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2003 Hugo Award Winners Announced

securitas writes "For those that follow these sorts of things, the 2003 Hugo Award Winners list has been released (PDF). Robert Sawyer's 'Homonids' won Best Novel, fan favorite Neil Gaiman won Best Novella for 'Coraline', Geoffery A. Landis won Best Short Story for 'Falling Onto Mars', Buffy the Vampire Slayer's 'Conversations with Dead People' won Best Short Form Dramatic Presentation and predictably 'The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers' won Best Long Form Dramatic Presentation. You can get all the details at the Torcon 2003 Hugo Awards section."

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  1. Good for Buffy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lot of awards have overlooked the series in the past when they've been deserving.

    1. Re:Good for Buffy by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 2, Flamebait

      Really?

      Just because YOU think the series is the next best thing in the world, it might not be all that great after all. Personally, I think Buffy the series is beyond crap, at best. It's like watching Matrix Reloaded. I just don't fcking GET IT! That, and there's always a small legion of bozos around who claim that I'm the idiot for "not getting it" and that I should see all the previous episodes to understand and appreciate it.

      True art is something which will always be remembered for the amount of creativity, effort and passion that was poured into something. Elvis Presley's music is art; I can't stand hearing it but it's art. In one hundred years people will still know about Elvis Presley, same thing for the Rolling Stones and Queen. Stanley Kubrick (sp?) is an artist too, even though I can't stand his movies either. You don't have to like something for it to be deserving of anything, and the reverse is true as well; as soon as YOU like something doesn't mean it automatically is the next best thing since sliced bread.

    2. Re:Good for Buffy by cherokee158 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Granted, Buffy does not fit what a lot of people would consider the usual definition of science fiction (science being conspicously absent), but it is a well-written show. I really could not understand what people saw in this show for the longest time, but boredom and a Buffy Viewer's Choice marathon changed my mind almost overnight. Suspension of disbelief was a battle for me with this one, but once I grudgingly accepted the premise, I grew to love the characters and relish every chapter of a story that was sometimes funny, sometimes scary, and always suprising. Like most good writing, the story does not immediately make itself appreciated, but once you have seen enough to become aware of the characters and appreciate the story arcs, it gets into your pores and stays there. In less than one year, I went from Buffy-hater to owning the entire series on DVD. Don't let the obvious bullseye this series paints on the teen target market lull you into thinking this show is just fluff. It makes some very sly jabs at just about every genre cliche there is, and, if you let it, can move you to screams, tears or fits of laughter all in a single episode. That being said, go ahead and hate it if you want. More DVD's for me :-)

    3. Re:Good for Buffy by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Buffy fans in the audience forgive me, but I think the majority of that show's fanbase is composed of...

      And I think all people who are interested in computers are geeky, socially inept freaks. Oh, wait, that's wrong too... this is what happens when you try to stereotype a group of people who are interested in something you're not. After all, just because you don't "get it" doesn't mean that there isn't a diverse group of people out there who disagree with you.

    4. Re:Good for Buffy by Jake96 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I doubt if the average person could name everything that deserves to be remembered as true art. I would wager there is 'forgotten' true art that is today largely ignored even by critics and historians.

      Should you see all the episodes of Buffy to 'get' it? Would you look at three square centimeters of a statue before dismissing it as crap? I appreciate that you may not find Buffy accessible at first viewing and not be motivated to continue. However, just because YOU don't like something doesn't automatically mean there is no argument for its status as something more than television filler material.

      In other words, I think you've contradicted your own point that personal taste shouldn't enter much into the 'art or not' debate. Your only argument that Buffy isn't art is that you find it beyond crap. What objective reasons can you give that Buffy is not art?

  2. Dangit.... by JoeLinux · · Score: 3, Funny

    And yet another year passes in which they fail to acknowledge the wonderous story that is Battlefield:Earth.

