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Smartcards to Track London Commuters

misterpies writes "Technophiles across London have been excited about the recent introduction of Oyster smartcards on public transport to replace old-fashioned paper tickets. Their enthusiasm might cool off now that London Transport has admitted that not only can the card be used to track your journey across London -- they're actually going to keep the data for 'a number of years'. Add that to their congestion charge cameras used for tracking car movements and pretty soon you'll have to stick to walking if you don't want your movements tracked. Until they implement those facial recognition systems that were such a great success in Tampa, Florida."

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  1. You're tracked in London. Period. by vinsci · · Score: 4, Informative
    London has the worlds highest concentration of monitoring video cameras. The average Londoner is caught on video tape three hundred (300) times a day.

    See also Central London webcams go dark for anti-war demo at The Register.

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  2. Degauss for Privacy by Bonker · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.degaussers.net/degausserVS250.htm

    In some cases, the data is not kept on the card, but more and more I run into places that want to 'swipe' various cards to input data into their systems. This is starting to become very notable in Texas, where everyone and their brother wants to swipe your TXDL while you're paying.

    Degaussing my driver's license and ruining the track 1 and 2 data stored on it means that the various POS terminals that want to scan it go balls up. The manager comes over and almost invariably says 'Hmmm... Treat this like a cash payment.'

    It's not perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.

    Is inconvenience worth your privacy? It is for me.

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    1. Re:Degauss for Privacy by 200_success · · Score: 3, Informative

      Degaussing the magnetic strip on your driver's license might be considered mutilation, and might be illegal. Besides, a store clerk who gets your license with a damaged magnetic stripe might just decide to hand-copy the information on it, which doesn't help your privacy. What you want to do is to refuse to hand over your license in the first place.

      The contracts that the merchants have with Visa, MasterCard, and American Express prohibit them from requiring your ID to charge one of their cards. Furthermore, in some states it is illegal to ask for personal information when taking a credit card. (Texas is not among them.)

      The link has a number of other interesting facts:

      • Visa and MasterCard don't allow their merchants to specify minimum charges or surcharges for using their cards.
      • If a merchant doesn't comply with the above rules, you can report them to your credit card company.
      • Some states (Texas not among them) forbid merchants to write your credit card number on a check.
  3. What's new? by Larsing · · Score: 4, Informative

    And how is this any different from the ordinary magnetic strip paper cards which has been in use for years on the Tube?
    They, incidentally, also have a unique ID number linked to the registered owner's name, which is recorded together with the location and time of the exchange every time the card is used...

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  4. But.... by tarquin_fim_bim · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Until they implement those facial recognition systems"

    ...they already have in London Borough of Newham.

  5. Re:Indeed you are... by ichimunki · · Score: 3, Informative

    Thank you for the voice of sanity in this discussion. It's been my position for some time that the best way to prevent abuse of this type of data is not to try and abolish it altogether, but to put some public accountability into the system (i.e. being able to audit the records they hold on me). After all, understanding trip patterns or customer behaviors or whatever is highly valuable information for those providing services of this type. This allows them (hopefully) to model various situations and to attempt to improve service. What I'd be curious to hear is how well people have found the system to work in London for requesting this stuff. Is there any evidence of governmental misuse of the data?

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  6. Re:Indeed you are... by kiwi_james · · Score: 4, Informative

    request from London Transport a copy of all information they hold on their computer systems about you and your travel movements

    Or you could just do it yourself at a ticket machine.

    Walk up to any of the touchscreen ticket machines and swipe your Oystercard near the big yellow card reader thingee.

    Up pop a couple of options mainly to do with renewing your card - however there is one to view your usage history. I was quite interested when I saw it - as I wondered how much they tracked - so I swiped the card and got a nice list of all my trips over the last week - bus, train and tube - all with dates/times.

    At least if they're logging it you can actually see for yourself what they're logging without a big effort.

    Does anyone know if this trip information is stored on the Oyster Card itself, a server, or both?