. Defendant, The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO") is a Delaware Corporation, with a primary place of business located at 355 South 520 West, Suite 100, Lindon, Utah 84042.
    3. SCO is a major corporation, listed on the NASDAQ exchange under the symbol "SCOX", which sells operating systems and web services.
    4. It is believed, and therefore averred, that Defendant has engaged in, and continues to engage in, a continuous and substantial course of business within _______(state and county).
    5. SCO has threatened to sue individual users of software which SCO claims ownership or control over. The software in question is allegedly contained in Linux kernel 2.4.
    6. Plaintiff uses personal computers that are capable of running Linux.
    7. Linux is a UNIX-like computer operating system that enables computer users to run applications to perform standard computing tasks, such as word processing, accessing the internet, playing games, etc.
    8. The centerpiece of Linux is the "kernel" which handles basic operating system functions, such as memory allocation, access to hardware resources, and other similar functions.
    9. The current Linux kernel is version number 2.4 with a new version, number 2.6, in development.
    10. Linux is commonly represented to the public as being a product that contains software code which is either entirely original or which is in the public domain or which is appropriately licensed.
    11. Linux is developed by a group of volunteers.
    12. Linux is distributed subject to the terms of the GNU Public License ("GPL") (See Exhibit A).
    13. All distributors of Linux are required to distribute the source code that they are selling subject to the terms of the GPL.
    14. The GPL terms require that any computer source code released under its terms be distributed freely and for free.
    15. SCO has raised a number of allegations in a variety of judicial forums stating that it claims to own or otherwise control intellectual property which SCO alleges has been wrongfully incorporated into the Linux kernel since at least version 2.4 of Linux was distributed.
    16. To wit, SCO has sued IBM in federal court over IBM's alleged participation in incorporating proprietary software into Linux kernel 2.4.
    17. SCO has distributed Linux for years for free, including kernel 2.4.
    18. Plaintiff believes, and therefore avers, that SCO was bound by the terms of the GNU Public License, which would therefore prevent SCO from claiming ownership or control of any software which SCO released under the GPL.
    19. SCO knew, or should have known, what source code was in the software it distributed, especially since it distributed the source code as part of its a Linux product it sold and continues to distribute.
    20. SCO refuses to publicly identify which elements of the source code of Linux kernel 2.4 it claims ownership and/or control of, thereby preventing parties from excising any "tainted" code from the Linux kernel 2.4.
    21. Any intellectual property SCO may believe was improperly included in Linux kernel 2.4 was distributed by SCO in its own Linux 2.4 kernel and distribution.
    22. SCO has distrib

  14. SCO responds to Linus; Phil Hughes dares SCO ... by Vedanti · · Score: 3, Informative
    In this (http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/08/21/132219.sh tml?tid=23) story in Newsforge, response of SCO is given. Also Linux Journal publisher Phil Hughes "in an open letter to SCO, Hughes identified his firm as a Linux user and invited SCO to sue them."

    Here is the email resposne SCO sent to newsforge ...

    • To clarify, the code we showed in Vegas was Unix System V code that was copied line for line from UNIX into Linux. It was contributed by a UNIX licensee, which was not IBM. It was shown not to build our case against IBM, but it was shown to identify that there are issues with Linux. Linus can have his opinion of Darl McBride and what was shown, but ultimately, we will have to show our proof in a court setting and convince a jury that we have been wronged by IBM, not this other UNIX licensee that we showed the code from. That will be a separate issue.
    • As the company that owns the UNIX System V source code, we think we're sufficiently qualified to identify this code.

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