    1. Re:Dangit.... by el-spectre · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The book wasn't bad... not incredibly believable, but entertaining. The movie... eh... I feel bad for the trees that died to make the cellulose for the film...

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  3. Ironic about Buffy.... by GrnArmadillo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Winning an award after the show bows for an episode about ghosts of the past. :) Also note how Buffy creator Joss Whedon has three of the nominated episodes (for his other two shows, "Angel" and the late "Firefly") while the other two noms belong to "Enterprize". It's a small world these days.....

    1. Re:Ironic about Buffy.... by quacking+duck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was rooting for Firefly's "Serenity", but this Buffy ep was about as deserving. Far more so than the two nominated "Enterprise" eps.

  4. Yay Canada! by optikSmoke · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've read a bunch of Sawyer's books (his present-day/near-present-day sci-fi) and they do not dissapoint. I found it funny that I spotted Hominids in the store the other day and picked it up, and now I hear it won the Hugo :)

    Heh... he's also Canadian! Yay Canada!

    1. Re:Yay Canada! by allrong · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I find it a bit sad that Sawyer's books have big blurb's trumpeting how he is Canada's answer to xxx. UK SF also seems to have had an inferiority complex up until recently with cover quotes of how author Y has revitilised UK SF.

      I am very surprised that Australian SF book covers have not done the same over the past decade. We are usually quite noisy about promoting Aussieness, to our eternal detriment.

      I enjoyed reading Sawyer's Calculating God, but after seeing his website sfwriter.com I'm quite put off by this guy's self-promotion.

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  5. Re:Is scifi just to placify geeks? by efuseekay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not everybody wants to be a scientist, especially when you get low pay, poor advancement and lousy job opportunities. And that's after you have spent 5-7 years slogging away as a slave in grad school....

    On the other hand, doing science is the most rewarding experience I've ever had*.

    Btw, Geoffery Landis is himself a scientist...

    * Other than hot, steamy sex.

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  6. Hugos these days... by theoddball · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nice to see the literary Hugos are going to actual SF again...two years of solid selections. I think it was 2001 when Harry Potter won best novel, and I just shook my head... I have nothing against HP, but it doesn't deserve a Hugo. It's not adult fiction, and it's not even science fiction (which is, of course, the focus of the Hugo... I disagree with the folks who keep saying SF is "incredibly boring" these days, though--it's just on a different tack.

    1. Re:Hugos these days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to what I read on the site, Hugos are given to both science fiction and fantasy. It's just that apparently lots of previous noms were mostly sci-fi, which is completely not their problem if the pendulum decides to swing the other way for a while.

      I don't even follow the details behind the Hugo awards, but 2 minutes of reading unearths Section 3.2.1: "Unless otherwise specified, Hugo Awards are given for work in the field of science fiction or fantasy..."

    2. Re:Hugos these days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have nothing against HP, but it doesn't deserve a Hugo. It's not adult fiction, and it's not even science fiction

      Well, narrowing down the Hugo awards to science fiction only isn't exactly correct. But setting that aside, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire most certainly is adult fiction. It's written in such a way that it's suitable entertainment for kids, but the themes are definitely adult. Murder, death, destiny, revenge, and the constant, underlying idea that you can't, so to speak, judge a book by its cover.

      Don't assume that a book that's beloved by kids isn't for adults.

    3. Re:Hugos these days... by sparrow_hawk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Err... umm...
      Nice to see the literary Hugos are going to actual SF again..
      I have nothing against HP, but it doesn't deserve a Hugo. It's not adult fiction, and it's not even science fiction


      So... have you read Coraline? As with much great fantasy (yes, fantasy -- not science fiction), it operates on two levels. For children, it's an adventure story; for adults, a horror story. It is undeniably written for children, however, yet it's definately a great read however old you are. :) It just goes to show that good "children's literature" is good literature, period.

  7. Science fiction? by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why are fantasy and horror works winning sci-fi awards?

    The award will stop to have any meaning if they don't stick to its niche.

