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Even Grues Get Full

honestpuck writes "Even Grues Get Full is the fourth and latest collection of cartoons from User Friendly. I got this collection because a friend said the third collection was brilliant 'from cover to cover.' I have to say that this collection did have some exceptionally good moments, but 'from cover to cover,' I think not." Honestpuck's review continues, below. Even Grues Get Full author J.D. "Iliad" Frzer pages 122 publisher O'Reilly rating 8 - Funny reviewer Tony Williams ISBN 0596005660 summary Chock full o' laughs. Funny, didn't split my sides or spit coffee out my nose, but funny

To start, I didn't find the inside title page even worth a smile, the only joke 'Even Grues Get Full' had already been on the front cover and I'd noticed its repetition on the back one as well.

To investigate a little further I read the 'Foreword' by Wil Wheaton. OK, it did have one good Wesley joke but mostly it seemed to be saying how much he didn't mind Iliad making fun of him in the strip.

Then we get to the strips. Yeah, some are funny. I laughed a bit. Iliad certainly knows a good tech joke when he draws one - even if he does seem to make a lot of jokes at the expense of the Windows operating system -- which seems to be a combination of shooting fish in a barrel and politically incorrect making fun of the crippled and lame. However some things are just not funny, Mr Frazer.

What about those cartoons from page 78 to 83. To start off, no self respecting Lego geek with two hundred and seventy million dollars would buy two million sets of Lego Mindstorms. I'd only (sorry, I mean 'He'd only') buy one and a half million to leave cash left over for buying a couple of hundred thousand Lego models of the Millenium Falcon -- I mean, "D'uh!" Oh, and about the cartoon on page 82: missing a 16-wheel cog to complete your project is no laughing matter you know. I don't see what's so amusing about building a missile silo out of Lego either -- I'm going to build a carry box for my cat when I can get enough blue 12 x 1 bricks.

Then there's the series about the visiting MBA. No real geek would fall in love with a woman merely because her name, 'Pearl,' was a homonym for a scripting language - get real. If her name had been 'See' or 'Jarvah,' maybe. But not funny, Iliad.

Frankly, I think this book is full of the usual 'User Friendly' rubbish. Jokes at the expense of those poor users (hey, they don't know any better), clueless management (hey, they don't know any better) and socially disadvantaged and deprived geeks (hey, we don't know any better.) Joking about the outstanding, well-informed and upright citizens that work in the sales and marketing departments of our IT firms and ISPs? Shame on you J.D. Oh, and poking fun at poor Larry Ellison just cause he isn't as rich as Bill is just downright mean.

I think Tim O'Reilly should be ashamed to publish this book. I guess the only reason he does is that Iliad hasn't poked fun at him (yet).

I wouldn't recommend this book to anyone. It's just chock full of jokes that only a Linux-loving geek could find funny. Cartoons full of references that only a Perl programming geek would understand. I didn't learn a single thing about programming in C# for .NET ot the latest protocols used in Active Directories -- a totally useless tech book, really.

Look, just go to the User Friendly web site and see some more recent examples from this deeply disturbed cartoonist, or go to the O'Reilly book page and check out a few strips from the book itself and you will agree with me.

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  1. Re:WTF by Tyler+Durden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the reviewer was trying to be funny. Seeing as how he wasn't, I'm not surprised that you missed it.

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  2. Re:WTF by woozlewuzzle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looks less like a book review and more like the reviewer is just trying to dole out his/her own perls of humor.

    Sorry, not impressed.

  3. Re:grow some balls by rootofevil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    this should clear some things up for you

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  4. 9/11 by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did they include that sappy 9/11 cartoon in this book? The one with the geek hugging Dust Puppy?

    I suppose Illiad was trying to do 'something' to make note of the horror of that day, but I found that particular strip to be..well kind of stupid.

    wbs.

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  5. Oh my god ... by trampel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Has no one so far got the subtle humor of the review?

    He obviously loves the book!

    1. Re:Oh my god ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      He was not funny. It figures he loves User Friendly.

