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Logitech Ships 500 Millionth Mouse

ipxodi writes "Logitech marks the milestone of 500 million shipped mice. Mice first widely appeared in consumer form on the original Macintosh, but have appeared in various forms back through time to 1964 when they were invented by Doug Englebart. My favorite mouse is also my current mouse, a Logitech Optical Wheel mouse. I also remember some oddities beyond the old bar-of-soap shaped mice of the mid 80's, like one with a crosshair attachment for clicking on specific points of a blueprintfor CAD input. What's your favorite current or past mouse?" My first mouse was back in 1987, for my Apple //c. It cost $50, and came with a double-sided floppy that contained an interactive instructional program on side one, and MousePaint (a port of MacPaint) on side two. Memories!

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  1. Wuss by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My favorite mouse is also my current mouse, a Logitech Optical Wheel mouse

    Any real geek could have a Dual Optical Mouse. Also available at Thinkgeek. That is definately my favorite mouse.

    1. Re:Wuss by TexVex · · Score: 5, Funny
      Any real geek could have a Dual Optical Mouse
      Ahh, a nice looking piece of hardware. From its feature list:
      • Sleek shape fits comfortably into your right hand
      Leaving the left hand free to hold your joystick.
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    2. Re:Wuss by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Logitech Optical mouse is generally available at $15-20 in retail stores. The dual optical is nice but you must consider the value of being able to replace the thing or just pick one up if you're out somewhere, for less than the price of a pizza.

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    3. Re:Wuss by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 2, Informative

      Granted the price is a little high for a mouse, but since this is an above-average mouse, it's worth it. As for availablity, I've seen it at Best Buy, in fact that's where I got mine.

    4. Re:Wuss by Alan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No ball, no sticking, no cleaning

      They lie! My main bitch about the optical mice I've used is that because they are sliding around generally on the desk without a mousepad the feet that they glide on get horribly gummed up from dust and whatever random junk ends up on your desk, making them stick and feel like they give me far worse control than my venerable old MS OEM ball mouse which slides along it's 3m mousepad and has a ball that requires far less cleaning than my optical mouses feet :(

    5. Re:Wuss by christopherfinke · · Score: 3, Funny
      My favorite mouse is Rocky. Bullwinkle is cool too.
      Rocky was a flying squirrel, you insensitive clod.
  2. Best Mice Ever. Period. (".") by Lally+Singh · · Score: 4, Funny

    For the PowerBook G4: Logitech MX500.
    For the PowerMac G4: Logitech MX700.

    I bought the 500 first, loved it so much, that I had to pick up a 700 for home. Now I await:

    - A bluetooth 15" Powerbook
    - A bluetooth Logitech MXx00 mouse
    - Income to pay for it.

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  3. Ah, the Apple //c mouse. by dosius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hardly any software even supported it, but hey, those that did were 1337. Beagle Graphics and MousePaint. I still have them, and I still use them (with EMU][).

    -uso.

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  4. crosshairs? by ender_wiggins · · Score: 4, Informative

    The crosshairs were on a puck. Connected to a digitiser pad, not a mouse. mice have balls, digipads dont.

    1. Re:crosshairs? by dfung · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are certainly good things about pads/digitizers vs. mice, but I'm definitely a mouse man. The weird thing about using a digitizing pad is that there's that odd extra state of the pointing device - when it's out of range. The mouse relative position is always valid, but when you write software, I personally found that it was an extra effort to handle the out of range case - sort of "what should the feedback be now?"

      The other thing that mice are really great compared to digitizers is that cursor acceleration can be implemented in a very transparent manner. On a pad, you generally want a more linear tracking function, for those people and apps that actually involve looking at where the device is (for tracing or entering points). I guess you could have a sort of relative pointing mode on the tablet for mouse simulation if you really wanted to.

      Certainly the sophistication of what you can do with a modern tablet like a Wacom is pretty amazing. The latest ones detect and transmit pressure at the tip, it can independently track both ends of the stylus (so you can have "ink" on one end and an "eraser" on the other in your favorite paint program). With the ability to track both ends, there are some tricky apps that even read the slant of the pen and take action based on that - not that I've ever been able to do anything useful with that function.

  5. Logitech Marble Mouse by codefool · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Got hooked on these when I got into FPS gaming. But since I travel(ed) alot, it turned out to be way cool on airplanes. Small footprint, and doesn't require any 'room' to move around. Just sits in place with my hand on it, and the pointer goes where I want. Saves the arm too.