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    1. Re:Science fiction? by fishexe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      bah, sci-fi doesn't even mean anything anymore anyways. Haven't you seen how many books about wizards and dragons are in the sci fi section of the bookstore?

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    2. Re:Science fiction? by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Haven't you seen how many books about wizards and dragons are in the sci fi section of the bookstore?

      Bookstore managers and their inability to classify their wares adequatly should not be a trend setter for people handing out awards. THEY should know better.

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    3. Re:Science fiction? by Badge+17 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hm... maybe because the Hugo is not just a science fiction award. You may recall that the Lord of the Rings "trilogy" was nominated for a best series award or something of that nature (incidentally, it was beaten by Asimov's Foundation series).

      I'll copy a link given above that's useful in clarifying the award... http://www.torcon3.org/ballots/hugoWSFS.html

      The lines between SciFi and Fantasy are not always clear, and if LoTR is valid for a Hugo, then it isn't going to dilute the meaning of the Hugo any more if we nominate fantasy. There's always been a division between hard and soft science fiction (or between Science Fiction and SciFi, according to some people).

      Just look at the difference between Harlan Ellison and Isaac Asimov. Oh, and guess which one has won more Hugos.

    4. Re:Science fiction? by bluGill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anymore? Historicly Sci-fi did include fantasy, just look at all the old Andre Norton works that were more fantasy than sci-fi. For that matter anything fantasy was sci-fi.

      Good authors write, bad authors worry about what catagory their books will be clasified in before they start. Start with an idea, and make it work. If it is hard science fiction, good, if it isn't, good. It might appeal more to someone if it fits a catagory, but only after a good book is written do you decide if you like it.

    5. Re:Science fiction? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Informative

      True. Pleasantville, The Truman Show and Harry Potter also got nominations in the past, despite not being science fiction.

      If they don't make some adjustments, it will be the "Latest Hip Subculture Genre Awards".

      I think a lot of this stuff may be winning on name recognition alone rather than on whether or not it meets basic criteria of deserving an award.

    6. Re:Science fiction? by Pikathulhu · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Hugo-nominated fantasy novels include but are not limited to ...

      Day of the Minotaur (1967)
      Too Many Magicians (1967)
      Goblin Reservation (1969)
      Harpist in the Wind (1980)
      Little, Big (1982)
      Tea With the Black Dragon (1984)
      Seventh Son (1988)
      Red Prophet (1989)
      Prentice Alvin (1990)
      Towing Jehovah (1995)

      By the way, Hominids is a dreadful book, and there's a coincidence in its win that Slashdot readers may not know about: the author couldn't possibly be more active in promoting himself as Canada's big-time SF writer, and all the Hugo voters this year were necessarily paid members of a convention taking place in Canada--in fact, Toronto where the winning author lives. Are Canadian SF fans really such parochial nationalist boosters that they would vote for a bad book just because it's Canadian? I wouldn't have thought so before yesterday.

      You should read Hominids, The Scar, Bones of the Earth, Kiln People, and The Years of Rice and Salt if you'd like to judge for yourself. I'd have voted for any of them and even "no award" before I would have voted for Hominids.

    7. Re:Science fiction? by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      dunno, because there's not awful of new science fiction coming nowadays that is 'traditional' science fiction? especially not too much of good stuff that really have something to say about the world today and fit into that.

      i still manage to find stuff to read though.. but i've rarely put much merit on awards anyways and since i haven't been around to read most of the stuff as fresh i can read decades old stuff as new(and why shouldn't everyone?).