  6. Heads up on the sarcasm folks. by CyberKnet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    By the look of comments so far, there seem to be quite a few people with malfunctioning sarcasm sensors today.

    So, for the sensor deprived: Wrap the entire text in a <SARCASM> tag, and you'll be able to enjoy it much more fully.

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    1. Re:Heads up on the sarcasm folks. by _bug_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By the look of comments so far, there seem to be quite a few people with malfunctioning sarcasm sensors today.

      No. I think that the author was trying to be sarcastic but a lot of people agree that UF is crap exactly for the same reasons the review's author gives.

      Every web comic I've ever been to has seen the artist grow and get increasingly better as time progressed. Illiad... I just don't know what's retarding his growth, artistically, but the look of the comic alone is of such repetitive, low quality that any good writing is being horribly overshadowed by the bad art.

      And I think Illiad misses the funny more often than not as well. There's only so many jokes you can make about geek-dom before it's gets really old. It's like when your cousin Bob starts spouting "floppy/hard drive" jokes thinking he's discovered an untapped resource for hilarity.

      There's the antiquated comparison between UF and Penny Arcade that seems to come up every time and gets ignored every time because it's been said before.

      But I just want to point out that Penny Arcade actually does go outside the realm of gaming. In fact there have been several weeks in a row where little actual gaming-related comics are written.

      I don't see that in UF at all. No attempt at broadening the subject matter or expanding into new perspectives.

      There's just no growth and without growth things get boring.

  7. What? by Prince_Ali · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They are giving the comics away. Look at the friggin website! Do you want them to give actual physical books away? If so, I hope you never try to run a business.

  8. I certainly hope... by .@. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...that the book is funnier than the review.

    No, I'm not humor or sarcasm-impaired. I just think that was the most craptacular review I've ever read. Unfunny, heavy-handed sarcasm does not a review make.

    What? Iliad writes about Linux? He makes fun of Windows? Say it isn't so! We NEVER would have known that without this insightful review.

    What's next, a /. review of RedHat that spends five paragraphs explaining what Linux is to us? Preacher, meet choir. Choir, preacher. Go get acquainted.

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  9. This bring back memories... by drxenos · · Score: 2

    of my first time playing Zork and my light went out!

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  10. Anyone visit honestpuck's link in the summary? by Zildy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Sat, 27 Sep 2003

    I Sure Do Like Them Cartoonies

    I like a good cartoon, either political such as Doonesbury or IT such as Dilbert, or in this case User Friendly. That?s distinct from an animated short - which is what Yosemite Sam was referring to, of course. I like them as well.

    I picked up a copy of the latest User Friendly collection, Even Grues Get Full, and it was good. I liked it from the title (and I can remember being eaten by a Grue more than 25 years ago in the Collosal Caves) through to some nice barbs at Microsoft.

    Watch out for a full review, but in the meantime I recommend it to all User Friendly fans."

    LOL what the hell.

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    1. Re:Anyone visit honestpuck's link in the summary? by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In other news, he recommends the latest Disney film to Disney fans and the latest Danielle Steele to Danielle Steele fans. KISS fans may like the new KISS record, and I hear that cat fanciers often FANCY CATS.

      I mean, fuck, slashdot won't post my stories but they post this crap? An unfunny, rambling review of an unfunny, divisive comic strip? Maybe instead of asking intriguing philosophical questions like "What is the proper way to tell my boss that I have failed a task," I should submit my review of the latest Hieroglyphics album, (which you will probably like if you liked the last one).

      I'll get right on that. In the meantime, I recommend all User Friendly fans fuck off and die. Maybe if you tried understanding WHY somebody doesn't know how to use the computer rather than making fun of HOW they messed it up, we'd have fewer Nick Burns clones in IT and fewer jobs slipping overseas.

      Or maybe it's the ID 10 T virus. Haw haw.

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  11. Obligatory Simpsons quote by Enigma2175 · · Score: 2, Funny

    there seem to be quite a few people with malfunctioning sarcasm sensors today.

