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Balloonists Attempt World Altitude Record

ACey writes "BBC News is reporting on the latest attempt to break the balloon altitude world record. Qinetiq 1 is scheduled to launch tomorrow, 2nd September 2003, from the coast of Cornwall, UK, and aims to reach 132,000 feet or 25 miles in a flight that could last 12 hours. The balloon is so big (1,250 feet tall) that it should be visible from most of the UK, Ireland and Western France as it climbs. Good luck to them!"

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  1. Obligatory by Malicious · · Score: 2, Funny
    This article is just a bunch of hot air.

    Note: I fully realize that to reach that altitude, they would have to use helium. Grow a sense of humor.

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  2. Naturally.. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    The first transmission from the balloon will be "Can you hear me now? ... Good!"

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  3. xprize? by mikeee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hm. If they could launch it again in a suitable time window, would this be eligable for the X-Prize?

    1. Re:xprize? by mitomac · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, the xprize requirement is 65 miles -- another 40 miles more than the stated goal.

    2. Re:xprize? by Skyfire · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually its 100km. Get with the program.

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  4. Re:One question comes to my mind: by Gr33nNight · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because he can. Are you new here?

  5. Erm "Balloon" by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I knew if I wanted to conceal the departure of our ancient alien visitors I too would construct a 1,200 foot balloon and tell people it was trying to break an altitude record.

    This just prooves our alien overlords point - we deserve to get our brains eaten.

  6. You'll shoot your eye out kid! by niko9 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hate to break it youy bud, but I got my Daisy Brand Red-Ryder BB rifle, and your'e not going anywhere!

    Sorry to burst your bubble. ;)

  7. SI Units by GoneGaryT · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...40,000 metres (40 kilometres) up in a balloon 381 metres tall...

  8. Masochists, I tells ya. by JCCyC · · Score: 5, Funny

    See here.

    Selected quote:
    "The two men will not eat during their mission, and they are hoping they will not have to go to the toilet either. A special fibre-free diet will begin three days before the trip in the hope that waste will be kept to a minimum."

    All I can say is -- Holy crap!

  9. are they going to jump too? by cdn-programmer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The manhigh project in the late 50's early 60's included a parachute jump from about 100,000 feet. This was about the height that the Challenger exploded and the jump shows that the crew of the Chalenger could have survived had the technology developed in the manhigh project been avilable to them.

    The guy who jumped reached a speed of over 700 miles per hour for part of the fall.

    1. Re:are they going to jump too? by benj_e · · Score: 3, Insightful

      um, I think you mean Columbia, and they weren't going 12,000 MPH in the manhigh program were they?

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    2. Re:are they going to jump too? by NoSoup4You · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's terminal velocity near sea level, at 100,000 feet the air resistance is much lower, therefore terminal velocity will be greatly increased.

    3. Re:are they going to jump too? by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 3, Informative

      At higher altitudes, the air is thinner, drag resistance is less, so terminal velocity is much higher.

      In 1960, Colonel Joe Kittinger jumped from 102,800 feet, reputedly reaching speeds of 714mph.

    4. Re:are they going to jump too? by ramk13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This was about the height that the Challenger exploded and the jump shows that the crew of the Chalenger could have survived had the technology developed in the manhigh project been avilable to them.

      I think you are ignoring maybe a few hundred engineering/technical difficulties involved in exiting a spacecraft. It's not like they had ejection seats. Also, from a flight controller's perspective there was little to no warning, at the time, that a catastrophic event was about to happen.

      Save the 'could have' and 'should have' for a problem where people actually could have done something.

    5. Re:are they going to jump too? by fygment · · Score: 2, Informative

      The original was Captain Joseph Kittinger who freefell for some 4.5 minutes. He had serious thrill issues.

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    6. Re:are they going to jump too? by psych031337 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here is a quick rundown on the gist of the Kittinger/Excelsior story that should give you an overview... and more terms for googling the backgrounds:

      http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/coldwar/p e. htm

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    7. Re:are they going to jump too? by cybermage · · Score: 3, Informative

      um, I think you mean Columbia,

      Actually, I think he means Challenger. When the Challenger exploded during launch, it is believed that the cockpit portion of the shuttle remained intact until impacting the ocean. Had the crew had the ability to jump from altitude, who knows...

  10. balooning seems kewl by selderrr · · Score: 2, Funny

    after seeing hot grits like this, I'm now convicing my wife that I should go high-altitude balooning asap. If only I could explain the mandatory difference in male and female costumes

  11. Think of the wardriving opportunities by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Funny

    With a good high-gain antenna, they should be able to access wireless LANs for quite a distance. Were I in the vicinty, I would be honored to have them posting their progress through my network.

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  12. If these balloons get any bigger... by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...they'll achieve altitude records without even leaving the ground.

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  13. Re:Brits and balloons. by hachete · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.cameronballoons.co.uk/index.cfm

    "The worlds' largest balloon maker"

    based in Bristol in the westcountry where they have one of the worlds' largest balloon festivals every year.

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  14. Another metric hack by Phantasmo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, they could've used kilolight-nanoseconds (light travels about 30 centimetres in a nanosecond, which is close enough to a foot).

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    1. Re:Another metric hack by bentini · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe you mean light-microseconds?

  15. Dear Ballon-nauts by WwWonka · · Score: 2, Funny

    I write this letter to you balloon pilots in hopes that when you are up there you will do me a favor.

