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Give The NGage And Phantom A Chance?

Thanks to GameSpy for their 'Sole Food editorial urging gamers to take another look at the NGage and Phantom games hardware. Regarding Nokia's NGage game/phone hybrid, the piece suggests: "Gamers should be excited by what Nokia is bringing to the table. Mobile multiplayer gaming via Bluetooth and GSM/GPRS is a wonderful idea and definitely the future of portable gaming." As for Infinium Labs' Phantom console, the author is cautious but optimistic: "I'm not advocating the Phantom, but I'm very much fascinated by what Infinium purports it will introduce to console gaming: digital distribution. This is definitely the way gamers will buy games in the future." Reason enough to think again?

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  1. In a word, no. by Snowspinner · · Score: 5, Funny

    The N-Gage has justifiably gotten shitty reviews for its crappy controls, crappy looking screen, the worst system for loading games ever, is overpriced, and is just generally lousy. So, no, I don't plan on giving it a second look. While bluetooth multiplayer and a few of its features are nice, I intend to wait for them to be implemented on a device that doesn't suck.

    As for the Phantom... ummm... it's best feature is the fact that DNF is going to be a launch game.

    1. Re:In a word, no. by Alkaiser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let's see...the N-Gage and Phantom want to advertise on our site...so let's write an article telling gamers to possibly endorse the WORST 2 ideas ever.

      On one hand, the N-Gage, a system I wanted to like because it would be an international phone, AND a gaming console, so I could keep in touch while I was in Japan.

      Guess what? Phone coverage doesn't include Japan. Also, the screen is way too freaking small, and the controls are phone controls. So...I can't use it for the reasons I wanted to use the phone, and I can't use it as a viable gaming system. Back to 1000 yen phone cards, and putting my GBA in my carry-on.

      Then we have the Phantom...which "unveiled"itself to show...nothing. No actual console, no nothing. What should we be giving a shot, exactly? The wholesale shunning of product in exchange for an all-hype, no-substance world? Gimme a break GameSpy. You guys are right up there with InsertCredit now.

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    2. Re:In a word, no. by Babbster · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Then we have the Phantom...which "unveiled"itself to show...nothing. No actual console, no nothing. What should we be giving a shot, exactly? The wholesale shunning of product in exchange for an all-hype, no-substance world? Gimme a break GameSpy. You guys are right up there with InsertCredit now.

      Good point. I would only add that the main drawback to my mind is the fact that it's just supposed to be a mildly inexpensive PC which will apparently play PC games, which also requires a monthly subscription fee. Unless companies like Blizzard, Id, Atari, etc. quit developing games for the general-purpose PC to only release games on the Phantom, I have zero interest in the device. And I'm not even entirely against paying subscription fees for online games/services - I've played Everquest, I have Xbox Live and I plan on jumping into Star Wars Galaxies once I upgrade my current computer. I can only imagine what the people who balk at fees for Xbox Live (a pretty cheap $4+ a month) will think of Infinium's "console."

      I'd be surprised if the Phantom ever got distributed on anything like the scale of the other consoles...even if it does, I think it will have a spectacularly short lifespan - it will probably make the 3DO look like a rousing success.

  2. Shure by August_zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gather round children, and let me tell you a little story about the Phillips CD-I, or the 3D0, or the Sega 32-X. You see, all of these were systems that consumers cried "foul" on long before they even hit the store shelves. Some unfortunate souls bought these, and for their dilligence they were rewarded with very expensive door stops.

    New does not mean better, and when someone is trying to tell you their product can do everything from play every game ever made, all the way to cure cancer you are completely right in smelling a rat.

    Innovation makes the world go round, but clearly these two products, the phantom and the N-Gage are not the light at the end of the tunnel. They are merely C.H.U.D.s with a flashlight trying to eat your wallet.

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  3. Here's a look for you by jvmatthe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let me give my wallet another look...nope, I don't see $300 there for a handheld system that has received lukewarm previews.

    Let me give my sense of convenience another look...nope, I don't see me taking off a battery every time I want to change games.

