PowerMac G5 Picture Gallery

Equal Time: The Alternatives by Mr.+Darl+McBride · 2003-09-05 09:51 · Score: 4, Funny

I fail to see how this Mac hopes to compete with the beauty of a Windows machine.

Perhaps nobody told these people they could have a UnixWare license and half a year's support for the cost of that G5 machine. And UnixWare PC hardware is cheaper than Windows and Mac hardware both, since it only runs on older hardware.

Re:Equal Time: The Alternatives by 47Ronin · 2003-09-05 18:02 · Score: 2, Insightful

are we gonna see a G5 Slashdot icon on these stories or what? It's not a G4 like the topic icon shows here on the headline. Try this:
http://www.apple.com/g5processor/

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No big deal by FattMattP · 2003-09-05 09:56 · Score: 4, Funny

All he did was paint it white and put the words "Click here to get the plugin" on the side.

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Wow. by drrobin_ · 2003-09-05 10:04 · Score: 2, Insightful

Apple has done the amazing, once again: Somehow they made a geek toy sexy.

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Other interesting pictures of the G5... by greenhide · 2003-09-05 10:07 · Score: 5, Funny

...can be found here.

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Re:Other interesting pictures of the G5... by satanami69 · 2003-09-05 14:28 · Score: 2, Informative

Damn,
Not Safe For Work.
NSFW.

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9 Fans? by RzUpAnmsCwrds · 2003-09-05 10:07 · Score: 2, Interesting

I know that the fans are supposed to be "super silent", but I would have expected more from Apple. My Athlon XP 2000+ (Palamino, 67W), GeForce4 Ti4200, 3xRAID 7200rpm desktop is cooled by only 3 Panaflo L1a fans (24cfm, 1900rpm). There's a Zalman on the GPU, so no fan there, an Alpha 8045 with a Panaflo on the CPU, a modded PSU with a Panaflo L1a, and a Panaflo L1a case fan. Even with all the fans on full blast, it's quiet, and when I use my motherboards thermal control function, it's nearly silent (the HDDs, which are Samsung SpinPoint P40s - quiet, are quite a bit louder than the fans).

One might wonder why Apple, a company known for industrial design, didn't design a 0 fan or at least 1 fan chassis. Imagine a system where both processors, as well as the PSU, are cooled by a single fan. If anyone can do it, it's either Zalman or Apple.

First,
1: How quiet, exactly, is this 9 fan setup? Is it quieter than the HDDs? If anyone has a G5, could they respond.
2: How quiet is it under load? When you are playing a 3D game or rendering video, does it sound like a jet engine or does it remain quiet and civil.
3: Why exactly did Apple elect a 9-fan setup? Fans are likely the fist part to fail on the computer. Also, as fans age, they get noisier. Do the fans in the G5 stop when they aren't needed or do they continue at a low RPM?

Re:9 Fans? by CptChipJew · 2003-09-05 10:10 · Score: 4, Informative

The fans in the G5 are computer controlled. They are only on when they are needed.

According the Jobs (paraphrased): "You might think '9 fans? Oh my god' But it turns out the opposite is true. We've gotten the noise down to 35dba at room temperature, 3x quieter than the latest G4".

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Re:9 Fans? by NivenHuH · 2003-09-05 10:13 · Score: 2, Informative

The fans are variable speed and spin up faster as the machine gets hotter... I was looking at a demo 1.6ghz unit in the store (at a micro center in one of their tech rooms) and it was pretty silent...

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Re:9 Fans? by Tumbleweed · 2003-09-05 10:13 · Score: 4, Informative

1) I went to the local Apple Store over the weekend. The 1.8GHz machine was there, and I couldn't hear the fans, even with my head next to the machine.

2) I dunno.

3) Only the dual 2GHz machine has 9 - there are fewer in the single proc models. They have implemented a cooling zone design in the case - different zones have different cooling requirements. It's a really neat idea. The fans are large and rotate slowly, and thus produce virtually no noise. When the case is closed, you DON'T hear them. The aluminum case is unlike aluminum PC cases - the aluminum is very thick. Nice.

The fans are computer controlled.

Go check a system out at your local Apple Store(tm).

