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Chic Gear to Suit Net Generation

Roland Piquepaille writes "In this article, BBC News Online says that fashion specialists and engineers are preparing the next generation of wearable computing fashion accessories. Current ones are too conspicuous and expensive. Joseph Dvorak, a researcher at Motorola US, predicts the computers and technology we wear in four or five years time will not draw attention to ourselves. And Dr. Dianne Jones from textile company SOFTswitch, maker of the Burton Amp jacket which integrates an Apple iPod, thinks that the wearable computing industry will grow rapidly. She says that in ten years, 20% of our clothes will incorporate some kind of electronic components. This summary contains more details and references."

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  1. I'm a skeptic. by grub · · Score: 5, Interesting


    She says that in ten years, 20% of our clothes will incorporate some kind of electronic components.

    Unless she's including RFID tags, that 20% figure sounds far too high. I can't believe that one-fifth of socks, pants, underwear, shirts, etc will contain electronic components in 10 short years.

    Also, how will all these clothes be cleaned? Will they be safe to throw in our 2003 "stone age" washing machines when 2013 rolls around?

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    1. Re:I'm a skeptic. by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Funny

      Also, how will all these clothes be cleaned?

      I'm sure Symantec will come up with something...

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    2. Re:I'm a skeptic. by grub · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Well, the person quoted works for SOFTswitch, the manufacturer of the fabric. I don't doubt they'll come up with a proprietary detergent needed to clean their fabrics without harm.

      She has a vested interest in making this fabric's future sound inevitable. Certainly it is coming but consider the source when reading fawning quotes.

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    3. Re:I'm a skeptic. by watzinaneihm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or maybe she is saying that we will be wearing 20% more dresses. A large (though probably not 20%) percentage of the US and Europe has cellphones, and I would assume they carry it round with them. It would be great if one could integrate it into clothing, maybe removably , just a new pocket with wires running into it would do. Include handhelds, mp3 players and even a small computer and there is a large market of applicances which can possibly be integrated into clothes. Add vision goggles and probably your shirts, pants, glasses and watch can easily get more wired probably taking it upto a possible 20%. Or you could use RIAA maths if that doesnt work

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    4. Re:I'm a skeptic. by millwall · · Score: 2, Funny

      Also, how will all these clothes be cleaned?

      Geeks don't clean their clothes.

    5. Re:I'm a skeptic. by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, your great plan for next gen clothing is... the pocket?

      If only you had a time machine, you could go back to 1998, start a .com, and cash out before the crash.

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    6. Re:I'm a skeptic. by iainl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Forget cleaning, I'm more concerned with replacing things.

      Right now, I can stick my PDA, Walkman, Phone and watch (or even leave behind those bits I'm not needing) in the pockets of any item of clothing with pockets big enough to store them. This way, I only need one of each, and replace the one component that needs to be done if it breaks or is replaced with a better model.

      Stick it all built into clothes, and you've not only massively increased the price of the clothes, but I need to worry about which jacket I've stored the record I want to listen to, the fact that I've lost my diary information because the trousers it was stored in have a hole in the knee, and what to do when my favorite T-Shirt is Orange, and won't take a Vodaphone Sim card.

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  2. Oh, great... by Thjorska · · Score: 5, Funny

    If the impending war against machines wasn't bad enough, now we're gonna have to do it naked.

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    1. Re:Oh, great... by phthisic · · Score: 2, Funny

      I for one welcome our new denimn masters.

  3. ahh dvorak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Didn't he also say that in four to five years, everyone would be using his keyboards? We see how well THAT turned out.

    1. Re:ahh dvorak by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My completely untestable theory is that you really need to be an order of magnitude "better" than whatever currently exists in order to overcome the static friction of the end user.
      People hate the current state of affairs less than they hate change.

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    2. Re:ahh dvorak by mclaugh · · Score: 2, Informative

      RTA- wrong Dvorak.
      The Dvorak (Joseph) in the article works for Motorola, while the Dvorak you are referencing (John Dvorak) writes for a PC mag.

  4. It has to be asked....? by troc · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guess this means we'd be wearing a Beowulf cluster?
    Interesting, it would mean computing power was greater in winter with more clothing layers.

    Sorry for using "interesting" and Beowulf cluster" in the same post.

