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Mac OS X: State Of The Browsers

NetCurl writes "Ars Technica is running a Macintosh Browser Smackdown feature. We've come a long way in the OS X browser experience, and the article delves into the details like only Ars can. This is a great breakdown of nine browsers in all. Let the browser war reignite..."

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  1. iCab by azav · · Score: 2, Informative

    One great point about iCab that I love is the potential for Ad blocking. The filter is easy to screw up but once you learn how to use it. It's great.

    This is an incomplete browser but I use it for pages I know it works on because of the ad blocking.

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  2. Re:The best part about this by daeley · · Score: 3, Informative

    And it's a good thing those options exist since IE is no longer going to be developed.

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  3. Real world experience by ihatewinXP · · Score: 5, Informative

    Signing up for classes at uncc.edu my browser (Safari) was halted by a message saying that browserX was not accpeted and that I should try again with IE 5 for mac or Netscape 4.7. being that this is a brand new (as of this summer) site I felt it was early enough that my cries might be heard. So i dropped a letter catching the computing staff up on Apple browsers.

    1st point - IE for mac is dead. dont tell me my only choice is to use a dead browser
    2nd point - Netscape for mac is dead. dont tell me my only other choice is a dead browser.

    After clearing this up I mentioned that Safari is now the default browser for Apple computers, that it works flawlessly with both my banks, and that if you want to include netscape in the list stick with Mozilla. If any browser besides Safari survives on the Apple platform it will be Mozilla based (sorry OmniWeb, I pray the switch to WebKit keeps you guys going).

    And ill be damned they actually wrote me back, asked a few questions, and updated the site.

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    1. Re:Real world experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Cool that they responded, but for those sites that don't you can also fake Safari's user agent HTTP header. This is done from the Debug menu, which can enable in a number of ways:

      - use one of the utilities that plays around with Safari (check versiontracker)
      - use the defaults command from the shell: "defaults write com.apple.Safari EnableDebugMenu 1" or something like that
      - use vi or another editor to edit Safari's XML preference file (while it's not running) and add a key called "EnableDebugMenu" with value "True" (this is the same thing the above command will do)

      Next time you launch Safari it'll have a Debug menu on the right, from which you can set the reported user-agent.

    2. Re:Real world experience by Kyro · · Score: 2, Informative

      Slightly OT but it's actually:

      % defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1

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  4. Check the nightlies. by mikedaisey · · Score: 4, Informative


    There's also been an immense amount of improvements to Camino since 0.7--if you download one of the nightlies you'll see big speed improvements and stability. The nightlies are building on Moz 1.4, as opposed to 1.0 for the 0.7 release. Makes a big difference.

    1. Re:Check the nightlies. by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 3, Informative

      Camino/Chimera was my full time browser up until the first public release of the Safari beta with tabs (build v72 I think). While both browsers had good rendering engines and tabs, what drove me to adopt Safari was the responsiveness of the UI. Before Safari was released, Camino seemed fine to me. However, the advent of Safari spoiled me as the UI seemed infinitely more responsive. That, combined with the apparent slowdown in Camino development, has kept me on Safari since. However...

      Per your advice, I just downloaded the most recent nightly for Camino, and I must say I'm quite impressed. The UI is much snappier (changing tabs doesn't lag anymore), and the rendering speed seems a bit improved. I thought that Camino was going to get swallowed up by Safari and Firebird, but it is thriving.

  5. Re:Camino! by mikedaisey · · Score: 2, Informative


    Sigh.

    There is nothing to "merge" between Firebird and Camino--both are built off the same code base, but one has a Cocoa-native wrapper (Camino) and the other uses XUL (Firebird).

    Camino rocks--try one of the nightlies since 0.7 if you want to see a big improvement.

  6. Making Mozilla/Netscape More Mac Like by Paul+Burney · · Score: 4, Informative

    Installing the pinstripe theme would make the reviewer's opinion of Mozilla/Netscape better, I think. It gives the browser an aqua look.

    It is available at:
    http://kmgerich.com/pinstripe/pinstripe.html

    The best feature of Moz 1.4, though, is type-ahead-find, or whatever they call it now. Just start typing to have the typed text highlighted and that part of the page jumped to. Great for pages you come to from a search engine.