    Let me give my GBA another look...decent price, convenient...yep, everything I currently need in a handheld. With the light, looks good.

    I think I'll go look at all the cheap used games in my local store while I'm looking.

    1. Re:Here's a look for you by RevAaron · · Score: 2, Funny

      But, but ... Only little kids use GBAs! To play Pokemon! For everything else the GBA doesn't work! Pokemon = Little kids! Duh! What if you want to play a game while at a busy club- you'll look like a little kid! HAHAHA, what a dork! Solution? Buy an N-Gage- the girls will LICK you at the lame ass club when you pull it out to play some Sonic.

      Yeah, right. Fuck Nokia's silly marketing and name-calling.

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  4. The first things to look for in game hardware.. by AltaMannen · · Score: 3, Funny

    1) Original Games
    2) Quality of games (estimated of course)
    3) Will have games that you like when you buy the hardware
    4) Load Times (digital distribution seems the slowest, possibly apart from c-64 casette w/o turbo).

    Never ever buy game hardware for playing games for any of the following reasons (especially if they are the ONLY reason)
    1) Monthly plans
    2) Method of selling you games
    3) Also cleans your underpants

  5. Okay, I'll give the Phantom a chance.... by JFMulder · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let's see what are their launch titles... hum...
    Bikini Karate Babes.

    Okay, that does it. You lost your one chance at credibility. :)

  6. Has anyone played the N-Gage. It's Terrible. by liquidzero4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's such a terrible system. I can't beleive anyone, especaily someone from GameSpy would have anything nice to say about it.

    I don't care who makes the system or the games, if it's good, it's good.

    But this thing is just terrible. From what I saw the graphics/sound were terrible. This thing was so slow. It looked like it's wasn't pushing more than 10 frames a seconds. It looked like a high tech flip book.

    The game play on anysystem that slow has got to be terrible. It reminded me of playing Doom on a 25 Mhz 386.

  7. Penny Arcade by suss · · Score: 3, Funny

    Penny Arcade had something to say about people who Astroturf the ngage...

    As for the Phantom...

  8. Maybe... by mcgroarty · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Maybe I'd give the NGage a chance if you didn't have to pop the battery and break out a screwdriver to change game carts.

    "But it's supposed to be for online game play!"

    Then why are the few polished titles (Sonic, etc) still carts for it?

  9. Credibility by wynterwynd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You know, I should be surprised by the tone this article takes, but somehow I'm not. More and more major game review sites are taking the corporate marketing juice and injecting it into articles. GameSpy's been teetering on the brink of corporate lapdog status for a while, looks like they're taking the final plunge.

    As far as the article's content goes:

    Don't be hatin'???

    What is there to love here, exactly?

    The article goes on to talk about the new concepts that these 2 systems are introducing, and I agree that these concepts are the up-and-coming as far as gaming goes (wide-area wireless, downloaded content). But they're not there yet. All too often gaming systems that are on the cutting edge of technology rely solely on new technology to sell the system, forgetting the minor details of good games and playability. Turbografx, 3DO, Jaguar, all with the latest technology when they came out, all now a brief burp in gaming history.

    Also, just because these consoles have good innovations is NO REASON to buy the system. It IS a good reason to use this technology to make an system that's actually good. I believe the best thing to come out of this will be to break some ground for the next-gen systems to build on. But the systems themselves are likely to fall and fall hard.

    On a side note, I'll believe the Phantom exists when I see a picture that's not CG.

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  10. N-Gage might have a chance.. by Inoshiro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Were it not a cellphone first and a gaming platform second. I've read the Nokia propoganda they send to the local video game chains. They expect people to come in, spend 450$ CDN on it, and then go home and play games that look marginally better than GBA games (note: GBA SP -- 150$ CDN) on a crappier button layout, while also required battery swapping to swap carts.