    Troc

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  5. hmm by kurosawdust · · Score: 3, Funny

    i wont be convinced until I have a pair of nano-khakis that don't force me to "shake" for three goddamn minutes after I take a piss

    1. Re:hmm by sczimme · · Score: 2, Funny


      Three minutes of "shaking"?

      I do not think it means what you think it means.

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  6. Clothes by mrsev · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess we need to update the story of the emperors new clothes to include vapourware, coredumps and segmentation faults.

  7. ... Why ? by Shiifty · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Why would you want to 'wear' a computer? There are very few of us who need to stay connected 24/7. And how do you wash the clothes? I don't want someone able to track me wherever I go (not that I'm hiding anything lol)

    Seriously, PDA's are really coming along, in a couple years you'll have a fully functional computer inside a PDA with free wireless and everything you need. And if you need to hide for a while, its easy to 'forget' your computer in the house or car. You can't really do that with clothing.

  8. Wow! From 0% to 20%. by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From 0% to 20% in ten years? That means about 220 million articles of clothing will be produced in the year 2013 for sale in the U.S. market alone.

    Riiight.

    Its amazing how much these researchers get blinders on and inflate the importance of their research. There must be a term for this.

    1. Re:Wow! From 0% to 20%. by ichimunki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That means about 220 million articles of clothing will be produced in the year 2013 for sale in the U.S. market alone.

      And? There are almost 300 million people in America. I expect that number to grow by quite a bit by the year 2013. If each of those people purchase only ONE item of clothing in a year, they will need to make a lot more than 220 million articles of clothing in 2013.

      Even if you're referring to 20% cyber-clothing being 220 million articles, that doesn't sound exorbitant. That would assume that each of 300,000,000 people were only buying about 3.5 items of clothing a year on average.

      Personally I think the idea that 1/5 of all clothing would be cyber-clothing is a bit optimistic. But I can see one in five people buying an accessory-type garment that contained a computer or other electronic gear. Computer belts, cell phones as jewelry (as if they aren't already a form of jewelry in some cases), PDAs built into vests, etc, all seem reasonable to me.

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    2. Re:Wow! From 0% to 20%. by simong_oz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its amazing how much these researchers get blinders on and inflate the importance of their research. There must be a term for this.

      "Research Grant Application"

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    3. Re:Wow! From 0% to 20%. by Virtex · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah. They probably meant to say production will be up 20% from where it's at today. Since production is at 0 today, add 20% to find that it will still be at 0 in ten years. And ten years past that, expect production to increase by a mind numbing 8000%, all the way up to 0.

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  9. Wow... by HiQ · · Score: 3, Funny

    A computer in my clothes.. Talk about a dress code!

    1. Re:Wow... by phthisic · · Score: 5, Funny

      Will they be multi-threaded?

  10. she's an expert? by sbma44 · · Score: 5, Funny
    And Dr. Dianne Jones from textile company SOFTswitch, maker of the Burton Amp jacket which integrates an Apple iPod, thinks that the wearable computing industry will grow rapidly. She says that in ten years, 20% of our clothes will incorporate some kind of electronic components.

    um... sewing an ipod-sized pocket into a jacket somehow makes her an expert on trends in embedded systems?

    Well hell, I can fit five AA cells in my mouth -- I say in 6 months we'll all be living underwater on the moon!

    Now where's my consulting fee?

  11. All together now... by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 5, Funny
    Take a deep breath.

    Let it out slowly.

    Now chant.

    "It's OK to spend part of my day away from computers and the Internet."

    Repeat as necessary.

    Wiggle your toes and clench your buttocks if that helps. Actually, that's good advice for any time of day.

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  12. subscription laundry detergent by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Funny
    I'm sure Symantec will come up with something...

    Yeah. The world's first yearly-subscription laundry detergent.

    1. re: subscription laundry detergent by ed.han · · Score: 3, Funny

      so "patching your clothes" will have an entirely new meaning, i suppose.

      think of the new meanings to other expressions, though:

      1. emperor's new clothes--windows security.

      2. "threadbare"--you should really update the BIOS on that old concert jersey.

      3. "flash"-anything--ick. or potentially, "oo", depending on the wearer... ;>

      ed

  13. ISWC 2003 by Tekmage · · Score: 5, Informative

    On a related note, the International Symposium on Wearable Computing is being held this October 21-23 in White Plains, NY.

    One of these days I'll attend one...