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    1. Re:Logitech Marble Mouse by Vargasan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have an old Trackman Marble and two Cordless Optical Marbles.
      Best "mouse" I've ever owned. Who needs mousepads?!

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  6. Doug Engelbart by VAXGeek · · Score: 5, Informative

    Doug also invented the GUI and Smalltalk (www.squeak.org). Most of you are familiar with the GUI, but you really should give Squeak a look. It's a pretty cool development enviornment.

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  7. Not a mouse per se by BWJones · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What's your favorite current or past mouse?"

    My favorite input device is my Kensington Turbo Mouse. It's a trackball, but I have been using them for years going back to the original 1.0. They are great in reducing RSI and allow precise control which is important for digital imagery work and image forensics.

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  8. Days gone by. by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 4, Funny

    I dunno about you guys but it makes me nothing but upset when Logitech goes out of their way to fill the world with mice. You should see my garden, half eaten roots and stems. 500 Million. 500 MILLION. Corporations now days thing they can just walk all over us.

    I remember the good ole days before the mice took over. Never again.

  9. Logitech makes a hell of a mouse... by el-spectre · · Score: 2

    $5 says that the first one is probably still functional...

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  10. I have one of the original mice by Hayzeus · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's one of the first mice produced by Engelbart. Powered by coal, and made almost entirely of cast iron and oak, it weighs nearly 1400 pounds. A true marvel of engineering for its day!

    1. Re:I have one of the original mice by stickb0y · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I saw a brief interview with Engelbart on TechTV a couple years ago in response to tactile mice (like Logitech's iFeel mouse), and he had some interesting things to say about mouse evolution.

      One of the things he mentioned was that instead of a mouseball, his original mouse used two orthogonal wheels arranged in an L-shape. If you tilted the mouse, it would rest on only one of the wheels. Depending on which wheel it was resting, you then could move the mouse perfectly horizontally or vertically.

      This would be kind of useful in CAD work. Modern mice don't do this, although I guess nowadays it's easier and more accurate to restrict movement via software.

  11. Atari ST Mouse by oh2 · · Score: 2

    My favourite mouse all categories is the Atari ST mouse. The distinct click and stylish design was very hot when the standard seriel mouse looked like...a bar of dirty soap.

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    1. Re:Atari ST Mouse by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Funny

      My favourite mouse all categories is the Atari ST mouse

      The Atari ST mouse your favorite mouse all categories? Tell me : you don't happen to love the ZX81 keyboard too by any chance?

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  12. Logitech TrackMan Marble Wheel by kworthington · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My favorite is actually a trackball. No un-necessary wrist movement avoids carpal-tunnel nicely. My preference is the Logitech TrackMan Marble Wheel, which has a scroll button as a third button. It's sort of the older version of this. Mine is a bit 'wider' left to right, and is white rather than silver/gray.

  13. Best... Mouse... Ever... by Chmarr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The clearly the best mouse ever was the hemispherical, red-clown-nose mouse that came with the AT&T/Teletype 5620 terminal. What a buzz using that thing was :)

  14. I don't use a mouse, you insensitive clod! by rhetland · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Oh, wait, this isn't a poll.

    But the truth is that I don't use a mouse anymore. I use a touchstream keyboard from Fingerworks that lets me move the arrow and cursor and type on the same interface. This is very nice.

    Anyone who has even a bit of RSI can identify with my hatred, or at least ambivilance toward mice. My tendons ache at the thought of so many mice in the world..

  15. Microsoft mice rock by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I swear, Microsoft mice and keyboards are the exact opposite of their OS and Office software; cheap, tough, worthwhile and available without too much fluff. I'd rank MS hardware up to Logitech's level of quality. Too bad I can't say the same for their software department...

  16. Put it on the left by MhzJnky · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not sure how many people have tried this, but you really should put your mouse on the left, that's where it belongs.

    The number pad on the right of most keyboards puts the mouse to far over to be realy comfortable.

    Plus, for you FPS fans, it's very handy to have your right hand on the number pad and the left on the mouse. If you re-map the keys you never have to move to any other section of the keyboard.

    I allways laughed at those special keypads for playing games... you've alread got one, just move your mouse over 18 inches.

