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Universal Music To Cut CD Prices

phlack writes "CNN Money has an article about Universal Music Group's plans to slash their CD prices to $12.98 SRP, in an effort to combat piracy and bring consumers back into stores. It makes me hope the other giants will follow suit, and wonder if the music industry is finally listening to some of the consumer's complaints."

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  1. It's about time by mmoncur · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's about time - CDs have been overpriced for years.

    But when a large segment of the public is going to be comparing $12.98 with the $0.00 filesharing price, I have to wonder if it will have any effect at all.

    I wonder what the artists think of this? This price reduction has to impact their bottom line...

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    1. Re:It's about time by Magic+Thread · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What's so good about concerts? I like to own music, so that I can play it whenever it is convenient. I hear this talk all the time about how artists should make money through concerts, but I've never been to a concert in my life and don't understand why I should care to. Micropayments are probably a better idea.

    2. Re:It's about time by fewnorms · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "I wonder what the artists think of this? This price reduction has to impact their bottom line..."

      Well, I guess they don't give a shit to be blunt. I really don't think this reduction is going to hit them at all. The only people that will be affected by this reduction will be the guys working for the record company, the people that package the CD's, the guys in the record shop that will get less for each CD sold, etc etc. Not the artists themselves. They probably have a contract with the record company stating that they recieve a specific amount per CD sold, so I think they couldn't care less...

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    3. Re:It's about time by evil-osm · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm actually rather shocked that CD prices are that high in the US. In Canada CD prices range from ~$14.99 - $21.99 ($21.99 being those rare expensive collectors or double CD's). I thought that those prices were high.

      I'd be *pissed* if I had to pay $26.20 ($18.98 USD) for a crummy CD.

      Dropping the price to $12.98 is still ~$17.90 CAD, which is just brutal.

      Now the question is, will they drop the prices in Canada as well? or have they just decided that they can afford to bring the prices down in the US to reflect the same prices in Canada and still gouge us at the register?

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    4. Re:It's about time by b!arg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I generally can't stand Courtney Love but she had a pretty good speech and quote about this whole thing: "How can pirates steal money from artists when the record companies have already stolen it all?"

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    5. Re:It's about time by unclebulgaria · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How would you propose that someone determine a country via their ip address only? The top level domain is no way to determine it, nor is address information on a whois query.

      Think of AOL users in Europe for instance, they will appear as ?.aol.com, and the whois entry will match a US address.

      And I really don't see someone forging a connection to the iTunes music store, being that they have to work entirely blind (could you imagine sending your credit card number over the net a hundred times if you had to get the sequence numbers right?, not to mention the near impossibility of fooling a machine with some security built into the tcp/ip stack, such as OpenBSD, some installs of Linux, perhaps FreeBSD (and OSX by virtue of that fact).

      A proxy of some sort would be more viable the option by far. :)

      As someone else said, Apple would just check the credit card details, as they are attatched to a bank account, it should be no problem to determine the residency of the owner.

  2. To little to late by autopr0n · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you ask me, I think the right price for a CD is about $5. $12.98 is a bit much (and why 98? do they think consumers have gotten wise to the whole $n+.99 thing?) It'll eventualy happen.

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    1. Re:To little to late by homer_ca · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The article also said cassette prices would drop to $8.98 which is closer to where it should be. Cassettes don't matter much since they're extinct anyway, but it is interesting because they were sold for the same price as vinyl LPs, and just before they disappeared, LPs sold for $8.99-$9.99.

      They've rolled prices back to 1988 which they could afford to do anyway since as a cartel, they can name their price. CDs are still overpriced at $12.98. They originally justified the higher prices by pointing to their new, expensive CD pressing plants, but long ago CDs became cheaper to make than LPs or tapes.

    2. Re:To little to late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "But for independant artists, it's a little different."

      It shouldn't be if you're tech savvy. Since you're posting on Slashdot, I would have expected you to be tech savvy? It doesn't sound like you are. 100 Mitsui CD-R Bulk $50. That's only .50 CENTS per CD-R. This is the high quality stuff. You could even go much cheaper than this, and why not?

      You give away 150 CD's? You could easily burn that many CD's with a cheap ($700 range) CD Duplication tower that cranks out about 60 CD-R per hour. Who needs all the fluff and assorted crap? I thought it was about the music. You could easily print out your own CD Labels with a color printer, not fancy booklets, but you're starting out. You could make the fancy booklets later when you're wealthy. We are talking about pennies per case here, and again pennies to stamp CD-Labels with your band name on the CD-R itself.

      So you're out what? 60 cents per CD-R?

      x 1000

      $600 total costs per batch of 1000 CD's.

      Give away 150.

      Sell 850 at $5 each.

      $4250 per batch. Sounds like profit to me.

      Who says you can only sell one batch in a year? If you can't sell more than 850 CD's in a year than you have some serious marketing problems IMHO. If you could sell and produce and distribute even 10 batches (10,000 CD's) which is somewhat small time you would be looking at around $36,000 a year in profit.

      Maybe you should re-examine the idea of giving http://www.discmakers.com all of your money and learn how to cut the middle man out of your operations.

  3. GE/NBC already affecting Vivendi's choices by RobertB-DC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You probably can't convince me that the move by Universal -- a unit of hard-luck French water utility Vivendi -- doesn't have anything to do with Universal's pending aquisition by GE's NBC unit.

    I figure it's one of two things:

    * Vivendi is looking to spoil the deal with a profit-killing "poison pill". This would be the strategy of former Vivendi chairman Jean-Marie Messier -- but it's also part of why he's the former chairman.