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  14. In the wash.. by adeyadey · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now wheres my mobile phone?
    Oh damn its in the wash..

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  15. What I want by bmongar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What I want out of wearable computing is an eyepiece or specs that connect to a pda/computer wirelessly that overlays what I see with information.
    Doing things like facial recognition and putting people's names under them and maybe some information you wanted to remember about them. Like 'don't ask john about his wife'.

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  16. Bugs of the future by ArmenTanzarian · · Score: 5, Funny

    It appears that your boxers are out of date, there exists a security hole that could allow your wang to show. A patch exists that could repair them, would you like to install it?

    OK

    Always Trust the Microsoft Corporation

    I've been violated

  17. I bet they don't by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Tenner, anyone?

    Integrating electronics into clothing gives you a many to many problem, you have to be wearing this for that to work etc. Then there's the batteries, washing, changes in fashion, worn out clothing etc.

    The ability to stick this electronic device into that pocket gives you a many to one relationship and will remove any market demand for integrated devices. In fact they are a disfeature[1].

    [1] Is that a real word? Go on, pedants you know you want to look it up for me.

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    1. Re:I bet they don't by rabbitfood · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "..., you have to be wearing this for that to work etc. Then there's the batteries, washing, changes in fashion, worn out clothing etc." Assuming a 'thin-client' model, this mightn't be a problem. Energy could be supplied ambiently (thermal or kinetic), washing can be done using supercritical CO2, fashion is probably irrelevant to the target market and well-built clothing typically has a lifespan greater or equal to 5 years in normal use. What you haven't taken into account is the inevitability of moth-borne DoS attacks. However, overall, the effect will be beneficial to insurance industry and so, despite the problems, wearable computing for the masses is clearly both economically and morally viable. What currency is this tenner in?

  18. It's back to the future III ! by gabec · · Score: 2, Funny

    Really, Michael J. Fox tried to tell us this in the 80's in BttF3. ;) Self-cleaning and self-sizing jacket, self-tying shoes... very cool. ;)

  19. Read the article's caption... by Dirk+Pitt · · Score: 2, Funny
    I didn't know the BBC could so easily master the venerable Russia-style joke:

    Wearing technology or technology wearing you?

  20. Freedom from imposed fashions by elpapacito · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Imagine an LCD-like dress that can be easily reprogrammed to show any combination of colors and image. I would like to be free from a fashion dictated by somebody else then me.

    From a techincal point of view, a shirt calculating your blood pressure , sugar or alcool level in your blood and other medical parameters would be a very valuable tool, as long as it doesn't also broadcast the data like the nasty RDIF tag in theory could.

  21. Phillips Design by datawar · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Design group @ Phillips have been thinking about wearable electronics for a long time. Check out their webpage for it: http://www.design.philips.com/what_we_do/research_ projects/wearable_electronics.asp.

    They published a super-cool book called New Nomads a few years back where they propose some interesting ideas. The book is reeeeeeally hard to find, [you have to order it directly from 010 Publishing from the Netherlands], but the ideas in it, as well as how it is made is way interesting... It even has a soft, thick, deep purple color... Those crazy designers!

    In general though, Phillips Design do great stuff with ubicomp, wearable comp, and other cool futuristic ideas, trying to put those things in a social perspective [lots of S&TS and HCI stuff here].

  22. Oh, Great...computers in clothes is stupid... by Simonetta · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is terrible. Having computers in clothes will just set off primitive alarms in huge department and food stores.
    This will give sleezy creepy $8/hour 'security guards' an excuse to take female customers into back rooms and strip search them in lieu of threats, detainment, or arrest.
    Sure, if you're rich, you can sue, threaten, or avoid stores with oppressive and primitive alarm systems (like Fred Meyer).
    But if you're not rich, it's just one more mean stupid thing that the technological community has inflicted on the general population in order to find reason to continue to exist.

    Thank you,

  23. Ob joke by frozenray · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Is that a 30 GHz Opteron beowulf cluster in your pants or are you just glad to see me"?

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  24. While to go yet by ianscot · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Take a look at any cell phone belt clip. Our on-call phone has a lame (p)leather-and-plastic cover on it that bulks up the relatively sleek little phone, making the surface squishy to hold and dial. It's the IT Support Guy's version of plumber's butt, that phone.