    (for full discloser I am left handed, but it was a righty that showed me the light)

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  17. My mice... by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, one of the first mice I ever used was one of those screwy Pen-Mice. It was an attempt to make the mouse similar to a known technology, a pen; but it failed miserably. You had to hold it just so, the buttons were annoying to work with, and the cord (which came out the top) was forever in the way. It was an interesting concept, but just wasn't right.
    My current "mouse" is a Logitech Marble FX trackball. It has got to be the most comfortable pointing device I have ever used, and I like the ability to simply pull my fingers away, and the cursor doesn't move, even when I click the buttons. I could never get that from a mouse, clicking always caused me to move a bit this way or that.

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  18. Re:I have the Logitech optical too by pla · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I somehow don't think the mouse will be replaced anytime soon.

    Probably not, but I'd like to see them vanish.

    For delicate work, such as purely digital drawing, mice force the user to use the whole wrist and arm, rather than far more dextrous fingers. For coarse work like web browsing, mice far exceed the precision needed.

    I'd like a wireless optical thimble, myself - A sort of finger-cap that tracks the surface you place it on, and you can tap your finger to click. Far better for art, and far lighter and less encumbering for "normal" work. Alas, I don't think such a devce exists. :-(

  19. Apple ADB Mouse by BandwidthHog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The old square one, with the front two thirds sloped down. I used those almost exclusively from '88 till I could afford a big, honking Kensington trackball. (yes, that's actually a billiard ball in those things.) Best tracking mouse I've ever used, although I wouldn't trade the wheel and seven buttons of my Logitech MX-500 for anything. Well, I'd trade 'em for $100, 'cause I can get another one for less than that. But you get the point.

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  20. PARC? by s20451 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I always thought Xerox PARC, that place that made money for everybody except Xerox, invented the mouse. Is that just common misconception?

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    1. Re:PARC? by iocat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually Xerox PARC did make money for Xerox. The dough they made for developing and licensing the patents to the laser printer made the whole enterprise profitable in the long run. What they failed to do was successfully capitalize on their other achievements, like the GUI/mouse system, etc. "Dealers of Lightning : Xerox PARC and the Dawn of the Computer Age" (available wherever books on Xerox PARC are sold, such as Amazon) is a really good look at the story of PARC.

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    2. Re:PARC? by dfung · · Score: 2, Informative

      Arrgh! You're the closest one yet, but not quite...

      Doug Englebart worked at the Stanford Research Institute which is located in Menlo Park, the next town over from Stanford University(which is in Stanford, CA, not Palo Alto!).

      When he was working on the mouse in the 1960s, there was no Xerox PARC yet. But when it did show up in the 1970's, that's when Dan Ingalls and Ted Kaehler (at PARC) was driven to write Smalltalk by Alan Kay (also at PARC). Kay is a visionary and excellent at focusing something like PARC, but if you want something amazing to actually get written, you need a first class geek like Ingalls to make it happen.

      SRI is completely independent from Stanford University now (and for more than 10 years, I'm sure), but I don't think they were completely separate back in the 1960's. SRI does technical consulting work for hire. These days, a university would do that, but back then, SRI appeared to allow a commercial focus independent of the academic setting. I could be wrong on that as it predates my time at Stanford.

  21. 500 Million Mice, and I know where most are... by swb · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...in a box in the back room where we keep the unused equipment.

    And somehow they have violated entropy and managed to tie the cables of *all* of them together, on their own.

  22. Mouse designed by famouse Anime artist - nice... by blakespot · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Check out this anime-styled mouse designed by the creator of the "Ghost In The Shell" series. I have on on order.

    Link to my not-quite-ready-yet site - maybe 7 days premature but whatever, it's been a long day at the office.

    Cheers.


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  23. Ode to the true Three Button Mouse by RigMonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh how I love thee, modern "three button" mouse. Let me count the ways. One. Twone... twroolllll... twslip-er -roll-er... twthree... dangit!!!! Three. -Unnamed poet of the twenty-first century ____________________________________________ Fight for the survival of REAL thee-button mice!!!

  24. Why Microsoft, why? by Zakabog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Last week, Microsoft Corp. announced a computer mouse with horizontal scrolling capabilities and even a mouse outfitted in leather.

    I know "why" isn't a great question to ask on slashdot but now I really mean it. I think horizontal scrolling would be VERY nice, especially when looking at a large picture and you don't feel like moving to the bottom and scrolling, and you can't use the arrow keys to move because you only have one han... ok I'll stop right their.