Wish I had the money for one, but I gotta get a new car first. *sigh*
Re:9 Fans? by squiggleslash · 2003-09-05 10:52 · Score: 3, Informative

One might wonder why Apple, a company known for industrial design, didn't design a 0 fan or at least 1 fan chassis.
Well, the Cube was a zero-fan chassis.
I'm not going to be 100% convinced it works until the machines have been in use for a while, but I know the principle Apple's had to work with is that the G5 is a heat radiating monster. A single fan would have to run quickly and suck a single stream of air through a preset path to cool the PowerMac G5. It would, frankly, sound like a plane taking off. So Apple has dotted fans around more to guarantee that airflow, and hence cooling, will happen over each part of the machine. Because there are more fans, and because the airflow is more targetted, the fans can run slowly, and the noise control is better.
My PowerBook, which uses a nice, cool, 800MHz G4, sounds like Miami Airport whenever I play a FPS game. I'm glad Apple are experimenting with cooling systems rather than just following the herd.

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Re:9 Fans? by protohiro1 · 2003-09-05 11:20 · Score: 4, Funny

Hmm, I read that "the fans of the G5 are computer controlled"...I always knew Steve Jobs was trying to take over the world.

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Re:9 Fans? by jfisherwa · 2003-09-05 11:57 · Score: 2, Funny

According the Jobs (paraphrased): "You might think '9 fans? Oh my god' But it turns out the opposite is true. We've gotten the noise down to 35dba at room temperature, 3x quieter than the latest G4".
Room temperature? Are there actually enough people that keep their computers in non-room locations for them to specifically point this out?

I can imagine visiting a friend and them showing off their new G5: "35dba in a room was just too much to handle, so.. we expanded on to the house a bit and now keep it just beyond this door--purgatory. Hear that? Not a peep. Nothing can top the sweet silence of limbo."
Re:9 Fans? by Reverberant · 2003-09-05 12:01 · Score: 5, Informative

35dba? That's not that impressive.
The 35 dBA spec is basically useless since it's given without a reference distance. With that in mind, 35 dBA is roughly the sound of a soft whisper at 5 feet (Ref: Martin Hirshorn, Noise Control Handbook). That's pretty darn quiet, assuming it refers to a reasonable distance from the chassis, say 3 to 5 feet.
My Panaflos are rated at 22dba, and I certainly wouldn't call them "silent".
Than they're probably louder than 22 dbA. 22 dBA is roughly the sound level at a remote area, at night, with no insect sounds or wind. If you live in a very quiet area, the sound level in your room may approach 25 dBA if your walls are well insulated, and no windows are open. No consumer sound level meter (Radio Shack brand, etc) would be able to accurately measure that low, and many professional level SLM's would have difficultly measuring that low (for example my $1800 TerraSonde ATB Pro has a noise floor of about 25 dB with its stock microphone).

Of course this all completely ignores the fact that measuring the sound level of a sound source that is lower than 40 dBA is pretty hard to do outside of an anechoic chamber since ambient sound levels can contaminate the measurements...
Re:9 Fans? by corey18_70 · 2003-09-05 12:44 · Score: 2

Apple has developed convection-cooled no-fan computers in the past. My wife's iMac DV has no fan, as do some of the other first generation body iMacs (though not the first-generation first generation iMacs, if that make sense.)

The Cube was also convection cooled.

They can do it, when feasible and appropriate. However, with a new-design tower case that's made to have all sorts of third-party crapola stuffed into it, I doubt it was appropriate. Much easier with the non-upgradeable consumer models.
Re:9 Fans? by mrpuffypants · 2003-09-05 14:51 · Score: 2, Funny

Yep, basically if you're just writing email then it'll be quite quiet, but when you start playing quake or serious photoshop/fcp4/etc work then expect a frigging jet plane under your desk to take off and all your lights to dim.
Re:9 Fans? by uradu · 2003-09-05 17:35 · Score: 3, Funny

It seems to work, though sales dipped for a moment there during the MSBlaster storm when the mind control packets didn't reach their Macs.
Re:9 Fans? by amichalo · 2003-09-06 02:28 · Score: 3, Informative

I echo Tumbleweed's experience. I saw the 1.6 Ghz at an Apple Store in Dallas. There were very few customers in the store and I would not say it was any louder in there than in my house with someone else home. Unless I put my ear up to the heavy plastic (think the clear plastic used on the Apple Pro Mouse or the edges of the 17" iMac screen) I could not hear any of the 3 fans I saw spinning.

I think the key is the low RPMs. with it spinning slower, there isn't a "whirrr" sound. Since the sound is not as high pitched, the sound is deadened sooner by the materials in the case.