    CBG: Oh yeah, then everyone's REAL happy then.
    Lady: Do I detect a note of sarcasm?
    Frink: (reading sarcasm detector) Are you kidding me, this baby's off the charts, mmhay!
    CBG: Ooh, a sarcasm detector, well that's a REAL useful invention. (detector blows up)

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  12. Compact! by dswensen · · Score: 4, Funny

    But not funny, Iliad.

    This should have been the review. It sums up my feelings about User Friendly nicely.

    Well, that and this.

  13. Missing one Lego piece? by Bombcar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Any true Lego geek would have headed right over to BrickLink to pick up the missing piece.

    Pimpin' my own Lego store.....

  14. How does he do it? by fuqqer · · Score: 2

    Honestpuck writes more reviews than I've ever seen anyone do in my life.

    Does he have a job? Is he a book reviewer for someone other than slashdot? Where the hell does he find the time?

    How much coffee does this man drink? How many words per minute can this guy read? What kind of comprehension level does he read at?

    Does he have a life, (he only reviews tech books and sci-fi weeniebooks)? Is he some kind of super ultra mega genetically modified genius after reading all this material?

    I don't know why I wrote this post because it seems like a bunch of drivel, but I needed to satisfy my slashdot posting urge today. I also needed to show my amazement at Honestpuck's mad reading skillz.

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  15. I'm a regular Ufie, and I'm speachless. by pecosdave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know if I want to do a victory dance for a good review, criticize you for being closed minded, or agree with you for pointing out some obvious but real problems.

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    1. Re:I'm a regular Ufie, and I'm speachless. by Frobnicator · · Score: 2, Funny
      I think his rating of the book, 8/10 - funny, and the meaning and context of his message makes it fairly clear that this reveiw is a parody or sarcastic.

      I mean a comment like "[the title] is a little bit funny. But putting [the title] on the back cover AND on the title page is overkill." is hopefully meant as a joke. I think.

      frob

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  16. Re:Huh! There's only one Groo... by jfengel · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can plainly see that.

  17. Wakka wakka wakka by plover · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It wasn't subtle humor. It was ill-timed humor.

    As Statler said so eloquently to Ebeneezer Scrooge in The Muppets Christmas Carol, "Leave comedy to the bears!"

    That review would have been more appropriate if it had been sarcastically commenting on anything but a comedy book. As it was, *pfft*. Nothing.

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  18. User Friendly was soooo 1999 by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The artwork is sloppy, the stories repetitive, the characters mere sketches. But you could say the same about Dilbert. The difference is that back in the heady pre-crash days, User Friendly showed a more optimistic, happier, fuzzier world, populated by and aimed at college geeks that never really grew up. It provided an antidote to the cynicism of Dilbert, and in the days when money hoses got turned on ever nerd with a vision, it was going to be just the core of a huge multimedia empire, run by the forces of good.

    But then the market tanked, and everything changed. The audience of User Friendly found themselves losing their jobs left right and centre. The company behind it - composed of one lousy artist, a web guy, and a bunch of marketing parasites - found that you can't pay ten mortgages if you're giving the goods away. Most of the staff got laid off, and User Friendly went bitter.

    I don't just mean the strip, I mean the whole community around it. Illiad got real brittle, real fast. Posting constructive criticism on the discussion boards got your account wiped, no warnings. The remaining zealots on the boards went passive-aggressive, and savaged anything that didn't fit in with their self congratulatory circle jerking.

    Worse, post 9-11, User Friendly went maudlin. It's bad enough when cartoonists try to cover serious issues, but when they do it with smug ABC style flag worshipping patriotism teamed with really crappy art, it just gets embarrassing.

    User Friendly is now in its death throes. There are about two dozen characters drifting in and out of it (a new one was added this week), and none of them are particularly well realised. If you can't think of anything funny to do with the characters you've got, adding new ones probably isn't the solution.

    It all looked so hopeful, but now a week of User Friendly might - on a good week - give you the same amount of smirk as one day of Dilbert. I guess Illiad has figured out by now that Dilbert shows the tech world as it really is, but he never figured out how to portray that in a funny way. It's sad really, but all childhood things must pass.

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