    Anyway, why fit a mouse with leather? Your hand gets very warm and sweaty from playing games and sometimes just doing regular work on the computer so why would you want a leather covered mouse? I'm sure it'll be a lot of fun having your hand stick to your mouse when it's too hot. And wouldn't the sweat really wear down the leather and like ruin it? Won't whatever dye they use bleed onto your hand? I dunno it just doesn't seem like a good idea.

  25. demo of the first mouse by The+Unabageler · · Score: 2, Informative

    amazing what google can pull up. here's a website about Engelbart's demo of the first mouse

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    1. Re:demo of the first mouse by The+Unabageler · · Score: 2, Interesting
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  26. Old-school optical mice by Experiment+626 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I really liked the optical mice about 12 years ago that were put out by Mouse Systems, and the ones on the Sun workstations at the time. Sure, optical is mainstream stuff now, but these cutting edge mice were so ahead of their time... how many people had an optical mouse on their 386?

    Unlike the modern opticals, however, the early ones didn't let you use any old surface as a mouse pad. They came with special metal mouse pads with a tiny grid of shiny and not-as-shiny areas for the mouse to track. Get the pad too scratched or dented and your mouse started working funny. I liked the pads though, having your mouse on a futuristic metal surface instead of the usual felt-covered rubber was all part of the charm.

  27. Amstrad 1512 mouse by adeyadey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mine was the mouse that came with the Amstrad 1512 , europes first really affordable mouse orientated PC clone. Ah, running GEM off a single 360K FD (no HD).. And that nice clunky mouse cursor when you ran the QBASIC 2.0 compiler..

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  28. Re:Logitech 3 button mouse, no wheel! by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try pixelusa.com

    Only $8.00 and they have lots in stock.

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  29. Re:Trackman Marble+ by stretch0611 · · Score: 2, Informative
    That is also my favorite. Technically it is a trackball not a mouse, but I own about 6 of them for use on my multiple computers. I even use one at the office.

    Movement is ver precise, even when they are very dirty it is easy to move the pointer where you want it on the screen. It uses a laser to track the movement of dots on the surface of the ball instead of any physical motion device. I bought my first one for $99 about 5 years ago and it is still going strong. The only problem I have is that they are hard to find in stock. But the logitech store currently has them for $29.

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  30. Mice Cradles by agent+dero · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you would have had a nice old MacWorld subscription, on the March 2003 issue, on the back was a great add for the kensington studiomouse, which is wireless, and has a cradle

    Studio Mouse

    Beautiful mouse, but, there, question answered, and mice evolution goes on.

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  31. "Also compatable with mousepads" by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    at no extra cost, even...

    You know, you CAN use it on a mousepad.. it keeps it cleaner, and moves smoother, depending.

    Really. It works. I've seen it.

    1. Re:"Also compatable with mousepads" by secolactico · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My favorite mousepad for my optical mouse: an A4 piece of paper. If it gets dirty, trash it and get a new one. Cheap too.

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  32. Cordless by Morth · · Score: 2, Informative

    My best investment mouse-wise was the cordless optical mouse I'm now using. No more cleaning, no more cable getting stuck somewhere.

    1. Re:Cordless by Quixotic+Raindrop · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree (mostly) ... but, instead of the Cordless Optical mouse, I use the Cordless Trackman Wheel. I've used the Cordless Trackman ever since it first came out, back in 1997 (IIRC). I find that the thumb trackball is a lot more precise even than the Wacom tablet w/pen that I have, possibly because years of caffeine ingestion have made the muscles in my forearm twitch like a disembodied lizard's tail.

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  33. when will they bring out a good Bluetooth mouse? by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think its time Logitech brought out a decent wireless mouse that uses Bluetooth and does not require its own branded USB-to-Bluetooth adapter like the Microsoft products. And while we're at it, a Bluetooth based wireless keyboard that matches the Microsoft Elite series, again without requiring the use of their own branded adapter.

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  34. Simple solution: duct tape (obviously) by phoenix123 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Cut a fitting piece of duct tape (or transparent plastic tape, found in any office on the northern hemisphere). Put it under the mouse, on the feet, with one stripe covering two feet (x-axis), one above, one below the center and there you go ready for high speed mousing with full accuracy.

    And here's the catch: if it accumulates junk from the desk and loses that comfortable feel, add another layer of tape or replace the original tape. You can easily stack more than a dozen layers without a notable difference in mouse feeling. That way you always have a perfectly sliding mouse.

