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IBM's New Linux Advertising

Amit Shah writes "IBM is airing a commercial featuring Linux as reported on Economic Times. This could be the first major way to reach out to normal users and explain the benefits of open source and Linux. The ad says, "Collecting data is only the first step toward wisdom, but sharing data is the first step toward community""

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  1. "Makes life simpler". Right. by Thinkit3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's the future. This is a great move by IBM, just to get the mindset to the masses. Eventually we'll get beyond copyright and patent, but this is a start--even if it's by a huge corporation.

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  2. not their first by wawannem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IBM ran a good commercial a while back where some cops were walking around a vacant server room while a PHB-type was explaining that all the servers had been stolen. Then the IT guy walks in and says, that they were not stolen but replaced with one linux server. The best part was as the commercial closed, one detective looks at the other and says: "What's a server?" - Classic :)

  3. Why would I need Linux??? by Shant3030 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hope these commercials will address one simple question... Why would I need Linux? Most users (non-techies), probably don't need to learn how to use Linux because Windows provides them with everything they need. Maybe they are targeting large companies, in this campaign, and hopefully they will realize the benefits of using Linux in the business world. For regular users(non-techies), I just don't see the point of using Linux.

    Until it becomes easier to use, more compatible with hardware and less nerdy, the majority of computer users will just not use it. Look at MAC's. People are reluctant to use MAC's because in their eyes, its something that they are not used to.

    Its great that IBM is marketing Linux, I'd certainly love to see my family and friends use it, but they are totally shut off to the idea.
    They are comfortable with using Windows because they just dont have the interest in the learning curve Linux presents.

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  4. Linux. The Future is Open. IBM. by ihatesco · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Collecting data is only the first step toward wisdom, but sharing data is the first step toward community," Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr advises the boy in the ad, recalling the ethos of the programming community behind Linux.

    The ad closes with the slogan "Linux. The Future is Open. IBM."

    My jaw is wide open.
    Ok, IBM wants to capitalize on Linux, IBM is a company, in the past IBM has been a corrupt monopoly trying to stranglehold their clients with the proprietary ties after fscking them in the first place.

    But the memes passed by this particular advertisement are something radically different than those teached by conventional advertisements and pro-capitalist ethos (consume! consume! don't think about tomorrow! spend now!).

    Really, this stuff is jaw-dropping.
    It's not like the cluetrain stopping in front of IBM (now we only need an express train passing in Darl McBride's office like that Athlon vs Pentium III commercial), but it's like someone saying that the time is mature for an economy based on Free Software to be born and TRY to impose herself on a wide-open scale.
    Not Eazel Gnome Nautilus and crap like that, not the dotcomboom of 121 different Linux distros, but a wide world collaborating on making better, documented, free, opensource and secure systems with minor tweakings among them just to make sure that they suit individual needs. (2414 different Gnu/Linux distros!!! ;D)

    Hell, also Microsoft is committed to a large-scale opensource initiative.

    And I also think that this particular advertisement is what we waited in order to say that GNU and Linux have won.

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    BSD, on the other hand, is dead... :D (ok, that was a joke)

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  5. Quite so! by Faust7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Makes life simpler". Right.

    This is valid point; in fact, it's actually oozing validity. If Linux is going to be presented in mass advertising as a device for simplification, it had better damn well live up to that description.

    Like as not, many people already consider things plenty simple with Windows, especially XP and Server 2003. If Linux is going to simplify that, there must be some readily demonstrable ways in which it does so. Disillusionment is typically quick to take hold in folks, and once it's settled, it's monolithic to overcome.

    1. Re:Quite so! by Azghoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm curious to know if you have any sort of proof behind your statement that Linux is at least as "infectable" as Windows. I'm not so sure, I'm wondering why you are.

      I'd also like to scrutinize your "ingeniously called support fee's (sic)" comment. Of course, this only applies to those of us with "legal" copies of all software, but last I checked, the support fees for Linux are completely voluntary, while license fees for any commercial software are not.

      I expect the "forced upgrade cycle" argument is a fallacy on both sides: MS and their ilk push to 'force' upgrades, because they need the revenue. While you're right that Redhat doesn't support verion 6, I'm sure you could find /someone/ who will.

      Finally, most modern distributions require no hunting down of patches. Apt for debian and others, up2date (or even apt) for RedHat.

      You're right: The points can be argued, can't they? :)

    2. Re:Quite so! by Tony-A · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From my very unpatched NT4 Workstation (which doesn't run the latest Microsoft worms very good;), I'd say that it is the tendency for Microsoft to hide as much as possible and the lookee-lookee, clickee-clickee mentality that's causing the majority of the problems. If anything, it seems like the better grade of wormage has been directed at Linux, but it doesn't seem to accomplish much of anything. I'm not saying that Linux or even OpenBSD is immune, but they seem to fare much better, and the reasons are not as simple as fewer of them, better and faster patching, or even better educated users. The idea of smart users, dumb computer still works. Smart computers, dumb users seems to fare even worse than Wyle E. Coyote.