      besides they're more like of an obviously fiction awards than scifi awards.. to me scifi is speculative fiction at it's best, so i rank wide amounts of green little men from mars stuff out of it too(that doesn't mean i don't read them or like them when they're good)

      more than that i'd much more like to see awards for books i shouldn't read(along with reasons, by people who have read the book completely and are not retards), of such books i've lately read jeff longs 'year zero'. it suck. heavily. it was _BAD_, i did give it the chance though and read it till the end but the book is nothing but pure populistic disease fear shit mixed with cloning(of _jesus_ none the less) and end of the civilised world scenario mixed with petty rivalry and broken family and resurrection-cloning nonsense. the kinda shit book why people fear cloning and the cloning being in it mostly for no reason at all than because cloning is hip,any other explanation for the multiple retarded jesuses would have done just as well, if not better. but wait! the jesuses itself had barely any function for the story at all anyways, heck, the cloning wasn't even used for a cause of the disease sweeping everyone away so there was totally zero reasons to use it all. the book could have been much much better with much of the stuff left out, so instead of 500 pages it could have been a great book at 300 pages.. one reason why i tend to stay away from books with 500+ pages, they generally are big just because they're bloated or the wording is bad, exceptions happen of course. the new harry potter for example is so thick just because it has outrageously big font and the lines are way too much away from each other too but i guess having '700pages' was a selling point too in it's weird way, perhaps a way to justify greater price too(more like 300 pages if it was printed like a normal book, scifi it certainly was not, childrens book is the most fitting description, while it's not that bad it's not _great_ either).

      yes this turned into a slash-rant that begins vagely following the subject at hand and then runs away.

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    8. Re: Science fiction? by gidds · · Score: 4, Insightful
      ...The Truman Show... also got nominations in the past, despite not being science fiction.

      Why doesn't The Truman Show count as science fiction?

      The absence of space travel, laser guns and robots doesn't stop something being science fiction, just as their presence doesn't guarantee it is. Good science fiction has always been about ideas -- about ideas that change society or our relationship with the universe.

      For example, I've always considered most 'space opera' such as Star Wars to be simply adventure stories that happen to be set in space - not science fiction at all. Conversely, stories like The Truman Show which are about ideas, about the nature of the world, and which invoke a sense of wonder, strike me as being much closer to the heart of science fiction. (Though there's actually quite a bit of technology involved in the backstory to TTS too.) And of course there are stories with both, like Bladerunner, which not only has a future setting with all the trappings, but a plot which directly involves the nature of that setting, and asks deep questions about personal identity.

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    9. Re:Science fiction? by nathanh · · Score: 4, Insightful
      True. Pleasantville, The Truman Show and Harry Potter also got nominations in the past, despite not being science fiction.

      The Truman Show is definitely sci-fi. Existing scientific knowledge was used a plot device to explore Truman's connection between perception and reality. Without the scientific underpinnings such as 24x7 hidden cameras and an artifical world for Truman, the story would have made no sense. This is what separates true sci-fi from "fantasies in space" like Star Wars.

      Other sci-fi stories that aren't immediately obvious are Make Room, Make Room and 1984. In the first story the plot device is world famine due to a population explosion. In the second story the plot device is governmental monitoring and control of media, used to oppress the people. Neither of those stories requires any "fantasy" science like hyperengines or warpblasters, yet they're still sci-fi.

    10. Re:Science fiction? by MegaFur · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Anymore? Historicly Sci-fi did include fantasy, just look at all the old Andre Norton works that were more fantasy than sci-fi. For that matter anything fantasy was sci-fi.

      According to my high school teacher, it was the other way around; i.e. fantansy included science fiction. This makes sense because the simple English word fantasy is more general than science fiction. Fantasy was supposed to refer to any story with a fantastical premise or situation--in fact it didn't even specifically have to involve science or guys with swords and wizards. Many Twilight Zone episodes fall into this category. By contrast, in a science fiction story, some sort of made-up science was always supposed to play a major role.