And Apple a day keeps Gates at bay

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Re:9 Fans? by jo_ham · 2003-09-07 10:35 · Score: 4, Informative

They run at very low speeds and are all monitored by the computer.

The old g4 towers used one large sideways mounted fan to blow air over the passive heatsink of the CPU(s) and other components, and the system would even run when the side was open (the motherboard was attached to the side that opened so that it was flat on your desk to facilitate easy upgrades).

The G5's 'zones' are well thought out. Only the dual G5 has 9 fans. The single processor 1.6 and 1.8Ghz only have 7 fans.

Each processor's heat sink is located in the centre of a "wind tunnel" (which is formed by two bulkheads, the motherboard and the clear perspex panel). The frontmost bulkhead has a low speed fan and the heatsink with its 40 metal fins, which are aligned parallel with the airflow, is set back about 10cm (5") from this fan. A further 4 or 5" behind the heatsink is another fan that is rarely switched on. The combination of these two fans and the design of the "wind tunnel" keep each cpu cool enough without having to run the fans at high speed.

I've examined the inside of a 1.6Ghz G5 quite closely (I have a friend at my local Apple store) and I'm impressed by the design - it was obviously very carefully thought out and was only possible because they could design every thing to fit - when you design the motherboard and the case you can ensure that you get the best fit.

The computer is always monitoring and will spin up the rear fan to a low speed when the cpu is working hard to create lower pressure behind the heatsink which promotes airflow over it from the front without having to speed up the front fan. We worked it quite hard and I never saw the front cpu fan spin up any faster or make any more noise than a quiet "swoosh" the whole time, and we were running it with the metal panel removed (but the perspex cover still in place).

An interesting note though - if you remove that perspex cover while the computer is on it automatically spins the cpu fans up to full speed to ensure the cpu doesn't overheat because the wind tunnel has had a side removed, thus reducing the airflow over the heat sink. We called it a "headless chicken panic" since the noise from the fans is very noticable compared to normal running when you almost can't hear them at all and we likened it to the computer getting all confused with its side removed and running round the yard in a daze.

Almost too good by Oculus+Habent · 2003-09-05 10:10 · Score: 4, Interesting

When I saw the first few pictures, I thought it simply looked rendered. The light, the curves, the shading, even the capacitors on the video card look perfect.

That is some awesome photography.

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Re:Almost too good by Drakin · 2003-09-05 11:58 · Score: 4, Informative

From the front page of the article.
Sony DSC-F717. More info Here

Actually nice photos by adam872 · 2003-09-05 10:23 · Score: 3, Insightful

As someone who like photography and technology, I have to say I like the pictures. A reviewer of the G5 put it best when he said that it had a "brutal austerity". I think these photos capture it beautifully.

i dunno by random735 · 2003-09-05 10:49 · Score: 2, Informative

I found the spoof far more interesting/amusing than the main page..oh well, something for everyone i suppose.

Love your Mac... by JasonMaggini · 2003-09-05 11:10 · Score: 2, Funny

..just don't, ah, Love your Mac.

I think he's a little too emotionally involved.

This is better than porn. by Mabataki · 2003-09-05 12:11 · Score: 5, Funny

This is truly one of the most erotic things I have ever seen. If that Mac was a woman, these pictures would belong in Playboy.

You don't understand by littleghoti · 2003-09-05 12:31 · Score: 5, Insightful

To mac lovers like myself raw processing power does not matter. It is nice that again the mac is kicking ass compared to the average PC, but that isn't too important. The thing is that the mac allows you to get your work done without crashing every 30 seconds. Macs let you work without needing to know anything about the stuff underneath, which is something that both windows and linux have been lacking. And it looks sexy too. I think that the fact that mac users find their computers sexy telling, as they love their machines, which is something that most users simply do not do.

Noise(9 Fans) .LT. Noise(1 Fan) by G4from128k · 2003-09-05 12:53 · Score: 4, Informative

The key to Apple's design is to:
- lower the RPM of each fan,
- lower the air flow velocity,
- lower the total CFM required by all fans, and
- reduce the turbulence of the airflow.