  6. Sup with the slogan? by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Collecting data is only the first step toward wisdom, but sharing data is the first step toward community.

    Nice slogan. Makes me want to put my hand over my heart and stare knowingly toward the horizon.

    What's it got to do with Linux though? Data sharing seems to have more to do with databases and web services, neither of which are explicitly Linux oriented traits. It seems to me it's not data, but functionality that's shared in the Linux community.

    It's something like this: we both need to build a house. I'm going to need a ladder and a saw, you're going to need a ladder and a saw. If you build the ladder, and share it with me, I'll build the saw and share it with you. It doesn't mean we're going to tell each other what's inside the house, what's going on with the house, etc. No data is shared, just the tools for organizing and arranging it. Sharing the TOOLS makes a community. Sharing data makes, I dunno, an RIAA lawsuit?

    I know, I know. The slogan is meant to strike at executives who make snap decisions and watch golf on the weekends. After all, they're the only ones not using OSS already ;). Doesn't foregive IBM from coming up with a slogan that muddys the already murky question of "What is up with the GNU community?"

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  7. Re:"Makes life simpler". Right. by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    " This is a great move by IBM, just to get the mindset to the masses."

    It ain't that great. The ad doesn't even say what Linux is.

    Call me cynical but an 'ad' that doesn't tell you what it's advertising isn't an ad. The people who already know about Linux are the only ones who are going to get anything from it.

    (Note: I'd agree with your point if simply the commercial was better at getting the idea across.)

  8. Re:"Makes life simpler". Right. by generic-man · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone in the IT community has heard of Linux, but most people know it as a community effort. The commercial is targeted at corporate buyers, and seeks to enhance Linux's image by associating the operating system with a well-known, respected company (IBM).

    This isn't the 1950s. Big businesses use commercials nowadays to build brands, not sell products. Consider the most well-known commercials, like Apple's "1984" ad and Coca-Cola's "Mean Joe Green" spot from the '70s. Memorable campaigns don't drill product data into your head.

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  9. Win2000 as stable as Linux? *cough* by tjwhaynes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With perfect honesty, as someone who has used and programmed various OSes and hardware, the differences between Linux and Windows are few. Both are hugely complex from the user's point of view, and both are arguably incomprehensible on the source level. (Remember, you can't just talk about the Linux kernel, but the entire package including XFree86, drivers, the window manager, KDE, etc.) So it's not like either one is a clear winner in terms of ease-of-use or architectural cleanliness. It used to be that Linux was more stable, but with Windows 2000 that's no longer true.

    Well, my system uptimes tell a different story. But you don't have to trust my figures - take a look at Netcraft uptimes. These aren't the highest uptimes of all - almost without exception, the best uptimes are held by BSD derivatives (around 5 years). For the most popular sites, Linux tends to knock in around 100+ days. Windows 2000 knocks around in the high-20's, low 30's.

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  10. Re:Don't use mplayer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only a fool would be short-sighted enough to not to see the danger of using (supporting) Microsoft protocols, especially over the Internet.

    In the Halloween Document, a Microsoft strategist wrote:

    > OSS projects have been able to gain a foothold in many server applications because of the wide utility of highly commoditized, simple protocols. By extending these protocols and developing new protocols, we can deny OSS projects entry into the market.

    Or consider this evidence in the Java case:

    > Microsoft's Executive Vice President, Paul Maritz, outlined Microsoft's strategy to win the browser war with Netscape and simultaneously "neutralize Java" by "tying" the "user interface" and "APIs" "back to Windows,"

    This quote also shows us how Microsoft operates:

    > at this point its [sic] not good to create MORE noise around our win32 java classes. Instead we should just quietly grow j++ share and assume that people will take advantage of our classes without ever realizing they are building win32-only java apps."

    And then there's this little gem:

    > "Subversion has always been our best tactic," John Ludwig, Microsoft's vice president in charge of Java development, wrote. "It leaves the competition confused, and they don't know what to shoot at anymore."

    Perhaps this quote sums it up the best:

    > "This is really the core of Microsoft's business," Gartner Research Director Chris LeTocq said. "Microsoft is in business to leverage APIs. That's a key element of the successful market share it has."

    If you haven't understood the point, then here it is...

    If you continue to accept the ASF format, then you are encouraging websites to use it.

    But it's still a protocol that is controlled by Microsoft.

    In the future, Microsoft will:

    1. Upgrade ASF to an incompatible format.

    2. Start enforcing their ownership of ASF by restricting its use to Microsoft platforms (as GIFs started to be enforced).

    3. Lock up ASF using Microsoft .Net and DRM protocols.

    And the websites that are using ASF will go along blindly. Why? Because no one has been complaining to them about their use of ASF, so they have no reason to avoid Microsoft's "improvements."

    And at that point, the content of those websites will become unavailable to you unless you are running Windows XP.

    It really annoys me when people fail to protect themselves, and everyone else, because they are too lazy or short-sighted to put up with a little temporary inconvenience. Are you hoping that someone else will do the work of protecting your freedom? Well, don't.

    It's up to you. If you want the Internet to remain free, then stop supporting Microsoft protocols.