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BBC to Put Entire Radio & TV Archive Online

An anonymous reader writes "The BBC is to to put it's entire radio and television archive online, free for everyone, as the BBC Creative Archive." The article is a little thin on how far back these archives go, but regardless, this is a gigantic amount of data, and to see it go online, and open to the public is very cool.

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  1. Re:BBC currently uses realmedia by garcia · · Score: 4, Informative

    considering that he mentions that because of the availability of broadband as being one of the methods that allows this to happen, I doubt that they will continue to cater to the 56k realmedia format.

  2. Re:Three words: Ben Ny Hill!!! by tc · · Score: 2, Informative

    Benny Hill wasn't a BBC show. It was shown on ITV and made by the (now defunct) Thames Television (my father was a cameraman on it for a while).

  3. Re:Will this actually include *entertainment*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    MPAA == Motion Picture Ass. (pun intended) of America

    BBC == British Broadcasting Corporation

    Britian != America

    Conclusion: MPAA can go fist themselves.

  4. How far back the archives go by Beniamino · · Score: 5, Informative

    [History of the BBC]

    The BBC was founded in 1922. They broadcast radio only until 1936 when they started their first TV channel. A lot of cool stuff.

    1. Re:How far back the archives go by Wolfbone · · Score: 3, Informative
      The BBC has never stopped radio broadcasts - if you check out this you will find several channels including an excellent serious music station (radio 3). Click on any audio stream link and you get a BBC gui wrapper for the realplayer streams with lots of links to tons of archived stuff too including the superb Reith Lectures 2003 featuring V.S. Ramachandran.

      By the way, many of us Brits have pressured them to give us Ogg streams in the past and they even actually did so for a while but they have been very stuffy about I.P. issues.

      Sadly they tend to commission much of the new stuff from external companies which insist on the use of Real streams to protect their I.P. So not only do we suffer this but whatever turns up in these archive releases is not likely to be added to significantly in the future.

      It wouldn't surprise me if the Helix/Real stuff gets released around the time this archive comes online either. Then they'll have an excuse never to provide decent Ogg streams. I don't know about anyone else but I am not so easily fooled by a few coins thrown into the crowd by the benevolent panjandrums at the BBC. Everyone seems to think they're just going to dump the whole archive on a server and say "Help yourselves chaps and chappesses" - more likely they'll turn it into a number of managed channels. Anyway, the BBC should be making the programmes itself or using it's vast power to demand the I.P. rights of the stuff it commissions.

  5. Hitchhiker's guide!? by JordanH · · Score: 4, Informative
    If this includes the original Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy Radio shows from the early 80's this would be GREAT!

    Everybody I know who heard those broadcasts agrees that it was the best HHGTG of all. I don't believe they've ever been released exactly as originally broadcast. Transcripts are available of those shows, but these miss the subtle music and audio effects that made the show really wonderful. I know I was disappointed with some audio tapes I purchased years later.

    I've never been interested in ripping off Douglas Adams, or his family, by downloading mp3s that purport to be copies of the original show.

    1. Re:Hitchhiker's guide!? by gidds · · Score: 5, Informative
      I don't believe they've ever been released exactly as originally broadcast.

      [fx: glances over at CD box sets of the two series, (c) BBC Worldwide 1996]

      Er... excuse me?

      Well, technically, you're right; I believe that there were some very minor changes; especially to the last couple of episodes which were recorded and mixed in a terrible hurry. But they are substantially as broadcast, and certainly what the original producers intended.

      And if these CDs really aren't available where you are (which I suspect they are), I expect that at least some of the MP3s out there are from them. (Not that I'm condoning that kind of thing, of course...)

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  6. Re:BBC Gnomes by RonnyJ · · Score: 2, Informative

    Even if you managed to find the mysterious 2nd step, the BBC is a non-profit organisation, which is exactly why it can do something like this.

  7. Re:Remember who's paying for this! by Makarakalax · · Score: 2, Informative
    EVERY BBC programme is now rpeceded by 5 minutes of incredibly annoying cross-promotional waffle for its own programmes, and more annoyingly, for books and other tie ins, including digital content that many viewers cannot receive


    Yeah this is true, but at least programs do not have breaks in the middle. Films are ruined by ad breaks, and boy is the Simpsons better without 10 minutes of car-ads interspersed.

    Also while it's true they advertise their own products, I would be rather miffed if they didn't advertise their own programs as I'd never find out about anything. Anyway they've just demonstrated that they are more concerned with people enjoying their content than making money so I forgive them advertising their paid for content, they obviously need some extra income.

    Advertising the digital content is annoying, but bear in mind analog TV will cease completely in a few years. I wouldn't be surprised if the Government is forcing the beeb to advertise digital TV to encourage adoption. If not they still need to encourage adoption, so I forgive them again.

    Hmmm.. can the beeb do anything wrong in my eyes? Perhaps not.
  8. Re:Future BBC Funding by RonnyJ · · Score: 2, Informative

    The BBC is funded by a single licence fee per household, not by the number of TVs. You only need pay it in the UK if you use a TV to view television material (I believe console use is excluded, but significantly also if you view such material on the internet, so if you watch it, the licence fee will still be legally required, even if you don't have a TV.