A single fan design has the disadvantage of having to move enough air to cover the worst case configuration of internal components and thermal loading -- ensuring that some air gets to every nook and cranny. With 9 fans in 4 thermal zones, each zone of the G5 is regulated to minimize fan speed whilst maintaining acceptable temperatures. More fans for more fan cross-sectional area also reduces noise. A single fan design requires higher velocities on the blades and airflow and creates more turbulent airflow. Thus, for example, blowing 24 CFM though a single 120 mm fan makes more noise that blowing the same 24 CFM through an array of three 90 mm fans.

The front and back mesh covers act as a acoustic diffusers and help create laminar flow (which is less noisy than turbulent flow). Finally, the flow-through design creates a uniform convective flow over the components versus other designs with more convoluted airflows that create uneven flow or dead-air zones in the case.

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Most things look bad on extreme closeups.... by haut · 2003-09-05 13:06 · Score: 3, Interesting

but the G5 looks amazing! Apple really did it right and didn't make it look cheap at all. Look at the top end Dell/Alienware/Gateway comptuers, they still look cheap. Amazing pictures and great link.

Great send-up by Zhe+Mappel · 2003-09-05 13:51 · Score: 2, Funny

I like Macs, but Bill Noll's photos have a certain desperation to them--as if he's trying to prove that even the banal aspects of the G5 are beautiful. Here comes the aesthetic clue bus: soft focus doesn't make the banal more beautiful. It just makes it look look like you took your G5 to the high school prom, then got lucky afterward.

Sure, I'll take the G5 over Bad Boy Asher Bond's Pentium box in a heartbeat, but give me the parody site over the original's puffery and fetishizing any day.

Re:Great send-up by Mr.+Darl+McBride · 2003-09-05 14:00 · Score: 4, Insightful

Zhe Mappel, you have opened my eyes, and your words drill down to my very essence. Fetishizing it is, but is fetish any different from art?
No. Or perhaps yes, in that the fetish holds the greater power.
I dare you to find me a man who enjoys the Mona Lisa a tenth as much as the fetishist enjoys a woman's shoe.
Re:Great send-up by Mr.+Darl+McBride · 2003-09-05 14:06 · Score: 3, Insightful

I will also note that many Mac users are determined to believe in every last aspect of the Mac. The Mac is a wonderful machine, but even the most beautiful woman has her flaws. This is not at all dissimilar to the way a person falls in love with another. The greatest flaws seem invisible, easily forgotten.
I remember a Mac commercial, for the iBook I believe, where Ken Nordine did a voiceover, asking "Is it possible to fall in love with a computer?" Yes it is. For the average Mac user, this seems to be the norm. And I envy them the consistently wonderful thing they have in their lives. I have my Linux^W UnixWare and the freedom it brings me, but I can't say I've ever felt so strongly as the Mac users do about their boxes cum lifestyle.

Bill sells 'em too... by soundF*!k · 2003-09-05 15:09 · Score: 3, Insightful

As a friend of Mr. Noll, I feel I should mention that he also sells Macs through his company, Neoview.
http://www.neoview.com/

However, this is not really mass market retail. His clientele is fairly exclusive. (big name musicians and publishing)

Re:Bill's 'Friend' by uradu · 2003-09-05 17:32 · Score: 2, Funny

That guy's a hoot. My fave:

"See man Asher Bond just hooked you up with an extra 1 gigabyte man! It sits right up here on top of the case for state of the art ventilation. How ya like me now!?!? "

Reason for the beauty? by 00_NOP · 2003-09-05 22:16 · Score: 3, Interesting

Do manufacturers make these things so beautiful to cover for the essential failure of the computer revolution? Only a few years ago we were being told we could expect high economic growth for years to come on the back of the ICT revolution and the explosion in computing power and interconnectivity - nobody believes that now.

So a serious question is: do the manufacturers now strive to make these machines more beautiful to mnake us forget that they have failed us. Ok, as someone who has read Marx, maybe I should say, is this an attempt to get us to fetishise the commodity more to make up for our human failure to realise their potential in our service?

Re:Reason for the beauty? by Alex+Thorpe · 2003-09-06 05:18 · Score: 4, Insightful

Isn't it a bit like asking if modern cars are so good looking to cover up the fact that they don't fly?

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Dust by BriSTO(V)L · 2003-09-06 05:21 · Score: 2, Funny

I'd like this guy to do a repeat set of pics in 12 months when it's all full of dust, cat hairs, dead flies, crud, whatever... (Just before all the mesh holes get blocked up and it melts down). Although I do agree they're great pics, and I'd sure love a G5...

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