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The Business Case for Reusable Launch Vehicles

An anonymous reader writes "Remember the failures of "shuttle replacements" like VentureStar? A Space Review article argues that even if VentureStar succeeded technically, it and other proposed big RLVs would never have made it financially: they cost too much to develop and wouldn't have made it up through increased launches. What's the solution? The author says that suborbital RLVs, like what Carmack, Rutan, and the other X Prize contenders are working on, will create a business cycle that will eventually lead to orbital vehicles."

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  1. There is no incremental development path to orbit. by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 5, Informative

    The problem with incremental development of RLVs is that there's a huge
    leap between the size and difficulty of putting something into space
    for five minutes (as in the current X-prize contenders) and putting it
    into orbit (as in the shuttle). That will make it difficult to evolve our
    way into a commercial space program.

    I often find myself pointing out that just getting into space isn't
    all that hard. Lifting yourself up 100km requires about a megajoule
    (that's the energy equivalent of a stick of dynamite, or about 1/12th
    of a gallon of gasoline (about 1/4 kg or 1/2 pound of gasoline), or a
    jelly doughnut, or running a hairdryer for 2 minutes) per kilogram of
    mass.

    By contrast, orbital speed is something like 7000 meters per second,
    (or 16,000 miles per hour for you provincials). Getting going that fast
    requires an additional 24 megajoules per kilogram of mass (for a total of
    25).

    In short, the difference between the amount of energy you need to
    get into orbit and just into space is a factor of 25, for the same
    mass. That ratio of 25 is about equal to the difference between the
    latent chemical energies of broccoli and gasoline.

    Except that, in the case of space travel, you better be burning
    something at least as energetic as gasoline to start with, or you'll
    never even hoist yourself up 100km.

    The way we've traditionally gotten into orbit is to concentrate the
    kinetic energy into ever smaller bits of the vehicle: you use a huge
    rocket motor and tanks to get everything started moving, then ditch the
    empty tankage and rocket motors for the first stage -- that lets you
    concentrate on moving a smaller amount of stuff even faster.

    Realistic reusable designs are usually not staged designs,
    because it's hard to recover and reuse the first stages. The problem is
    that you have to have incredibly lightweight tankage and engines to make
    everything work. But pushing stuff to lighter weight makes it more
    flimsy and less prone to being reusable. Darn.

    The VentureStar, IIRC, ran into problems with exactly this technology --
    they were using lightweight carbon fiber tanks to hold their propellant,
    and they couldn't make the tank light enough to boost itself into orbit.

    The shuttle is NOT a reusable vehicle in any but the most technical
    sense of the word: it requires constant skilled redesign and intelligent
    (rather than scripted) maintenance, and the engines have to be overhauled
    after every flight.

  2. I don't see what the problem is: by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Funny

    We already developed the Eagle RLVs for Moonbase Alpha more over 4 years ago. Ask Commander Koenig.

  3. What About The Origional RLV? by MBCook · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I just saw a thing on the shuttle a few days ago that aired on the History Channel. They said that the shuttle was origionaly designed to have an RLV, but it was canceled due to budget concerns. It was supposed to launch with the shuttle on it's back, and would fly up near orbit where the shuttle would detach and fly the rest of the way. The RLV would then land so that it could be used again. It looked sort of like a plane. Has anyone thought about updating the design for this thing and making it?

    The best picture I could find was this one on HowStuffWorks.

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  4. It's NOT Business! by eutychus_awakes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's imagination. The aviation industry used to have a handful of folks who could imagine and conceptualize the darndest vehicles - and a slew of brilliant engineers to turn those concepts into reality (or dis-prove the concept based on technical limitations, materiaks, etc.)

    Nowadays, money issues and the eternal pursuit of higher profit margins has forced many of the dreamers out of the big aerospace companies and into places where there simply isn't the technical base to turn their ideas into anything at all. That's where the X-Prize will hopefully bear fruit - IF (when) the prize is claimed.

    How long did it take for Trans-Atlantic airlines to start showing profits after Lindy made his flight? It's a rhetorical question, but the answer might be interesting, nonetheless.