  9. Re:BBC Gnomes by CComMack · · Score: 2, Informative

    Even non-profit organizations need to have annual revenues (donations, etc) >= costs or else they wouldn't very long

    Obviously you're not a Brit. The BBC's revenue comes from the television license fee, a standard part of the landscape in the UK.

  10. Re:What and when? by xmedar · · Score: 3, Informative

    The government recently announced that it would have an review of the BBCs online activities, a clear retaliation over the Kelly affair.

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  11. Re:Will this actually include *entertainment*? by dJCL · · Score: 1, Informative

    will it really include every episode of Doctor Who

    They don't actually have every episode of a lot of older stuff. They decided a while back that the archives had no value and started destroying it. This is a real pain for collectors like me, but something we have to work with. Still, I'm hoping that thay will be able to flesh out my collection some(as i'm broke).

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  12. In the Savage Wasteland known as Canada ... by Hal+The+Computer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here in Canada the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) offers some of it's shows (Quirks and Quarks) in .ogg format. And at least their radio messages have no commercials! (net even "sponsorship acknowledgements.")

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  13. Parts of programmes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but this may not be the entire archive but only parts of certain TV and radio broadcasts mainly for educational purposes. Quoting the speech given my Greg Dyke:

    "We intend to allow parts of our programmes, where we own the rights, to be available to anyone in the UK to download so long as they don't use them for commercial purposes."

    Read the entire speech: here.

  14. Canadian Broadcast Corp. (CBC) archives online by Lust · · Score: 5, Informative

    CBC has archives back to 1938 online HERE. The radio broadcasts from the front line of WW II are really something.

  15. Re:This would be great! by Jon+Chatow · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a diagram showing the BBC's overall network architecture.
    This is a set of graphs of their current RealMedia throughput usage.
    This is a set of graphs of their current overall Internet throughput.

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  16. Re:Will this actually include *entertainment*? by TomV · · Score: 3, Informative

    They decided a while back that the archives had no value and started destroying it

    It's more accurate to say that in the 1970's, in a nasty funding squeeze and an incipient recession, and with no market yet existing for repeats, no domestic videotape yet, only three domestic TV channels, the BBC couldn't afford enough videotape to keep operating and to continue operating except by recycling the tapes they already had. And with Colour being new and wonderful, the archives of old B&W stuff that they wouldn't ever use again, I mean who would watch it anyway, was a good place to start the recycling.

    There's a lot of stuff come back from overseas broadcasters, but there are still several complete episodes missing, such as Tenth Planet ep4, all but eps 5 and 10 of The Daleks' Masterplan, and complete stories including Power Of The Daleks, Evil Of The Daleks, Marco Polo, Galaxy 4, Fury From the Deep, The Highlanders.

    TomV

  17. Re:AWESOME, yet so many questions...? by pigscanfly.ca · · Score: 2, Informative

    IANAL
    there a goverment agency . If they are to be sued they must be sued under british law .They can be sued in the US , however they must be showed to be "doing business in the US" . Past legal precedent shows that meerly offering something for free download to people in the US does not establish you as doing business in the US .

    On a side note british law (along with canadian law) imposes a mutch shorter period in witch a public agency must be challanged than that of an individual (its a couple of months in some situations) .

  18. Re:What and when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    David Kelly was a UK Government scientist. He leaked information to the BBC to the effect that the Government has embelished a report originally from the intelligence services so as to overstate the threat from Saddam Hussein and thus to gain support for war. The scientist's name got out, apparently deliberately leaked by the Government, he became the focus of a lot of questions, and he killed himself.

    These events are currently the subject of a judicial enquiry.

    The Government and the BBC both have a lot at stake in defending their integrity. Was the BBC's reporting accurate? Did they place too much reliance on a single source of evidence? Could they have done more to conceal their source of evidence? Did the Government deliberately deceive parliament / the public / each other in order to go to war? (separate question from whether the war was a good idea, though positions on the two tend to run together) and so on.

    In general the public has more faith in the BBC than in the Government and any very obvious move to retaliate is likely to hurt the Government. I suspect they have a lot of room for more subtle attacks though.

  19. Re:What and when? by xmedar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just to slightly correct you here, he "allegedly" killed himself, his death is at the very least suspicious in that he was found with a bottle of painkillers that are easily overdosed on, causing respitory arrest and his wrist was slashed as well. It maybe that he did kill himself, though that is not proven, and before the war Dr. Kelly said he would be found dead in the woods if Iraq was invaded. The documents released so far in the Hutton enquiry can be found here and include such interesting information as the government attempting to ensure that Dr. Kelly was not questioned about the status of Iraqs WMD programmes in his testimony before Parliamentry commitees, as his informed opinion contradicted the government line that Iraq was a "current and ongoing threat" as the PM stated and as the PMs chief of staff said he might say some uncomfortable things.

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  20. THE YOUNG ONES!!!! by magores · · Score: 2, Informative

    The BBC at its finest.