    * GE has already given Universal marching orders -- this was planned months ago. According to this morning's NPR report, Vivendi has been shopping for a buyer for its entertainment units for months, but all previous deals have fallen through. They're likely to do whatever GE says at this point (unless we're back to the first option).

    General Electric isn't in the business of filing baseless lawsuits -- they're in the business of making money. Maybe they'll be the ones to blow the lid off the CD price scam once and for all.

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  4. Explain Cassette vs CD price. by eddy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Explain why Cassette is still going to be cheaper. No, really. I want to hear it.

    Could it possibly be that CDs are way, way overpriced, even at $13?

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    1. Re:Explain Cassette vs CD price. by Vyce · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Noone can explain this other than music companies swear CDs are better quality and thus charge more for it than the same music on cassette. Of course, since the cassette is basically dead...they should stop sticking it to us and charge the same price. If anything they should lower the price of CDs according to manufacturing price and make everyone happy. On the other hand, greedy people don't become ungreedy overnight.

  5. good bands by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Dude, there are a zillion bands that sound good, with CDs and everything. The problem is not getting new bands, the problem is getting their stuff on the airwaves for people to experience. Check out your local independent radio stations. There's a _fantastic_ morning show here in Seattle on KEXP (kexp.org - check out the online stream & playlist). The show is "John in the Morning". Flat out fantastic stuff that you won't hear anywhere else on the airwaves in Seattle. Listen and then buy their CDs from their own websites, whatever you have to do to support them, if you want good music.

  6. Re:Yeah Right by Magic+Thread · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They don't get $12.98, the stores do. They get a little less than that. I wonder what the new CDs will cost at Cheap-CDs, which sells CDs at near wholesale prices. That should give you a better idea of how much profit the record companies are making.

  7. Four explanations by yerricde · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Explain why Cassette is still going to be cheaper.

    Less demand among consumers for cassettes.

    Some CDs have bonus tracks not available on cassette, and the songwriter and recording artist get paid only for the CDs.

    A CD case typically has more space for liner notes than a cassette case does, and the graphic artist gets paid only for the copies included with CDs.

    Some newer CDs come with promotional items such as DVDs containing music videos and glimpses into production.

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  8. Unless by snubber1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I worked for a car dealership (doing computer stuff, not sales) Subaru decided that the prices on accessories were too high. To correct this they lowered the list price.
    Not the cost mind you, but MSRP.
    Now the dealers were force to take a paycut while Subaru kept the same profit margin.

    I would not be suprised to find out that the cut in list price on the cds was much greater than the cost the stores pay.

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  9. some hard data by ink_polaroid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is ironic that the top echelon of recording artists could not exist without an industry to support them. Strip away the managers and agents, stylists and coaches, from someone like Justin Timberlake and ask is it possible that he could still make a living from music? Probably not. Ani di Franco, on the other hand, has been making a comfortable income for years without the support of the business she's supposed to be in.

    As Douglas Adams pointed out, many companies aren't in the business you think they're in. Fox News is, despite a million conspiracy theories to the contrary, simply in the business of delivering an audience to its advertisers. The ethics and actions of the "Big 5" corporations who control 90% of record sales make rather more sense if they are viewed, not as separate companies, but as one distributed bank.

    As anyone with any experience of dealing with banks will know, they are monolithically slow to react to changes in the environment, and are populated with highly intelligent, but narrow-minded, solipsists. They're doing now what every one of us was warning them that they should be doing the instant MP3 was rolled out.

    By way of related tangent, here is an article by Steve Albini about his experiences with one of the majors, and his advice to anyone thinking of getting involved. At the bottom of the page is a detailed breakdown of a typical deal in which the "industry" made $973,000 and each of the four band members made $4,031.25.

    When the entire system is that fucked, the price of a CD is moot.

  10. Re:Pricey by hankaholic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Best Buy can suck it.

    Sometime during the late 90's I purchased a copy of Pink Floyd's "The Wall" album for around $20.

    Over the weekend, I was in Best Buy hell (waiting with a friend while he attempted to buy a 50" DLP HDTV without being forced into buying a $400 power strip...) and wandered over to the CD racks, having since lost the copy of The Wall which I'd bought half a decade ago.

    They wanted... $33.

    Fuck that -- if it were $15, I'd have considered just caving and buying the damned thing again (it's a double album, and a bloody good one at that).

    If CDs were $3-$5 apiece (especially older ones), I'd have a huge legal collection. As it is, I'd rather download the MP3s for songs I bought the right to listen to years ago than to spend $33 for physical media which was doubtlessly produced for less than $3 and which cost me $20 when I legally bought it before.

    This is a start, but come on, folks -- tapes used to be cheaper than this, and they cost much more to produce. I'll cheer when they're under $5 per album, and there are talks of shortening the length of copyright protection.

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  11. Buy Used CDs - send $2 to artist(s) by Sean+Clifford · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Screw Universal and the rest of the RIAA members: unless they're indie buy used CDs and send the artist $2, go to a concert. Musicians don't make dick from CD sales - all production, promotion, legal, administrative, and other costs are charged against the artist. Once *all* of that is cleared, then they get paid a sliver of what's left over after their producer, manager, and entertainment lawyer snack. As an added injury, only in the music industry do artists not retain copyright to their works. Many musicians are now discovering piece-for-hire, you don't retain the copyright to your works. Concerts: this is where artists make their money, their bread and butter - it's certainly not from CD sales. They go on tour, license t-shirts, ball caps, posters, whatever. Make a chunk of concessions, etc. And now the music industry wants a piece of concerts too. Screw 'em. Screw them in both ears - buy indie. If there's non-indie tunes you dig on, visit your local CD Warehouse or hit eBay and buy albums used - then send the artist a couple of bucks.