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  5. Re:There is no incremental development path to orb by ignipotentis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From my point of view, you seem to have hit the nail on the head. RLVs are something that our current energy sources just can't dream to achive. We could build the vehicle that could sustain it, but we currently have no way of powering that vehicle.

    IIRC, this is the reason behind the space elevator. Thus, we can get into space and dock with something already in orbit. Then we can transfer to some other station where work on space only vehicles can take place. These vehicles can then take advantage of ION Propulsion since it provides a constant acceleration.

    My degree isn't in aerospace engineering, neither i have i even attempted to read futher on either of the above concepts other than a quick glimpse, but it seems to me that we are going about things in the wrong direction. I wonder what it will take to bring that revelation that suddenly changes everything?

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  6. Re:Business case? by El · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People now pay $5000 to fly a MiG for a few minutes; imagine how much they'll pay to gaze out the window at a big blue marble!

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  7. Where is the "killer app" for suborbital vehicles? by RocketRick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While the article does make some good points about the high development costs, technological hurdles, and poor ROI on reusable orbital vehicles, I think that there is very little evidence of any solid business case for reusable sub-orbital vehicles. Just because it's not cost-effective to build and fly ROVs doesn't somehow make RSVs any more logical.

    As a development step leading to the next ROV, an RSV may make sense. I am the first to admit that *anything* that gets the public to refocus their attention (and money) on the pursuit of space-related technological goals is a good thing, as it will inevitably drive the aerospace industry to push the engineering envelope in many areas, particularly in materials science (things like new composites, high-temperature ceramics, etc.). Technological advancement is a worthy (and, ultimately, profitable) pursuit.

    But, in and of itself, as a "working vehicle", I can't see any suborbital spacecraft making money. There just aren't that many rich "space tourists" around to subsidize this as an industry. Suborbital vehicles are completely useless for the two main "space jobs" that countries and/or companies are willing to pay for: satellite launches and trips to the ISS.

    Low Earth Orbit (LEO) is a useful destination. If you can get "stuff" into LEO, later trips can bring more "stuff", and, if you bring enough pieces of another space ship to LEO, you can assemble them there, and can go to other places. In terms of energy, LEO is truly "halfway to anywhere". One of the (rejected for complexity and deadline reasons) proposed Apollo moon landing plans involved assembling a Earth-to-Moon ship in LEO from modules launched over a period of time using multiple smaller launchers.

    But, suborbital vehicles, by definition, can't reach LEO. Anything launched sub-orbitally *will* return to Earth, usually sooner, rather than later. There's simply no market for delivery vehicles that always bring their cargo back, and never leave it at the destination!

    Bottom line: it may make sense to use an RSV as a technology test-bed as a step on the path to developing an ROV. It makes no sense to develop an RSV as an end in itself.

  8. An intersting article by fname · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, the article makes a case for how the X-prize entries could be the springboard to cheaper access to orbital space. It seems like a nice idea, but it remains to be seen if that's the direction it will go in. I'm sure the X-prize backers have in mind a scenario like that for expanding the scope of non-governmental space efforts.

    As for an RLV, it is true that only one design has ever flown; however, to give up on a whole class of vehicles when we're still on the 1st model seems very premature. Here's one remarkable fact about the Space Shuttle Columbia: their was a breach in the wing and the it was coming apart. Yet the craft (and its software) was actually able to maintain level flight until the wing actually broke off.

    Are there flaws in the shuttle? You bet. But with 125 flights under their belt, NASA has a much better idea now how to build a reliable RLV. We're a long way from an operational vehicle, but that's only because of the high cost (and subsequent low number) of tests and launches. Maybe the X-prize entrants will solve this problem, or maybe a 2nd generation RLV will make a quantum leap in improvement-- today's big, dumb boosters are a lot better than how they started out; I bet the biggest improvments were early on.

    So good luck to Armadillo and Scaled and NASA. If congress allocates the funds for NASA, I'm sure they can build a better, safer shuttle. If not, private industry will get there someday.

