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Interview With A Maddog

DubiousFreak writes "Tinyminds.org sits down with Linux International Director, Jon "Maddog" Hall. Jon has been in the computer industry since 1969, using Unix since 1977, and Linux since 1994. He has been a software engineer, systems administrator, product manager, marketing manager and professional educator. Jon has been the Executive Director of Linux International since 1995, the first four years as a volunteer. Jon has been employed by VA Linux systems, Compaq Computer Corporation in the Digital UNIX Marketing group and Bell Laboratories among other companies. Read the full interview at Tinyminds.org."

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  1. Since maddog Hill reads slashdot undoubtably by t0qer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about a "Ask Maddog" interview where he answers our top modded questions?

    1. Re:Since maddog Hill reads slashdot undoubtably by cscx · · Score: 4, Funny

      How bout I PayPal him the $9.50 for a shiny new Gilette Mach 3 and a can of foamy shaving cream?!

  2. Whoa, nice beard! by bersl2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    He looks like a stereotypical UNIX guy.

    Or Santa Claus. Whichever.

    1. Re:Whoa, nice beard! by Laconian · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Here's a nickel. Get yourself a better operating system."

      My favorite Dilbert.

  3. He's a good bloke... by Dicky · · Score: 4, Informative
    An excellent speaker (don't miss him if you get the chance), a fascinating dinner guest, and generous with his hip-flask. And all this on my birthday...

    What more could one want? :-)

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    1. Re:He's a good bloke... by MotherSuperior · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Agreed.

      I especially liked his point about the 'normal support channels'. In fact, I was just mulling over the same thought last night. What seems to be really missing from a user-appreciable desktop Linux experience is not so much technological, but personal. If Aunt Flo can't call up her next-door neighbor, and get a quick answer about something on her OS, we'll never see any rapid adoption. Remember, just because users have phone or e-mail based tech support available, it doesn't mean they want to use it. Most people tend to be intimidated and/or embarrassed about making that phone call, and will usually put it off until they've Really screwed things up.

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    2. Re:He's a good bloke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, a very generous fellow. He once gave this guy I vaguely knew (it was a big class) a MP3 player for his graduation. Very classy guy. He also taught a computer class for underprivileged children across town.

  4. Sounds like John is looking for a job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, you posted his resume but, you failed to include salary requirements and a picture. Therefore, we are unable to offer a position at this time.

    We will however, keep John's resume on file for the next six months should an appropriate postion become available. Thank you for submitting John's resume. We wish you the best of luck in your life.

  5. Slashdotted by jabbadabbadoo · · Score: 2, Funny

    It appears that tinyminds have tiny computers :-(

    1. Re:Slashdotted by be-fan · · Score: 4, Funny

      And of course, the size of your computer says something about the size of other important bits and pieces :)

      Me? Uh, I've got a dual opteron with GeForce Fx 5600. Um, the original *loud* one. Yeah...

      Okay, fine, I've got a laptop... :: runs away crying ::

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  6. server meltdown - text of article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The next in the long awaited series of interviews, Tinyminds.org sits down with Linux International Director, Jon "Maddog" Hall.

    From LI.org: Jon has been in the computer industry since 1969, using Unix since 1977, and Linux since 1994.

    He has been a software engineer, systems administrator, product manager, marketing manager and professional educator. Jon has been the Executive Director of Linux International since 1995, the first four years as a volunteer. Jon has been employed by VA Linux systems, Compaq Computer Corporation in the Digital UNIX Marketing group and Bell Laboratories among other companies.

    Before that he was Department Head of Computer Science at Hartford State Technical College, where his students lovingly (he hopes) gave him the nickname maddog. Maddog as he prefers to be called, has an MS in Computer Science from RPI (1977) and a BS in Commerce and Engineering from Drexel University (1973).

    Tm: Anyone who searches for your name online, will come across an organization known as Linux International. What are LI's goals and what is its general purpose?
    MD: In 1994 an Australian named Patrick D'Cruze saw the need for a vendor-based organization to care about vendor needs with Linux. He tried to start the organization in Australia, but found that the Australian Linux market was not ready for it at that time. Instead he transferred the idea to the United States where a group of small companies ran with the idea.

    Linux International's job is simply to promote Linux among companies and governments. We try to do what is difficult for any one company or individual to do. It was Linux International who first protected the Linux trademark from being held captive by an individual who wanted to hold it ransom, and got the mark assigned to Linus. LI member companies also started the Linux Standard Base project, which later spun off to become the Free Standards Organization.

    LI helped to sponsor the concept of Systems Administration Certification, and now works closely with the Linux Professional Institute to spread this concept around the world.

    LI has helped major tradeshow and conference companies (IDG, Jupitermedia, Logon, Messe) to put on Linux Conferences and events all over the world.

    Finally, LI has tried to act as a vendor-neutral, rational voice for the Linux community to the press.

    Tm: What part do you play in Linux International?