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  8. Re:Is scifi just to placify geeks? by theoddball · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sci-Fi does advance science; where do you think scientists get ideas, most modern tech was first thought up in science fiction. No. In general, SF derives from existing scientfic concepts. It's not as if authors are sitting around and think "Hey, you know what'd be cool? Some kinda energy source from little tiny particles called atoms smashing into each other!" Enrico Fermi didn't learn how fission works from reading SF. Even pulling ideas from existing science, the genre has gotten it wrong plenty of times. It was Gibson (I think) that wrote a story where characters see all these bizarre rocketships and flying things in the sky, and strange vehicles on the ground...in the end, these crazy vehicles turn out to be all the pictures of silver ships and flying cars and nuclear thingamajigs from the 1950s pulp mags. Kim Stanley Robinson has written about a lot of prospective, uninvented things in his Mars series, but he didn't start from nothing--a lot of the ideas in those books was first proposed by NASA researchers and guys like Robert Zubrin. Hell, he even takes stuff from the 100 Day Plan. SF and science feed off each other, true...but SF != source of science.

  9. Re:Modern Sci-Fi by LauraW · · Score: 2, Interesting
    >Even the second foundation trilogy reads like second rate cyberpunk.

    That's because the second foundation trilogy sucked.

    Well, maybe it wasn't that bad, but it was totally derivative, had a fairly lame "cyberpunk-lite" plot, and was written by three different people. IMO, Asimov ruined both the Foundation and Robots series when he merged them in his later years. Not quite as badly as Heinlein messed up his own series with dreck like Number of the Beast, but still pretty bad.

    There are still some good SF authors out there, though: Kim Stanley Robinson, CJ Cherryh, Ursula LeGuin, Connie Willis, Neal Stephenson, William Gibson, ....

  10. Since when are Buffy and Coraline Sci-Fi? by Snowspinner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is not a knock against either Buffy or Coraline - I have Buffy seasons 1-7 on my bookshelf, and my Neil Gaiman collection is probably worth about $1000. But neither of them are science fiction. Coraline is a children's horror novel. A wonderful children's horror novel, but a children's horror novel all the same.

    Maybe a case can be made for Buffy, since it's at least had sci-fi moments in its series, but Conversations With Dead People was not one of them.

    I mean, yeah, a case can be made that the Hugos need to start acknowledging things beyond straight sci-fi if they're going to survive as a relevent and interesting award. But if they're going to do that, they should stop calling themselves a science fiction award. And they should also pause to ask whether, with the World Fantasy and Bram Stoker awards around, such a move is really necessary.

    Oh well. Grats to Gaiman and Whedon anyway. =)

    1. Re:Since when are Buffy and Coraline Sci-Fi? by soundofthemoon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I haven't read Coraline yet (it's on my list, which is kind of long right now), but there's a strong case to be made that Buffy is science fiction, not fantasy. I'd say The Two Towers, and all of LOTR, is definitely fantasy. But you don't need gadgets and flying cars to be science fiction.

      I've had this conversation with some other SF authors (yeah, I have pretentions), and it seems the big distinction between SF and fantasy isn't the way the world differs from our own (high-tech vs. magic), but how the characters relate to it. In SF, technology is external and understandable. In fantasy, magic is beyond understanding, and it's a mostly internal thing. Being able to do spells and make potions is just a different flavor of technology. But the One Ring isn't technology, it's a force of nature, and thus magic.

      The supernatural in Buffy is very much magical technology. Anyone, even Xander, can pick up a stake and nail a vamp. Even the Slayer is technology - the Shadow Men just bound the essence of a demon to the slayer line and presto!, superchicks to fight vampires.

    2. Re:Since when are Buffy and Coraline Sci-Fi? by Justinian+II · · Score: 5, Informative

      Does no-one bother to educate themselves before they post? This comes up every year. The Hugo is not just a "science fiction" award. The most cursory checking would have revealed this fact. From the WSFS constitution:

      "Unless otherwise specified, Hugo Awards are given for work in the field of science fiction or fantasy appearing for the first time during the previous calendar year."

      Got that? "Work in the field of science fiction or fantasy". Can we please stop with the "but that isn't science fiction!" stuff now?

      That said, _Hominids_ is a truly awful book and as a winner is an embarrassment to all involved in the Hugo process.