  9. Ed lu by zaneIO · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ed, one of the guys aboard the ISS currently, wrote his take on the future of spaceships, which i thought was a good read.

  10. Re:Business case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...then imagine how much they'll pay for the experience of zero-G sex! Screw the mile-high club, I wanna join the 800-mile high club!

  11. Government != Profit by Sean80 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The first thing that strikes me about this article is the difference between hauling 100kg people up into space, and hauling the makings of a 10,000 tonne orbital factory into space. Will one lead to the other? Maybe. Will suborbital microgravity testing stations lead to a factory? Maybe. It just strikes me that we're not at a stage where this sort of thing can be done profitably, no matter who you are. As I say, from a market perspective, is there a logical progression from people to factories? Is there a logical progression from single-celled organisms to a human eye? Maybe, but I sure as hell can't see it. In my view, the government has always had to subsidize this sort of development simple because it can't be profitable at this stage of our development. Sure, the US government (as one example) seems to have forgotten the value of national infrastructure when it comes to Amtrak and the airlines, but surely they can still see the political merits of having an advantage in the space race? From a business perspective, I still can only see Saturn V rockets pulling factories into space. Is there a big enough market of millionaires to subsidize the trillions of dollars of development to put real rockets back into the sky? Maybe.

    The markets which such RLVs will serve also seem to be dominated by government. Missile testing? Remove sensing? I can't remember having bought a missile or whatever the hell it is that a remote sensor gives you lately. Seems like we'll be paying for it through taxes for a long time yet.

  12. Re:Where is the "killer app" for suborbital vehicl by mkldev · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Actually, there is a market for it. Two, in fact. First, low-G scientific experiments. Second, satellite launches. They already do this with the shuttle---using a booster rocket to kick the thing into a higher geosync orbit. Think of the RSV as a reusable, manned launch platform for satellites. If it could be done in a way that was totally reusable without major refurbishing, it would be a lot cheaper to launch than a Saturn V or something.

    Of course, the (disposable) booster stage would be much bigger and more costly than what they use now, but it still might be a win... emphasis on might. :-)

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  13. Been done kinda, see Skylab by MyNameIsFred · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This was somewhat the idea behind Skylab. They used the upper stage as the space station. However, the upper stage was converted to a space station on the ground.

    If I understand your friend, he proposes converting the upper stages in space. This would be difficult. You would need to rip out the machinery. Then if humans are to go inside, decontaminate them of any hazardous chemicals, left-over fuel, etc. Then install the equipment to turn it into something useful, which has to be brought up separately. Considering the difficulties of working in space, it is probably easier to do all of this on the ground.

  14. Space Elevator by mumblestheclown · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Or, we do what we should be doing NOW:
    1. Funding to nanotubles.
    2. Use remaining shuttle flights to build a space elevator. Low estimates put this at 6 flights - let's conservatively double this to 12.
    3. Space elevator by 2015 is a possible reality - financially and technologically.

    Roadblocks:

    • "rocket culture" at NASA
    • "astronaut culture" at NASA
    • materials science issues are quickly disappearing
    • some probability of catastrophic (not deadly, just catastrophic) failure early on. must be budgeted using real-options analysis.
    • 10-20B USD. This can easily be funded without "coalition" help. The US would soon own space like never before, as ESA's rockets would quickly look outdated.
    • Defense concerns - the notion that a space elevator is vulnerable to, say, hostile fighter planes.
    SPACE ELEVATOR NOW - it's good science, it's good policy.
    1. Re:Space Elevator by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Currently, nanotubes cables are not strong enough to make space elevators, they may never be for all we know. It looks promising but it's premature to start building something without all the ingredients to make the cake rise.

      The problem, as I say is the cable. The current state of the art is about 72 GPa threads multiple centimeters long. That's extremely promising. Trouble is, nobody has built a strong rope from those threads yet. Splicing normally loses 20% of the strength; pretty much we need 65 GPa strength to reach orbit- plus a safety factor; but the carbon nanotubes are really slippery right now- sticking or splicing them doesn't seem to work.