    Went to CompUSA and looked at the only armband they have for my iPod. It's a huge, too-wide band of stretch fabric with the same stupid black leather-and-plastic cover over the iPod itself. Black? Bulky? Did they notice the iPod itself is white and pretty danged sleek? I wanted something that'd be like a watchband to wear, and they gave me scuba gear.

    Take a look at technologies that are more mature, and you have a different level of refinement altogether. Binoculars, high end ones, really do give a rip about balance, the strap design distributing weight, and every little detail of focus speed and so on. My Swarovskis cost just under a grand retail, and every little detail of their design reflects thought about how you can use them for days at a time in comfort. No ostentation, just good design.

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  25. In some respects I see this happening... by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2, Informative

    I bought a ScottEVest and I have been immensely happy with the purchase. The only way it looks real geeky is if I am wearing it in the summer with shorts or using it as a vest and even that is not bad. When the sleeves are on it is great. Very non geek. The PAN conduits are a great idea. Almost every pocket has a hole for the pan. Some pockets can be 2 pockets or one pocket depending on your use. My one pocket in the front of the jacket holds both my Walkman (for radio) and my MP3 Player. There's a strip of velcro sealed and it separates the two and prevents them from clanking together. When I want to switch, I pull out the one I want to plug into and pull the plug out of theon still in the pocket, Plug the headphones in, start it and put it back in. I am using regular headphones until I find some COMFORTABLE ear buds. Most buds are either too small or to big. I have found none that are adjustable.

    For my GPS, I have a Radio Shack digitraveler and I run it's cable from the pocket near the sholder to the pocket on the front. When I need to use it, all I have to do is pull the iPaq out of the same pocket and plug it in.

    There are so MANY pockets that so far most of mine are empty. I have the storage to take almost everything I want with me all of the time except my laptop and I don't always need it. Now all I need is ScotteShorts for the summer! :) It would be VERY hard to make those and have them look non geeky! :)

    Now my question for Slashdotters is why are you TRYING to hide taht your a geek? To me, either you are or your not. You can't alter your appearance much to hid eyour tech obsession. That GPS watch just gives it away! :) IN any case, judging from the general public's opinion of the ScottEVest when I was in DC at the International Spy Museum (Very cool place.....check it out if you can...even the store is cool), I'd say she's right. The couple who was in the store in the same section of the store as I was saw the jacket when I was poking at the pockets and such and when I showed them the pan that the guy could hide his earbud for his cellular the WIFE thought it was great! Not just the guy! People want to be able to take their MP3 Player with them but they are leary of belt clips and other accoutrements to hold these. A pocket in a jacket or pair of pants is a much more secure method of carrying around these things. Backpacks all over the place now have holes for the headphone cable to come out of. Until bluetooth comes down to a decent price, cables are the way and some people will STILL want to use the cable because it sounds better or is cheaper. Even then you'd want pockets. Most conventional jackets have like 3 pockets. Only one of those somewhat sealed. People don't want to lug a bag and guys definitely don't want to carry a purse or risk an expensive device flying off the belt clip. The Scottevest and those Levi Dockers with teh extra pockets are very appealing...not just to geeks either. Case in point, the burton amp jacket is just too cool....too bad I don't own a iPod!

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  26. IP infringment by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 3, Funny


    I think Batman and his belt own the rights to this.

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  27. Clearly not for the Slashdot audience by mblase · · Score: 3, Funny

    Joseph Dvorak, a researcher at Motorola US, predicts the computers and technology we wear in four or five years time will not draw attention to ourselves.

    Heck, what's the point of being a geek if your wearable gear doesn't draw attention?

  28. Re:These experts are rare! by Perl-Pusher · · Score: 2, Funny

    Queer eye for the geek guy?

  29. Re:We practially have 20% now... by troc · · Score: 2, Funny
    * music player (LP/walk/disc man, MP3/Ogg, whatever)

    LP? as in 12" vinyl? I'm trying to see which pocket that'd go in but I'm having trouble. Anyway, wouldn't it skip?

    ooh, you could spool the LP to tape as a buffer and then on to your headphones. *ponder*

    Troc

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  30. DoS attacks in 2013... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Funny

    Error 404: Server not found. User has been pantsed.

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  31. I can just hear... by softspokenrevolution · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can just hear the excuse some girl will come up with to not go out with me on a Friday...

    "I'm sorry, I'm defragging my pants that day.