  11. In that case by Raul654 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah...'cause "conversations with dead people" was chuck full of science-fiction

    In that case, I hearby nominate Jonathan Edwards for the 2004 Dramatic Presentation Hugo Award

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  12. Re:Dubious value award. by soundofthemoon · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't think it's the same people giving themselves awards. The Hugos are awarded by the membership of the World Science-Fiction Convetion (http://www.worldcon.org/). Yes, many authors are members, but the bulk are just fen. So the awards are given by a few thousand people active in the SF fan community.

    That said, yes, it's not particularly scientific or democratic. But that's what the award means - WorldCon thinks this book is the best. If you aren't happy with the selections, you can do what I did this year. I purchased a relatively inexpensive associate (non-attending) membership which allowed me to vote for the Hugos, and I'll be able to nominate for next year's awards too.

    Of course none of the entries I voted for won. Too bad, because Kiln People rocked.

  13. Just how many times has locus won best semipro ? by Crashmarik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it just the fact that locus is about the only quality entry in the category ? They seem to win every year.

  14. Re:Is scifi just to placify geeks? by dspeyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Science fiction occasionally advances science, the communications satellite being the famous example, but the real idea is to advance society around science. As science overtakes science fiction (usually co-incidentally) society struggles to adapt. It's good that there are at least a few people who have already thought about how to respond to changes like those which happen!

  15. Sawyer's Work Disappoints Plenty by Nova+Express · · Score: 3, Interesting

    >they do not dissapoint

    That is, if you're not bothered by details like scientific plausability, plot, characterization, etc.

    I have not read Hominids (although the reviews of it I have seen have not been promising), but I did read Starplex, which was a Hugo and Nebula finalist, and that was such a singularly wretched novel that I haven't read another Sawyer novel since.

    This is clearly a case of "home cooking," since Worldcon was held in Sawyer's back yard. It's very sad that Sawyer won a Hugo before (and here's just a partial list) Gene Wolfe, Howard Waldrop, Pat Cadigan, China Mieville, Paul Di Filippo, Rudy Rucker, John Kessel, Iain Banks, Michaael Bishop...

    Well, the list of science fiction writers better than Robert J. Sayer who haven't won a Hugo just goes on and on, doesn't it?

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  16. Sci-Fi vs. Fantasy by FroBugg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A lot of people seem to think that the Hugos are being lessened by being granted to works that aren't strictly sci-fi.

    But these days there's very little sci-fi that's actually science fiction. Most of it is fantasy with computers.

    China Mieville (one of the Hugo-nominated authors this year) has an excellent essay on the subject of what he calls "weird fiction" at his website, http://www.panmacmillan.com/features/china/debate. htm

  17. _Hominids_ is book one of a trilogy by DragonMagic · · Score: 4, Informative

    _Hominids_ is the first book of a Neanderthal trilogy, where Neanderthals on an alternate earth, where Homo sapiens died out instead, use a quantum computer which opens a portal to our world.

    The other two books, _Humans_ and _Hybrids_, are now both available. _Humans_ and _Hominids_ are paperbacks and _Hybrids_ *just* came out in hardcover.

    If you enjoy good science fiction, read all three. And hopefully _Humans_ or _Hybrids_ makes the ballot again next year (both published first in 2003).

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    1. Re:_Hominids_ is book one of a trilogy by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So he stole the plot from Sliders? Oh, no, wait. Those were "kromags". Never mind.

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  18. Re:Hey now. What about... by nojayuk · · Score: 2, Informative
    If you enjoy SF written by cultish wackjobs...any others I've missed in this "subgenre"? I'm seriously interested.

    James P. Hogan is a Veliskovskian True Believer and this is showing through more and more in his newer writings. There are also quite a few believers in the Singularity (aka Rapture of the Nerds) who are writing SF and furthermore getting it published although since its the sort of thing Slashdot readers dream about it's probably not a cult but a "common interest".