    About a week ago I tied lil Sparky, our family Chiwwawwawa, to about ten helium balloons to see if they could lift him off the ground. Needless to say, it did. After ten minutes of riding my Green Machine through town following poor old Sparks I lost sight of him some where near the Rockies.

    So, if you happen to see Sparky some where up there in the great wild blue yonder during your travels will you fetch him for me? Don't know if this is possible cause the kid next door who is into h4ck1ng and Slashdot and all that other stuff keeps saying something about the decrease in atmospheric pressure at those heights and that either the balloons will pop or Sparky's large intenstines will explode. Either way bad news for Sparks. So PUH-LEASE keep on the lookout for a dog with ten balloons tied to his collar.

    Jimmy Smigerwitz

    PS. He will be the dog with the Red Power Rangers collar in case you see more dogs tied to balloons up there.

  16. History&Freefall by the_pooh_experience · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Acording to NOVA, the standing record is 113,739.9 ft (~ 35 km) was set in 1961. Back then however these people were pretty hardcore, as it was too technical to pilot the balloons back down, they would jump (with a parachute).

    My grandfather and his brother were some of the balooning pioneers in the US, and I actually had the oppertunity (when I was much younger) to acompany my grandfater taken up in a balloon by Joe Kittinger (first altitude record of ~100,000 ft and the longest freefall to date-where he actually broke the sound-barrier unaided by propultion other than gravity). We didn't go to 100 kft but even back then (I think I may have been about 7) it was quite an experience.

    1. Re:History&Freefall by henrygb · · Score: 2, Informative
      it was too technical to pilot the balloons back down, they would jump (with a parachute).

      This was also true of Yuri Garagin in Vostock 1, who having orbited in 1961 at up to about 320 km (200 miles), ejected on the way down at about 7 km (23,000 feet). All by design.

  17. scary part... by rokzy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Should the suits fail at 35,000 feet (10,668 metres) Andy and Colin would lose consciousness. At 80,000 feet (24,384 metres) the pilots would die within a matter of seconds, as the low pressure would make their blood boil almost immediately."

    ow...

  18. Re:What a jerks by panurge · · Score: 2, Funny

    Actually it was British jerks (the word behind the first initial in BBC does give away the plot a bit). But yes, I do agree with your elegantly stated request. Believe it or not, the British Army went metric in, I think, around 1948. The rest of the country will doubtless catch up with the rest of Europe shortly after Hell freezes over.

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  19. Re:Balloons?! Still?! Again?! etc. by rokzy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/sci_nat/03/b allooning/html/glider.stm

    "The technology behind Zephyr could be used as a communications platform for mobile phones in remote areas, or disaster zones, or even by the military for surveillance."

    happy...?

  20. Blood boiling? Such melodrama! by titzandkunt · · Score: 3, Informative


    "Should the suits fail at 35,000 feet (10,668 metres) Andy and Colin would lose consciousness. At 80,000 feet (24,384 metres) the pilots would die within a matter of seconds, as the low pressure would make their blood boil almost immediately."

    All this gory talk makes good copy, but it ain't necessarily so: You would lose fluids as vapour from your airways, but this would be gradual. Images of blood boiling in your tortured veins is simply alarmist. Your blood pressure is high enough, and your veinous system is elastic and resilient enough to prevent bulk boiling occurring. More details are here , and essentially all over the web. The seminal publication is "Bioastronautics Data Book, Second edition, NASA SP-3006", which I can't find online, unfortunately. Them Rocket Scientists sure know lotsa stuff!

    T&K.

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  21. Re:Couldn`t Google... by edb0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    it does!
    type "100 feet in meters" into google and see what happens.

  22. Re:One question comes to my mind: by ray-auch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Launch date got put back 24hrs after the (BBC) article was posted - check the main bbc news site for a brief article on the delay.

    As well as the balloon record they are flying some remote controlled (from the gondola) drone which I expect is going to be a record height too.

    So we have very high altitude unmanned drone being tested - now that sounds like the military's cup of tea...

  23. Launch On Hold by jea6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In case anybody is reading this far, the launch is on hold until 3-9 due to inclement weather.

    "Conditions were not suitable for the launch. All being well, it will happen as planned on Wednesday morning," said the spokesman.

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  24. Re:Untrue by hughk · · Score: 2, Informative
    I don't know if you checked the link that I supplied, but you have about ten seconds to take emergency action before you pass out (assuming immediate depressurisation). The bends take some time to kick in because the blood is not directly exposed to vacuum.

    Loss of pressure has happened in one famous incident at NASA in the eighties when a space suit failed in a test chamber. The chamber was rapidly repressurized and the tester showed no ill effects (i.e., no bends). The bends take some time to happen. When diving, it may take some tens of minutes for the effects to become severe. Small N2 bubbles in the blood are nasty but until they become larger i.e., by aggregation, they are not major. With immediate recompression, the N2 will quickly dissolve again.

    The Soyuz 11 incident was also disclosed when the Russians started cooperating with NASA. In this case, the crew seemed to have about 30 seconds (the cabin took a little time to depressurize).

    There is even an idea that has been floating around about having an unpressurised space suit - i.e., just the helmet would be pressurized. The rest of the suit would be elasticated, which would provide counter-pressure to the skin, to prevent swelling.

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