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Universities Taken Offline to Fight Worms, Viruses

chrismg2003 writes "Nationwide universities are opening their doors to new students but closing off their network services. The Blaster worm has caused universities to take drastic actions to protect their campus networks. Universities have gone as far as shutting down their entire resnet network and bringing it back up dorm-by-dorm after each computer has been certified worm-free. The ICMP ping requests alone have brought down my university's resnet multiple times and we are scrambling to clean the worm from all computers before it forces us to follow suit with other universities."

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  1. Can ISPs get with it too? by inertia187 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can we get the ISPs to do this too? It'd be really great if they'd just turn off a tiny manageable chunk of infected users and wait for them to call support. Support could then tell them to patch, or upgrade, or get some other type of clue. A really with-it ISP could just replace the web page the user wanted with a page that tells them to get with it.

    Problem is, any plan will cost money to support. Worse, it might prompt the users to just cancel their service. I can't imagine ISPs like that idea. At least with the universities, the students have no choice, pretty much.

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    1. Re:Can ISPs get with it too? by The_K4 · · Score: 5, Funny

      ISP Guy: Your coputers Infected, get a patch.
      Customer: I can't download the patch, you've turned off my internet access

      That could be a problem :)

    2. Re:Can ISPs get with it too? by dexter+riley · · Score: 4, Funny

      ISP Guy: In that case, let me E-mail it to you.

    3. Re:Can ISPs get with it too? by colinramsay · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Here in the UK, NTL did just that. I'd taken down our firewall for about five minutes and in that time we contracted Blaster, which promptly got eaten by Welchia. I scanned for Blaster and applied the MS patch but didn't scan for Welchia...

      Next day, we try and go online only to be redirected to http://outbreak.ntli.net/ which told us they'd found that we were transmitting loads of data... they gave us links to blaster and welchia scanners and the MS patch. Until we stopped transmitting we weren't going to be allowed onto the net at large.

      Upon removing Welchia we were promptly allowed back online. I've never been very impressed with NTL before, but this sort of decisive action was very impressive.

    4. Re:Can ISPs get with it too? by dazk · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Where's the problem to shut people down but allow them to reach a server where all the relevant patches for the malware causing a shutdown is available? Might even be a proxy to official MS sites.

    5. Re:Can ISPs get with it too? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A few hours. You honestly think it'd take just a few hours to 1) take all the calls from a bunch of people who's net connection are shut down and 2) instruct them (and potentially walk them through) how to disinfect and patch their systems? Really. Frankly, I find it remarkable how naive you are...

      I absolutely agree with the original poster... if some idiot doesn't patch his box, I shouldn't suffer. If anything, set up rules at the upstream router to shut down his, and only his, connection (hell, you could automate this if you wanted). But don't you dare touch mine.

    6. Re:Can ISPs get with it too? by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, I don't buy this argument. Suppose there's some terrible disease going around. However, there's a freely-available vaccine available for anyone who's not so lazy that they can't call a number and have a county health worker at their front door in 10 minutes to personally give them a shot. There's enough vaccine available for everyone in the whole country, and then some; however, the county health workers will only come if you call. There's public service announcements all over radio, TV, the internet, and public highway signs telling you all of this, so there's no way you can't know of it. Everyone at work talks about it. Lastly, this disease only affects some people. People with green eyes are naturally immune.

      But even with all this, lots of people for some reason are just too lazy or too stupid to get this vaccine. According to you, every place should be quarantined to make sure the disease doesn't spread further, even though this is going to be a major PITA to all those people who got vaccines, and all the green-eyed people who don't have any problem in the first place. This is stupid. What should be done is just let the disease run its course, just like we do with the flu every year. Anyone too lazy or stupid to protect themselves, given how easy it is to do and how impossible it is to not know better, deserves to die.

  2. Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This situation has affected me. I wonder how they will certify my Linux computer. They can't run their security checker stuff on it, as it doesn't even run windows. I may have to put up a patched XP install just to regain network access. Anyone got a spare copy to donate?