    They expect that the bluetooth multiplayer and fact that you can upload your times in games via GPRS to their Nokia wireless service will be worth the 3x upfront cost. This is despite the obvious caveat that most cell plans with data transfer are stupidly expensive. The pamhplet says in bold, "User must have data transfer features on their cellular plan." I'm not paying an extra 10$ a month of cell fees for what I can spend half on (Xbox Live! centralized scoring and multiplayer) -- especially since an Xbox is only 250$ CDN. The extra 200$ I save not going with an N-Gage buys me Live! and a couple of games.

    This mobile wireless niche Nokia wants to dominate doesn't exist. It won't exist for a few years yet, since GPRS and CPDP are still prohibitively expensive and unused by the general populace.

    As for the Phantom -- only 1 company can be succesful on a the platform which is based around XP Embedded; Microsoft.

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  11. Re:I like the *idea* of the Phantom... by Danse · · Score: 3, Funny

    Still, it's a great idea. A pre-configured, upgradable, HDTV-compatable game console? Great idea. Add in a DVD-ROM/CD-RW drive, or better yet, a DVD-RW/CD-RW, the ability to save TV shows to the hard drive (And make that drive big, fast, and upgradable) ala Tivo, or record live or already recorded video to DVD or (S)VCD (Hey, I watch a lot of anime fansubs, and burning them to an SVCD is cheaper than burning to DVD), the ability to network with PCs, and the best of the PC games out there, and you've got my money.

    Wow, that would be awesome!! Ya know, I think we should call it a personal computer! Everyone will want one!

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  12. It's the games, stupid by skyknytnowhere · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Blah blah blah give the hardware a chance."

    No, I'll give games a chance. I don't give a crap what hardware it's running, or how cool it's wireless networking is supposed to be. Unless it's running games I want to play, I'll pass.

    Of course, the fact that the Phantom is probably an elaborate hoax has nothing to do with it- at least I've seen (crappy) games on the Ngage.

    skye

  13. Two Way Street by superultra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gamers are enthusiasts. Sure, there are the fanboys that are predisposed to criticizing anything except for [insert random console or - gasp - operating system - here], but by and large gamers are interested in, well, games.

    There are several products that fall right in the vein of the N-Gage and the Phantom that gamers never vehomently criticized. The late Indreama was received fairly well by both press and public. The Wonderswan remains a cult hit.
    Gamers are generally excited about anything new.

    But here's the thing. In regards to the N-gage, from the get-go Nokia has shown obliviously but inadvertantly flanted their ignorance of games, ranging from a website ripped straight from A&F, to outright insulting Nintendo. Moreover, the basic fundamental design of the portable reveals that it was not designed by anyone who had ever really played games, just looked at people playing games. The appearance of a Sony handheld on the horizon doesn't help either.

    With the Phantom, what do you expect? It's called the *Phantom*. What's more, only one journalist claims to have actually seen it. It's pricey - $300 for the bottom of the line - and will be launching (snicker) at a time when the consoles will be no more than $100 a piece. Also, having an actual physical address and not swearing at story investigators over the phone might help.

    Before we can take these newcomers seriously, they have to take us seriously. I think gamers are generally inclined to accept new things merely for the sake of novelty. Hell, look at how many gamers buy games on the first day before reviews even hit the web.

    What does the N-gage have to do? Get more than rehash games. And dear god, fix that battery/cartridge issue. Stop advertising like you're mountain dew (for a good example, see Sony's ad campaigns)

    The Phantom? Make a console and show it to more than one person.

  14. Open Source Framework... by burns210 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ok, i think the open source/Linux community has an interest in gaming, but lack the funds for hardware production which keeps console systems out of our reach... So my idea? create a framework, of APIs, opengl, etc. with a nice gracphical development enviroment to program a full blown game. These games wouldn't run on a console, necesarily, almost a virtual machine(similar to a java program). This console software could be put onto a linux desktop box and run as a program, or even have an option as a bootable drive, that makes the desktop act as a client(restart your computer, if you have a linux-console-cd inserted, it will boot to your linux console).

    That way, in the future, some company can take this console software and build a custom console box that is tailored to run the games/virtual machine really well.

    Note: this would turn into almost a very custom distro, with the goal of playing linux-console games very well, and developing the tools to make coding new games very easy...

    Just a thought