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New Nano-ITX 12cm Motherboards

Kris_J writes "mini-itx.com have exclusive pictures of VIA's new 12cm x 12cm motherboard standard they're terming 'Nano-ITX'. VIA have removed the legacy ports, moved to mini-PCI and SODIMMs and now a new batch of custom PC projects can be produced where previously there wasn't quite enough room for the motherboard. I already have an idea..."

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  1. Specs... by rf0 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Noticable by their absence are the specs though I guess we would see the 800Mhz and 1 GHz Via C3 chips to start with

    Rus

  2. Bring back the serial port! by grub · · Score: 4, Insightful


    VIA have removed the legacy ports

    I wish these companies would leave just a single RS-232 or RS-422 port. Sometimes you need a simple serial connection to connect through if the network is down. The lack of serial also limits the use for these boards for controlling other pieces of hardware if embedding is your thing.

    Maybe an online petition to bring back the RS-232 is in order :)

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    1. Re:Bring back the serial port! by grub · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Just get a USB->RS232 cable.

      That's another layer of complexity. It may work fine for Rube Goldberg but the less things to break, the better.

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    2. Re:Bring back the serial port! by Milican · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree, expecially on the embedded side. Also, a USB to RS232 adapter would not work because 90% of the time you need more than just transmit and receive. The control lines for serial are just as important if not more so. Perhaps just a header (just nine pins) not the full blown connector would work. Oh well, on the PC side RS232 has pretty much gone the way of the dinosaurs. I suspect in another decade the embedded world will have done so as well.

      JOhn

    3. Re:Bring back the serial port! by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Of course, an old computer will most likely have a serial port. This will however change in the future when the computers released 'today' without ports(a network card though, there's still hope...) become old, and people want to leech the data stored on them. Or maybe rebuild them or whatever.

      By the time serial ports or -serial converters really are rare, the market who actually use such devices will be even more of a niche than it is now - and the people in it will have been intelligent enough to have preserved appropriate methods of accessing their archaic peripherals.

    4. Re:Bring back the serial port! by tds67 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Maybe an online petition to bring back the RS-232 is in order :)

      Yes, and the same goes for the 1.44Mb floppy drive. Dell is trying to obsolete it, and Ford Motor Company went along with it and bought PCs from Dell without floppy drives.

      Why do PC and PC part manufacturers keep pushing for changes that should in fact be demand (or lack thereof) driven?

    5. Re:Bring back the serial port! by Merlin42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Look at the pics at:
      http://epia-center.de/modules.php?name=News&file=a rticle&sid=202
      In particular the first pics shows two connectors next to the vertically mounted battery. They don't seem to be mentioned in any of the specs so I am going to guess they are for connecting an RS-232 or possibly also a parallel port.

    6. Re:Bring back the serial port! by Eccles · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is that sure, it saves space on the board, but it takes up more space overall.

      If, and only if, you need an RS-232 connector. I haven't used one in nigh-on 10 years, and I bet that 98%+ or more of the computing world hasn't used one in a long time either. You have specialized needs, don't blame the rest of the world for not wanting to pay for something they don't use just to save you a couple of cables. Heck, this thing doesn't even include the keyboard and mouse connectors still on most PCs sold.

      Now what you could call for is a teeny connector (say, the size of the plugs digital cameras have) to which a break-out box with an RS-232 connection can be added, which allows you to skip the USB conversion, boot from it, yadda yadda.

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  3. Wonderful! by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't say how many times I've wanted to make a small, embedded controller system, but couldn't do it. Most projects need the ability of pc, but can't handle the space requirements for a desktop sized box. These little babies aught to make my life much more fun, and possibly fully automated.

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  4. Woohoo! by Flabby+Boohoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Roll your own notebooks!

  5. Re:Woohoo! by LookSharp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Roll your own notebooks!

    Where is the power circuitry? To run from/charge a battery?

    The controller to run a native LCD?

    Be sure to include some room for converters to step down the big IDE down to notebook harddrives and optical drives.

    Oh and that "1 GHz C3?" It has roughly the computational power of a Celeron 600.

    Feel free to invest $1200 in making one of these into a notebook with an LCD, but I'd just assume spend $1000 on a Dell 2GHz and plenty more expansion and connectivity options.

  6. Re:So please please can we have.. by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This isn't offtopic you dopes.

    These things, afaik, can run on DC power - so running off batteries shouldn't be out of the question. They'll certainly fit in a laptop sized case. SODIMMS, laptop HDDs, half-height CDroms and stuff can be had.

    As I see it, what keeps the DIY laptop scene from existing is the LCD video interface - there's just no real standard way to do it. Won't someone start mass producing laptop shells, complete with LCDs, inverters, and interface board?

    I wonder what the Dells of the world would do if people could cobble together their own laptops. I read somewhere that portables are fast becoming the biggest chunk of the box brands profits.

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  7. Re:12cm^2 by temojen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    12cm * 12cm == 144cm^2

  8. Re:12cm^2 by dbavirt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who modded the parent insightful?! Can I get modded up for quoting numbers from my calculator? 2 + 2 = 4 7 * 8 = 56

  9. Worst legacy PC item is still there. by Cheetahfeathers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They haven't removed the worst offender of the old legacy PC, however. The BIOS is still there. PCs need to ditch BIOS and go with something decent like openboot. Also, console on an out of band management line needs to be stardand, so you can administer things remotely or when the network is down.

    It doesn't need to be legacy serial, though that's what everything else uses. Put it on USB for all I care. Just make sure I can get to the system outside the network, and boot/reset/configure it from there.

  10. Re:So please please can we have.. by riedquat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The mini-ITX still needs a normal ATX power supply (+/- 5V, +/- 12V) - generally you will get a solid state power supply that takes 12V as an input which takes up a bit more space.

    I can't even see the power connector on the nano-ITX - if that runs straight off 12V that's great.

  11. NOT Legacy-Free! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What are those two long blue ports with pins? We know one of them is IDE, I suspect the other is floppy. To be really legacy-free we'd ditch them and rely solely on the S-ATA. My 2 fennigs.