      The second problem is nearly as bad. The projected cost is maybe $20 billion (for example, nanotubes are thousands of dollars per gram, but you need ~20 tonnes for the initial 'seed' cable).

      This means that the cost of putting something up the elevator (which takes a couple of weeks anyway) is projected to be something like $500/kg (bearing in mind that the money would have to be borrowed and repaid, quite a lot of the money is repayments of the loan). That's only slightly better than a rocket can do right now- and incidentally the same nanotube technology probably allows much cheaper/better rockets to be built.

      Then there's the radiation problem- the space elevator goes all the way through the Van Allen belts and out the other side. The Van Allen belts are really nasty- the Apollo astronauts got something like 1% of a fatal dose during the few hours they took to go through them, but an elevator goes much, much, much more slowly. That means heavy shielding, but the shielding cuts into the weight that the elevator cable can carry- you're talking about a foot thickness of heavy shielding all around the elevator. So the elevator is mostly only good for freight until you have a really beefy cable (expensive), or unless you can remove the Van Allen Belts (HiVolt is one proposal to do that).

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  15. We're going about it wrong by confused+one · · Score: 4, Funny
    I say we take the aerospace guys and mix them up with the guys who build the nuclear aircraft carriers and submarines. Tell them we want a vehicle that's nuclear powered, it has to reliably go to space and back, be self-contained (no boosters, onboard repair facilities, etc.), size / weight are not a factor (more power!!! Mwuahaha), budget is unlimited.

    Then sit back and see what kind of aircraft carrier sized behemoth vehicle they come up with...

  16. Re:Buisness case? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry to disagree but your argument is historically invalid. Every new frontier has had entry costs: cost in money, cost in materials, cost in lives. If Columbus had thought the way you do the New World would never have been discovered, and you probably wouldn't be here.

    Eventually, every frontier has been commercialized and used for profit, whether it be new continents, the sea, space, the microcosm, you name it. Space already has been successfully exploited for communications, research, military and entertainment purposes, and if we continue to expand our presence there it will become even more valuable. I got news for you: space became commercially viable some time ago.

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  17. Rockets are antiquated by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's not forget that there are a number of potentially viable alternatives to strapping oneself to a controlled chemical explosion and hoping it gets you where you want to go.

    The mass-driver concept pioneered by MIT is one that could provide continuous access to near-Earth orbits with clockwork precision. It would be expensive to build and run, but once running would reliably put anything we want into orbit, continuously, twenty-four hours a day.

    Another possibility is the laser-launcher. A rocket fueled simply by tanks of water would be heated by a bank of ground-based lasers: the resulting superheated steam would lift the vehicle into the desired orbit. The energy to propel the spacecraft would come from the source powering the lasers, not from any chemical fuel in the vehicle itself. This system would have the advantage of not requiring massive acceleration: laser power could be modulated to provide a comparatively gentle takeoff.

    The irrational focus on self-contained launch vehicles is the problem: there are ways to get the required kinetic energy to the vehicle without an on-board fuel supply. Granted, it might take a nuclear power plant or two to run either of the above options, but that's a lot cheaper than building even a single space shuttle, much less developing and flying the current crop of pie-in-the-sky alternatives. Current estimates put the cost of a single space-shuttle launch at 1.5 billion dollars (I suspect that's conservative.)

    And hey, when one of these gound-based launching systems isn't boosting spacecraft into orbit, it can be connected to the local power grid to light homes and businesses. Sales of power to the local utilities could be used to help offset launch costs.

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  18. Re:What's the point? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given the amount of gold, silver and other valuable minerals that made their way from the New World to Spain and other European nations of the time, I think you're a little off-base. Historically they got a lot from the New World, as a matter of fact an entire merchant/banker class arose to profit by that exploration. Certainly, the trifling investment made by Queen Isabella in Columbus' multiple expeditions was returned handsomely. Your comparison of the exploration of the New World to our current space efforts is flawed, I'm afraid. A good history book would be in order.

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