    1. Re:Linux by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sounds like the BSA audits. A company a friend works for runs all critical systems on some form of UNIX, the idiot "technician" from the BSA didn't understand that a company could run something other than windows and tried to find some way to install their scanner. He wouldn't leave for several days and the company couldn't use their systems during that time because the BSA guys were accompanied by sheriffs officers and a warrant specifying nothing be touched until the audit was completed so that no evidence was eliminited. Eventually the IT people at the company got the state crime lab computer people to tell the sheriff that the guy from the BSA was an idiot and that the company should be allowed to use their systems.

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  3. Re:Places of Wisdom? by abh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > upgrade to a more secure operating system. If you mean Linux, I assume you somehow are going to fund training all the students how to use it, along with getting all of the school's faculty and staff to support it, along with providing for Linux patch management efforts. Yeah, right. Back to the real world we go...

  4. Non-windows Students by fupeg · · Score: 5, Funny

    You should get a partial tuition refund if you don't use Windows, and thus the university's IT doesn't have to worry about you.

  5. Say what? by ldm · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "I think we really need to groom a new type of student who is responsible for their computer security," said Kathy Gillette, manager of George Mason University's beleaguered tech support center. "A lot of them lived at home and mom or dad took care of the computer so they've never learned how to fix them, but hopefully we'll be able to teach them that too."
    *blink* I have yet to encounter a situation where a college-level student has their home computer taken care of by a parent... quite the opposite, usually. WTF?
  6. Our Solution by RedSynapse · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I posted this before but it's still relevant..

    I work for tech support for a large (30,000+ students) university. This fall we're expecting as many of 30 percent of the machines coming to residence to be infected with a worm.

    To defend against this we're going scan all machines over the network during the registration process and if the machine is vulnerable the browser will get redirected to a webpage with the relevant patches which the client must apply. If they don't apply the patch they won't be able to connect to anything but our internal authentication vlan.

    One of the reasons our networks get hammered during any worm incident is that there are so many machines connected to the network that just aren't patched ever.. Eventually we just have to manually shut down the ports infected machines are connected to and wait till clients call to complain to explain why they've been disconnected.

  7. Re:They should have patched IN JULY by joe52 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except that most students weren't around in July. You can't make students apply patches while they are off for the summer.

    Of course you can try to educate them so that they will understand the need for these patches and apply them on their own, but actually achieving that goal is not a trivial task (and perhaps drastic actions like kicking machines off university networks are the first step in a tough love approach that might just work).

  8. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

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  9. Too mechanical by Tor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Tech support services are basically overhead at an ISP (as far as increased service burden, ultimately cost to you). The easier you make the service, and the less dependent on tech support, the better for its consumers.

    Indeed, if you call your favorite big ISPs tech support, they are unlikely to provide real help anyway (little technical insight, low pay, high turnover). Adding the extra burden of instructing the user how to un-infect their computer on something mechanical like individual telephone tech support would not help matters.

    I favor the idea of cutting off infected customers. But I think the mechanism of getting customers back online should not involve the customer having to figure out that they need to call tech support - at least not first. The better way to support them is to redirect ALL HTTP requests from these customers to a ISP-provided site, which in turn informs the customer that they are seeing this page because their network access has been lost due to a virus problem on their computer.

    That's the way that AT&T got customers off their @Home services (e.g. static IP addresses, dns/nntp/pop3/imap server information, etc etc). All HTTP requests went to a canned page. All usenet newsgroups at the old NNTP server contained a single message - one that instructed the customer to reconfigure their NNTP settings. All requests from non-DHCP provided IP addresses were directed to an appropriate placeholder.

  10. OK, great. At least there are funny quotes by randyest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The action seems perfectly reasonable to me:

    To get the school's message across, all students were asked to sign a document confirming that their computers were updated with all the needed security upgrades. Not enough students confirmed that their machines were updated, prompting the GMU action today. Administrators said they would try later today to reconnect dorms, weeding out students with infected PCs. Students living off campus can continue to dial in to the campus computer network.

