Posted by
michael
on from the does-renter's-insurance-cover-this dept.
sagman writes "Russ at NTBugtraq is proposing fines for those whose computers allow the propagation of viruses, worms, etc., knowingly or unknowingly... Russ is taking a poll on his site. Russ states in an email that he wrote this up at the request of a US Senator staffer..."
Denial of Money attack?
by
soren42
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The problem with this system is that it opens people who already aren't that skilled at running a computer to a new kind of attack. Imagine someone spoofing your IP and broadcasting worm packets, running up your fines.
ISPs probably would have too much volume to deal with to investigate every packet, so it becomes easier to pay the fine than fight the system.
There's got to be a better solution than this.
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"Adventure? Excitement? A Jedi craves not these things."
Re:Denial of Money attack?
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eln
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Yes, this would effectively push >90% of today's Internet users off the network. While some people might think this is a good thing, I doubt the many thousands of people that would lose their jobs in an already down economy would agree.
The only way to do something like this is to make virus scanning software compulsory, which opens up an entirely new can of worms relating to privacy rights, freedoms related to what one can do with one's own property, and implementation of such a thing without a.) forcing every American to spend money on virus scanning software or b.) jacking up everyone's tax rates. This doesn't even take into account what sort of staggering class action lawsuit would result if a destructive virus was not picked up by the now-required scanning software.
All in all, this is a kneejerk reaction of the worst kind.
No way in hell this would fly.
by
grub
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"..whose computers allow the propagation of viruses, worms, etc., knowingly or unknowingly.."
Rather than fining the people (victims?) of poorly written software and OSes, why not have a
class-action suit against the corporations that make the worms & viruses possible in the first place?
Most people are up in arms when the RIAA goes after the wallet of individuals who knowingly download their
Evil MP3s whereas the bulk of users that get these infections just don't know any better.
Fining lusers won't give them clues, education will.
-- Trolling is a art,
Re:No way in hell this would fly.
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McAddress
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forget a lawsuit. fine the maker of the software for each copy of an OS or other piece of software that propogates a bug. After all, the OS belongs to MS. I only have a license.
Re:No way in hell this would fly.
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eln
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Sounds great for Microsoft, but in a market where successfully introducing a new competing OS is already near impossible, such a policy would push any fledgling OS company instantly into bankruptcy the minute a minor security flaw is detected in their software. Microsoft is probably the only software company in the US right now that could begin to absorb the costs of such a policy, leaving it the only company standing.
You think Microsoft owning 90% of the market is bad, wait until they own 100%.
What he proposes is way too strict. Right now, I run through a firewall and proxy, keep my system up to date, etc. Is it my fault if someone hacks into my computer and uses it? No. I've done everything possible to make my computer secure, short of spending thousands of dollars on corporate-level firewalls, etc., or disconnecting it from the internet completely. No computer is 100% hackproof.
Impossible to avoid
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One+Louder
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Unfortunately, at this point it's nearly impossible for a new user to keep from getting infected.
Let's say Joe Consumer is interested in a computer - he goes down to MicroCompuCenterUSA and buys a spanking new Windows XP-based machine, plugs in the cable modem, turns it on.
*WHAMMO*
He's infected before he even gets a chance to get the latest updates, assuming he even know that's something he's supposed to do.
My sister-in-law when through this exact scenario just recently. She got nailed by Blaster within a few minutes of powering up the machine for the first time. She has no idea what a firewall is, and would certainly wonder why she would need one with a brand-new computer.
This proposal is a little like buying a new car and having the wheels fall off as you drive off the lot, then being fined for causing an accident.
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The problem with this system is that it opens people who already aren't that skilled at running a computer to a new kind of attack. Imagine someone spoofing your IP and broadcasting worm packets, running up your fines.
ISPs probably would have too much volume to deal with to investigate every packet, so it becomes easier to pay the fine than fight the system.
There's got to be a better solution than this.
"Adventure? Excitement? A Jedi craves not these things."
"..whose computers allow the propagation of viruses, worms, etc., knowingly or unknowingly
Rather than fining the people (victims?) of poorly written software and OSes, why not have a class-action suit against the corporations that make the worms & viruses possible in the first place? Most people are up in arms when the RIAA goes after the wallet of individuals who knowingly download their Evil MP3s whereas the bulk of users that get these infections just don't know any better.
Fining lusers won't give them clues, education will.
Trolling is a art,
What he proposes is way too strict. Right now, I run through a firewall and proxy, keep my system up to date, etc. Is it my fault if someone hacks into my computer and uses it? No. I've done everything possible to make my computer secure, short of spending thousands of dollars on corporate-level firewalls, etc., or disconnecting it from the internet completely. No computer is 100% hackproof.
Let's say Joe Consumer is interested in a computer - he goes down to MicroCompuCenterUSA and buys a spanking new Windows XP-based machine, plugs in the cable modem, turns it on.
*WHAMMO*
He's infected before he even gets a chance to get the latest updates, assuming he even know that's something he's supposed to do.
My sister-in-law when through this exact scenario just recently. She got nailed by Blaster within a few minutes of powering up the machine for the first time. She has no idea what a firewall is, and would certainly wonder why she would need one with a brand-new computer.
This proposal is a little like buying a new car and having the wheels fall off as you drive off the lot, then being fined for causing an accident.