    MD: Since 1995 I have been Executive Director

    Tm: As the mess with SCO unfolds, where do you see Linux heading? Is there really anything to be concerned about regarding their claims?

    MD: What mess with SCO?

    Seriously, this issue comes down to two issues:

    when will SCO disclose whatever code they say is "tainted"
    how long after that will it take for the Linux community to either:
    prove it is untainted (i.e. it is not SCO's code)
    remove whatever code may belong to SCO from the kernel
    SCO HAS to disclose the code under current copyright law. Some of this code has leaked, and people have stated that the leaked code is not SCO's to claim. If the rest of the code that SCO claims is also not theirs, then there will be nothing to remove. This type of issue has happened before with proprietary code, and even in cases of blatant copying, the courts have given time for the offending code to be removed.

    Tm: What role will Linux International play in the SCO debacle?

    MD: My lawyers tell me not to say anything. Sorry.

    Tm: Anyone who reads your bio will note that you've been using Unix since the late 70's and Linux since 1994. What are some of the greatest advances you feel that have been made in the operating system in that time?

    MD: Unix in the late 70's was a scientific operating system, not a business-oriented system. It had no real scalability. It was not SMP, could not do threads, had no journaled filesystem, no clustering (not even failover), no async I/O, a very simple scheduler, no ability to do soft realtime. Today, commercial

    1. Re:server meltdown - text of article by mindriot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like his point about Linux being successful on the Desktop:

      The final step (for the home user) is to have the support mechanism that they normally use be in place. This is NOT having a contact with IBM or HP, but having the person in their church, club, next door neighbor, etc. who is more advanced with Linux than they are, ready to answer questions. This will happen when Linux is firmly on the desktop in the company, university and high school.

      Very true. This is the big advantage Windows and, to a lesser extent, MacOS have - a tight social net for support, so-to-speak. And having Linux systems pop up in more and more places - work, school, maybe some popular embedded devices - creates the basis. That way, it is at first not the people coming to Linux, but Linux coming to the people, who are then (hopefully) pleased with the advantages of the system, and slowly find more and more people around them who can provide helpful knowledge. I suppose this could even be more important than most of the discussions on where desktop systems like GNOME or KDE are headed.

    2. Re:server meltdown - text of article by ananiasanom · · Score: 2, Informative

      He meant that each particular commercial UNIX "flavour" would only run on one or two architectures, and that moving from one hardware platform to another nearly always made you move from one flavour of UNIX to another. That's pretty clear if you read his next sentence.

      This meant that a AIX running on an R6000 was different from Solaris running on a SPARC.
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      UNIX is a trademark of SCO. No, hang on, it isn't, is it?
    3. Re:server meltdown - text of article by sketerpot · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Speaking of commercial Unixes, there's a cool feeling that I get sometimes:
      But both of those pale in comparison to the feeling I got in 1995 of handing a complete operating system and a whole bunch of compilers, programs, etc. worth probably millions of dollars if commercial software, to a group of university professors in Suva, Fiji. As I handed them the CD the code was on, I felt a little god-like.
      I think that's just cool to be able to get all this great software for free, with the ability to fiddle with the source to your heart's content.
  7. Re:Good God!! by boudie · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ever looked at a picture of Einstein . There's a theory that the shorter your hair the dumber you are. I'm guessing you have a brush cut.

  8. OSNews by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe /. and OSNews should try to work w/ each other since /. is routinely a few days behind OSNews. This article has been on OSNews for a few days.

  9. Article, before it gets slashdoted. by sinserve · · Score: 4, Funny

    Posting annon because I am not a karma-whore. Here is the article before it gets /.ed.


    Warning: mysql_connect(): User tinymind@localhost has already more than 'max_user_connections' active connections in /home/virtual/site75/fst/var/www/html/pnadodb/driv ers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 170
    mysql://tinymind:@localhost/tinyminds_org failed to connectUser tinymind@localhost has already more than 'max_user_connections' active connections

  10. Slashdotted... by peterdaly · · Score: 2, Funny

    1 +2 comment, and it't already slashdotted!

    Either people are actually READING the article...or this guys got a small server configuration. (MySQL connections are full.)

    As a linux user since 1995, I have a lot of respect for this guy. Too bad we're all SOL with the interview.

    -Pete

    1. Re:Slashdotted... by Dog+and+Pony · · Score: 2, Funny

      Either people are actually READING the article

      No, it is the effect of thousands of /. users trying to copy the text to get some cheap karma. If it wasn't for these people having the illusion that anyone actually wants to read up on what they are about to comment, the slashdot effect would not exist. ;-)

  11. Wow... 4 Karma-whorings in 5 minutes... by Theatetus · · Score: 3, Funny

    This may be the first time a server was /.ed simply by K-whores....