    Looks like the kids are getting a decent deal on virus-removal and system updates too:

    Students are being charged $30 if a university technician is called in to clean an infected machine, a school spokesman said. Students can go to off-campus experts for a fix but must certify that their computers are updated with the latest security fixes before being allowed to access the campus network.

    Hmph, I can't find anything wrong here. Of course, there are a couple of choice quotes from the kids who, I believe, are our future:

    Kimberly Borchert, a 19-year-old sophomore, said her computer "freaked out" as soon as she plugged it into the school's network last week.

    Freshman Andrew Canose was one of several GMU students who encountered problems after installing the university-provided anti-virus software. Canose found the new program conflicted with an older anti-virus program already on his computer. "My computer is like at war with itself and won't work," he said.


    But my favorite lines are from the admins, such as this gem:

    "I think we really need to groom a new type of student who is responsible for their computer security," said Kathy Gillette, manager of George Mason University's beleaguered tech support center. "A lot of them lived at home and mom or dad took care of the computer so they've never learned how to fix them, but hopefully we'll be able to teach them that too."

    And the classic:

    "There were a certain percentage of students that wouldn't listen to us unless we hit them upside the head with a lockout," he said. "You simply can't deal with these problems until you've got your network under control."


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  11. This ISP does by nathana · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work in Technical Support for a local ISP here that provides access via dial-up, DSL, and terrestrial wireless (802.11b mostly, but also Turbocell, Trango & Motorola 5GHz solutions as well for backhaul links and bigger clients), and we also supply net access to a few apartment complexes and student housing facilities in the area (college town ISP).

    Ever since Welchia hit, we have been doing exactly what is being described here: kicking off individual customers and even shutting off entire chunks of our network when it is discovered that a particular user or a large group of users are infected with Welchia and spewing their worm-related ICMP crap all over creation. We've had to take down entire apartment complexes and have people go door-to-door with CDs containing the removal tools and MS patches before bringing them back up.

    I'm not certain how many people outside of the ISP technical support world know just how much of a PAIN Blaster and Welchia have been FOR technical support departments. Welchia came out, what, 2-3 weeks ago?, and although for the most part the majority of people are not seeing their effects anymore, these worms *are* still alive and kicking, and I don't see the end in sight anytime soon...our incoming calls have skyrocketed ever since the worms were released and especially after we found we had to take the drastic actions that we have had to take, and they have not waned yet!

    We're going to be forced to continue to deal with these annoyances (-- understatement) for a long time to come.

  12. UW Labs by jeeryg_flashaccess · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The UW labs in Seattle were hit real hard by the Blaster worm. Thus, the UW campus network was a mess for a bit. Main causes: First, students can use the computers for whatever they want... i.e. the computers are very open. Second, IT didn't patch the computer.

    Now you may wonder why I said "computer" and not "computers". Well here is why...the UW has an imaged drive lab. So one computer is used to push updates to EVERY single computer. Everytime a student logs off a computer the hard drive is made fresh again (cleaned) by the master server. That ensures proper working order and minimum IT staff work. Anything the student installed is erased too.

    Single point of failure anyone?

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  13. Ow. But you know... by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    sometimes the techs are so harried for time that they don't get around to patching their own shit.

    Sometimes they are so lame they can't be bothered to wipe their own asses, either...

    Still, what a professional embarassment!

  14. RIT's Solution -- Working well by LogicX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work for RESNet at Rochester Institute of Technology. We've implemented a pretty good solution which has stopped no-one from internet access for any extended period of time.