    Hardcore gamers go even further: they use the tape and silicone or PTFE-spray (teflon) in small doses - works WONDERS, I tell you...

  35. MousePaint not a port of MacPaint by Chris+Hanson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, MousePaint was a port of LisaPaint.

    Look at the title bar of the window, and the items in the menu bar, and then look at some screen shots of the Apple Lisa.

    The giveaways: The File menu is called "File/Print" and the stripes in the window title bar are vertical, not horizontal as on the Mac.

    (My first mouse was for my Apple //c as well, in 1985 or 1986 I think, and I also happen to own a used Apple Lisa 2/10.)

  36. Also the chord-board by John_Sauter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I had the privilege, along with many others, of getting a personal demonstration of the mouse from Doug Engelbart when I was at Stanford in the 1960s. In addition to the mouse he demonstrated a device that has not yet become popular: the chord-board. As I recall it was six levers, one for each finger plus two for the thumb, so you could operate it with either your right or your left hand. By pressing the levers in various combinations he could enter data into the computer. The only similar device I have seen since is the keyboard used by court reporters.
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  37. Heavily modded Logitech. by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Classic logitech mouse with wheel... But with mods.

    Inertia wheel. I removed the clickety-click mechanism of the wheel, and ordered a metal replacement for the rubber band - a pretty heavy iron ring. Now with a single strong push I may scroll 20-30 pages (while seeing them all as they scroll by!) and stop by putting my finger against the spinning wheel when I see the section I've been looking for. Causes some problems in games (like unwanted weapons switching) but is absolutely superb when it comes to websurfing and all no-game work. BTW, assign "fire" to "mouse up" and you get instant autofire ;)

    Thumb RMB. Since the inertia wheel is slightly bigger than the original one, I can't use it as middle mouse button. All the better, I've placed one in the side of the mouse, under my thumb. It's VERY comfortable. Far more than the wheel was. No moving fingers from button to button, just press with thumb and get things pasted :)

    And prettifiers... Some plastic that is used in "emergency route" labels and shines in the darkness, around the wheel, to mask the hole edges and an op amp tapped into data lines and powered from the power lines with output to a LED placed under the thumb button, blinking on any mouse activity.

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  38. The Fingerworks keyboard/mouse/gesture keyboard by Scodiddly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm a big fan of the Fingerworks products. It's a little weird to type on, but the mousing and gesturing is wonderful. And it supports Linux, even to the point of having a set of desktop-switch gestures and Emacs shortcut gestures. The customization software runs under Linux, too.

  39. Logitech Dual Optical advantages by madmancarman · · Score: 2, Informative
    Any real geek could have a Dual Optical Mouse. Also available at Thinkgeek. That is definately my favorite mouse.

    I agree completely. I was using a Kensington ADB 4-button mouse on my G3 Mac for ProTools when one of the buttons decided to die, and I had heard good things about the Logitech Dual Optical, so I picked one up and I couldn't be happier. The two things I dislike about most optical mice are 1) the (lack of) mass and 2) the width. Kensington and Microsoft optical mice are a little too wide and flat for my preferences; I like how Logitech mice are shaped a little higher.

    The best thing about the Logitech Dual Optical, though, is how massive (heavy) it is compared to most other optical mice. The components of optical mice are, by their very nature, lighter than the traditional ball mice, and from years of shoving around heavier mice, I can't handle those flimsy plastic things. The Dual Optical has some meat on its bones, and it tracks more smoothly than any other optical I've used. Great mouse!

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  40. Mac Mouse by jn42 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Anyone else remember the old Mac 'campaign' that went like this:

    "Our mouse has only one button, so there's no confusion which button you have to press!" ???

    Ah, the good old days... [snort]

    j

  41. A former colleague had only Doug-autographed mouse by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of my former colleagues, when we were visiting Doug one day, had the bright idea of having him autograph his mouse.

    Doug duly autographed it - and mentioned that this was the first time anybody had asked him. (This was in the late '80s or early '90s, so it wasn't like nobody had had the opportunity.)

    So at that point he had the only Engelbart-autographed mouse. (And even if somebody else has asked since - which the rest of us didn't to avoid me-too ism and maintain the value of HIS mouse - he still has the first.)

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  42. Perhaps the worst mouse ever made... by grasshoppah · · Score: 2, Funny

    Argue all you want, the apple puck mouse was still an abomination.