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  7. Re:The best part about this by edsel · · Score: 5, Informative

    One thing that Ars Technica didn't mention is that MS does still have a browser for OS X. It just isn't available for free download - you have to subscribe to the MSN isp (I think) to get it.

    According to this report MSN Explorer/Mac actually has the best support for CSS 3 selectors of any current browser. Too bad it's only available to paying customers.

  8. Don't forget X11 browsers by WatertonMan · · Score: 4, Informative
    In addition to Safari, Camino, IE, Mozilla, and then a few other smaller projects, there are also all the X11 browsers that Fink installs. Beyond Lynx as someone else mentioned we have the X11 Mozilla, Dillo, Konquerer and many others.

    Dillo in particular is amazingly fast basic browser that supports graphics unlike Lynx. Even Mozilla running under X11 is surprisingly fast. Must faster than any Aqua based browser I've used. (Mainly due to no AA and other such considerations)

    I use Safari 99% of the time because I like all those Aqua frills and because I think its tab handling is the best on the market. But one shouldn't neglect the rest.

  9. Firebird + AdBlock by Doobian+Coedifier · · Score: 2, Informative

    Firebird has a large number of "extensions" available, one of them being AdBlock. Right-click on an image, choose AdBlock, and you can add a filter for images (for instance http://ads.*.com/*). Flash Click to View is also handy; animations won't play unless you click on them.

    Firebird extensions:
    http://texturizer.net/firebird/extens ions.html

  10. Re:Image loading -- Safari vs IE by leejor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, Safari should provide these features. In the mean time you should check out PithHelmet. PithHelmet provides just the kind of image filtering you are looking for, and is seamlessly integrated into Safari.

    Lee Joramo

  11. Major problem with Safari by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Safari cannot access https sites through a proxy server. This appears to be a major problem on the apple discussion boards.

  12. Re:But it's not a war by ahacop@wmuc.umd.edu · · Score: 2, Informative

    Safari will be pre-installed with Panther...so...just wait.

  13. Java and Mozilla by aftermath09 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The author forgot to mention that OS X does not support jdk 1.4.1 on any browser other than Safari, which is a bit annoying. Try it. If you use mozilla, you can only use applets that are 1.3.x compliant. The author's view is also biased towards only OS X users. I LIKE the fact that mozilla/firebird looks the same on every platform I use (I switch between XP, os X, NT, 2k, Linux depending on what I'm doing). So, the fact that mozilla looks 'ported' should be irrelevant to it's rating - not only that, one can change mozilla's themes, or create your own if you REALLY want to. Don't get me wrong, safari is good. The only REAL problem to me is that it's only on OS X ;-)

  14. More Safari gripes by fungai · · Score: 3, Informative

    Excellent review. Glad to see an all the pros and cons of the browsers in one place. There's a couple of things that I would like to add. Although I like Safari, some basic stuff sometimes makes me want to toss it completely.

    - SSL doesn't work through a proxy that needs authentication.
    - Sometimes with web sites that require authentication and have lots of graphics, authentication boxes just keeps popping up - over each other. Like it expects you to enter your auth info for each and every graphic file. This is so crazy it makes me want to throw my iBook out the window sometimes.
    - Integration with keychain is really very lame. I don't know why they have an option to remember authentication info, it just doesn't work.

    And lastly if any (ex) Camino developers are listening, it's a great browser, and almost there. If you can just fix the occasional crashes it would be my default browser. Especially with 10 tabs open at a time you really can't afford to have a browser crashing. (btw Safari also has this problem about once a week...).

  15. Safari rendering errors by h0tblack · · Score: 3, Informative
    Overall a good and fair article of the browsers used by the majority of people, but what's this about Safari rendering Apple's ADC site incorrectly?
    From Apple's Developer page (which does not render properly in Safari)
    It seems fine to me and looks exactly the same in Safari, IE, Camino. Sure, Safari has it's problems, and IMHO the pre-releases were more stable, although even more feature bereft that 1.0. I'm sure Safari 'final' was rushed out. this said I'd like the author of the article to back up his statement re these particular errors and ask whether he reported them to the Safari team at Apple and the Webmaster of the ADC site.
  16. Re:But it's not a war by mbbac · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, Safari does have one advantage that no other Mac browser has. It has access to iSync's API which allows people to synchronize their Safari bookmarks across Macs. Hopefully Apple will make the iSync API public once it becomes more stable.

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