    Every PC on our network must go to start.rit.edu (when they plug in they get a temporary 10. IP, which can only access select servers, and other machines on their subnet). At the start.rit.edu page we've coded an activex control which checks the version numbers of the RPC DCOM patched files (We compiled a list of every major windows version, every service pack, pre/post RPC DCOM patch). If the user is not patched, they are redirected to a page indicating which patches they must download/install off our server -- we also have allowed the users to access windows update through a proxy (if IE auto proxy detection is turned on).

    Finally we've coded a program, and put it on a CD entitled the RIT Windows Resource Kit. The program automatically detects their OS version, and upon them clicking a button, runs ipconfig /release to get them off the network, installs any and all necessary patches, installs the university-licensed mcafee antivirus, updates the definitions, and prompts them to restart at appropriate moments. Also on the CD for severe cases we have all the individual updates, and the Stinger virus remover.

    We also have RIT servers on campus who's logs are parsed on an hourly basis, and any machine which has connected to it in an attempt to spread the worm is blocked from the network. We then have a new custom-coded web interface which correlates with our network registration database: IPEdit that we can use to look up users who can't get online, explain to them to get the CD, patch their PC, run stinger, and then we can reeanble them. Most users are back online within an hour.

    So far we've distributed over 5,000 copies of the CDs to each incoming freshmen and returning upperclassmen. (15,000 students at the college). As can be seen, our bandwidth usage is very much under control. Although we've experienced a lot of call volume (300 students a day) this last weekend as 2500 freshmen moved in, I'm happy to say that over 4000 students are registered on the network, and the phone in our office hasn't rung for the last hour.

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  15. Re:MSN Messenger... argh. by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 4, Informative
    msconfig.

    msconfig is the answer to all your problems with stupid applications running at startup (like messenger, realplayer, etc). Start->Run, type in msconfig, hit enter. Go to the rightmost tab, "Startup", and uncheck all the boxes. Your computer will start up and run faster and more reliably, and you won't get retarded MSN messenger starting up (though you can still start it manually if you really have a burning desire to use it). You have to do this periodically since whenever you install a program nowadays it adds something to this list. Some programs are even adding Windows services, which aren't disabled by this screen. Luckily the next tab to the left is "Services", and it even has an option to hide all the default ones that come with Windows so you can selectively disable the ones installed by programs (And while you're at it, disable the deceptively named "Messenger" service from Microsoft to stop those stupid gray popup ads from appearing).

    The constant use of msconfig is practically essential to running a decent windows system these days, so it's something everyone should know about. The combined use of msconfig and AdAware can keep a windows system reasonably clean of useless commercial junk, extending the time before you need to do a reinstall to remove all the crap.

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  16. Re:Here's a solution by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Toss a webpage up that says:
    "We detected MSblaster on you machine, please goto to microsoft wupport, and download the appropriet patch"

    I think this is a brilliant world. Unfortunately, there are already some sleazy companies who have pop-up ads that say the same thing. (ie. "You're infected with MSBlaster, patch your machine, then protect yourself permanently with (whatever the company's product is called.)"

    You could also exploit a common NT hole by sending an NTMESSENGER message to them. (ie. "Message from Root@yourdomain.com: Your machine has been infected with a virus, please visit Windows Update to apply the patch ASAP.) ...But of course that would probably not have much in the way of positive effect, and would annoy plenty of people as well.
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  17. UConn saved our tail by Prep · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here at Denison University, we were lucky enough to catch wind of this perl script, written by Josh Richard of the University of Minnesota-Duluth and enhanced by Mike Lang of the University of Connecticut enhanced it. We modified our standard registration web page (unknown mac-addresses are handed a dummy ip and all traffic redirects to a registration page. Once they register, DHCP hands them a "real" ip) to scan for the DCOM vulnerability using the UCONN script. Users that fail the test are redirected to a page offering links to the patches. Users that pass are directed to the standard registration page, including virus scanning downloads. UConn also includes handy suggestions for using TCP dump to listen on port 135 and for ICMP, note it in a log, giving you a great list of IPs that need to be cleaned. Read UConn's entire summary page here. It saved us.

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