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  12. A thankyou to free software developers by argoff · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just wanted to say that from the time I first started to embrace GNU/Linux in the mid-90's to now - it has been a bumpy ride, and I have suffered much scorn for my faith in it, first from my collegues who advocated SCO, then from those who advocated Solaris, and also from people who advocate Microsoft. But none the less, I still must say that my faith in Linux and the people behind it have never let me down. Thank you so much, you are making history and as the centuries pass - I truely believe that society will look back upon you as heros who have lifted humanity up with a gift that can never be taken away, not just the code, but a newfounded freedom that countless billions will addore you for.

  13. text of interview captured by stock · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:text of interview captured by stock · · Score: 2, Funny

      Got Maddogs picture captured too :)

      he's the Gandalf of Linux? :)

  14. 1994 by zenyu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    GeForce Fx 5600. Um, the original *loud* one.

    Have you tried anything else to cool it? I just got one hand as a hand me down when nVidia sent us a better one for one of the shared workstation. It was loud out on the lab floor, but is overwhelmingly loud on my desk...

    [On Topic] I have a great deal of respect for Maddog Hall and felt good hearing he only tried Linux in 1994.. I was a big fan of the brand new pre-release Windows 95 that year but my music major roommate convinced me to try Linux as a dual boot option and my slow conversion began... That same year my university also switched me over from VMS on Sun hardware to OSF/1 on DEC, which was so much better, and soon being able to run the same programs on my home computer and the SGI's at the lab became a plus. As someone who had always tried to improve on the MS-DOS cli by using DR-DOS or the 4dos interpreter the tcsh default on Slackware was such a godsend that I begged the admins at the university to install it and switch me over. Before long Linux+GNU was a better unix than UNIX, irregardless of being cheaper. I even got excited by the Linux kernel by 1.3x... The GNU license didn't seem world changing at the time, but just a good hobbyist license. Able to inspire more development than BSD, because you didn't feel your ideas would be taken without compensation. It's amazing how this little thing has grown from something we had to convince the admins to allow us to use on the network in 1994 to something they use to run the network in 2003, and you don't need to make 23 uncorrupted floppies to install it anymore. For some reason the 18th or 19th floopy was always corrupted sending you back to download it and start over from #1... ;)

  15. Support your local Linux User Group. by MsGeek · · Score: 4, Informative
    Very true. This is the big advantage Windows and, to a lesser extent, MacOS have - a tight social net for support, so-to-speak.

    And the local LUG is what? Chopped liver?

    The strength of the Mac community, from the very start, was the local MUG. There have been Mac User Groups around since 1984. Here's one that's been around almost that long: http://www.lamg.org/. LUGs, Linux User Groups, were an emulation of the successful MUG phenomenon, and in a lot of respects have transcended even the success of the MUG. Probably every weekend, somewhere close to you, there is an installfest/tweakfest going on thanks to your friendly neighborhood LUG. Since installing Linux has become easier as time goes on, installfests/tweakfests have become more of an occasion for Linux advocacy.

    SBLUG, the Santa Barbara Linux User Group, has been running a booth at the Santa Barbara Computer Fair every time the Computer Fair people see fit to run one. The last one was last week, the next one is November 8th. People actually *do* go to the Fair to get a computer and wind up leaving not only with the Windows they thought they were going to install but also a copy of Knoppix to try out and kick the tires on. Some people even decide that maybe installing Windows on that beige box of their dreams isn't such a great idea with Linux being more mature and useful than they expected. "If I only have to pay $1/disk for this free OS, I can take the money I save and get a bigger monitor or a DVD-RW instead of the CD-RW I budgeted for!" Yes, this really does happen! I've seen it.

    If you really want to see Linux move into the desktop arena in a big way, you need to get active with your local LUG.

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    1. Re:Support your local Linux User Group. by xilmaril · · Score: 4, Interesting

      a lug isn't chopped liver, but it isn't a family member either (consider the number of adults who use their friends/children as tech support)

  16. True UNIX gurus must have a beard by nr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would'nt trust them otherwise.. :)

    Big beard and tweed jacket, UNIX gurus always had that as long as I can remember.. I think it's cool :) It shows you're 110% focused at what you do.

    1. Re:True UNIX gurus must have a beard by WWWWolf · · Score: 4, Funny
      Big beard and tweed jacket, UNIX gurus always had that as long as I can remember.

      The clothing may vary (locals seem to have t-shirt and sandals)... but the beard is almost necessary.

      I have a dual-boot machine in home. One of the recent Hugish Uptimes was due to the fact that my electric razor is broken and I was out of shaving cream for weeks and couldn't bother to get more. I couldn't bring myself to boot to Windows with a beard like that! No way!

    2. Re:True UNIX gurus must have a beard by bersl2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      My point exactly! The beard is not really a mark of unkempt looks, it is a mark of pride!

      Oh, and "Fouw"... nice story; it was, uh, "exciting!" ;-P

  17. Google cache by ewe2 · · Score: 2, Informative


    Here is the
    cached interview as it's still down.

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