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NTT Joins OSDL

craigoda writes "NTT, the world's largest telecommunications company has joined the Open Source Development Lab (OSDL) (Japanese) to focus on increasing the availability, clustering, and performance of Linux for use as the infrastructure OS in next generations telecommunications systems. NTT's work on Linux will be done through OSDL's Carrier Grade Linux (CGL) working group. Here is a Dow Jones Business story was released yesterday based on the rumour that NTT was joining. Looking at the OSDL web site, the rumour appears to be true."

81 comments

  1. Reflects NTT's strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to work as consultant for NTT back in the mid-80s and they've always supported innovative strategies within the company. The folks at OSDL will be able to tap in large talent pool within the company.

    Which is nice.

    1. Re:Reflects NTT's strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beautiful, man. Only one story over and you've got two lots of positive mods (as an AC!), despite the fact you're clearly lying through your teeth.

      Which is nice.

      (A Brit too, lovely)

    2. Re:Reflects NTT's strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'll know how to identify the "Which is nice." troll.

      Which is nice.

    3. Re:Reflects NTT's strategy by Second+Vampyre · · Score: 0

      Sometimes I wonder if there is more than one anonymous coward.

    4. Re:Reflects NTT's strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, there's not. We're a hive mind.

    5. Re:Reflects NTT's strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are the BORG. You will be assimilated.

    6. Re:Reflects NTT's strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, I used to try "Make X Open Source" but that got old:

      I did this for a lark and I have gotten lots of mod point since.

      Moderators are such lemmings.

      Which is nice.

    7. Re:Reflects NTT's strategy by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 0, Troll

      I used to work as consultant for NTT back in the mid-80s

      Dude! Neat! I worked on a Commadore 64 in the mid eighties as well! My Dad bought one when they were damn near brand new (early eighties). It was really cool. It kinda sucked that most of my friends had Apple ][ or ][+, but it was still cool. I kicked ass at Bruce Lee. I have a Gentoo box now. Well, I'm slapping together a Win '98 box so I can play some games. AOK, AOK:TC, things like that. I play RTCW and Q3A and Tribes2 and thing like that on my *NIX box, but, I dunno, Working for NTT is like using one of my old friend's VIC-20's, ummm... IT MEANS NOTHING!

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      I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
      I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
    8. Re:Reflects NTT's strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I admire your trolling ability.

    9. Re:Reflects NTT's strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's... an... asshole!

    10. Re:Reflects NTT's strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's... an... asshole!

      I am not an asshole. I am a whole ass...

      Moron AC.

      errr... wait...

      -Xanadu

    11. Re:Reflects NTT's strategy by Vliscony · · Score: 1

      As a side note I worked for NTT subsidiary Verio in 2002, and was told we would not develop a certain product which I proposed, because it was to be hosted on Solaris, because it would "endanger our marketing dollars from Microsoft." And in general sales people were told not to lead with Unix/Linux solutions, only to provide them in case the customer asked. The company is still wondering why they're not making money.

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      Rogier F. van Vlissingen
  2. NTT joining OSDL by Alapan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Note it says "possibly". Also, Linux migration is going to take a long time, and they probably will support multiple operating systems anyway.

    1. Re:NTT joining OSDL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note the most recent announcement on the ODSL website:

      "NTT Data Intellilink Joins OSDL"

      The story submitter and slashdot editors are simply morons who can't speak english clearly.

    2. Re:NTT joining OSDL by LuYu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...they probably will support multiple operating systems anyway.
      You say that as if it would only be good if the support were exclusive to Linux. As long as the support is not exclusive to MS, life is good. More mainstream support for Linux can only be a good thing.
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  3. Go Nihon! by cgranade · · Score: 2, Funny

    First, the Japanese gov't supports a Linux-based OS, now this. Gotta hand it to the Japanese! yokkatadesuyo!

    --

    #define DRM chmod 000

    1. Re:Go Nihon! by wittyvitya · · Score: 1

      Well, it's not just the Japanase - it's South Korea and, quite possibly, China, too. But I think they're driven by very pragmatic desires - the need for better handling of Asian alphabets by operating systems being chief among them. I suspect that if Microsoft had spent more time building this (in a meaningful way) into Windows, the three wouldn't have the urgency that they seem to show now.

  4. Translation by Leffe · · Score: 3, Funny

    Here's the babelfish translation:

    No wait, it's here.

    1. Re:Translation by cgranade · · Score: 1

      Get out your katakana charts, kids, because Babelfish doesn't do it for you, ya' know!

      --

      #define DRM chmod 000

    2. Re:Translation by Clowning · · Score: 2, Funny

      Reading that gave me a feeling best described as motion-sickness.

    3. Re:Translation by Leffe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or better: The babelfish effect.

      Having a fish swim up your ear can not be a very pleasant experience.

    4. Re:Translation by Xerithane · · Score: 2, Informative

      Get out your katakana charts, kids, because Babelfish doesn't do it for you, ya' know!

      The katakana in the article is "Linux", so everywhere you see non latin characters replace it with Linux.

      P.S. How the hell do you type in Japanese on here? It works on Slashdot.jp, but it converts it to う or something.

      --
      Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
    5. Re:Translation by Thud457 · · Score: 1
      Neither is having a fish swim up your uretha.

      (warning: website contains graphic images worthy of rotten.com
      Ok, Ok, just give me the offtopic then!)

      --

      the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    6. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      errr... http://www.straightdope.com/columns/010907.html

  5. NTT joins OSDL by tandr · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... which is basically big "Fu.., sorry, Thank You, but No, thank you" to SCO even after memorable trip of McBride to Japan

  6. Everything old is new again by ekarjala · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bell Labs develops UNIX as a development environment for next generation telecommunication systems. It grows to encompass a myriad of applications over the years. One day a bright young Finn hacks a derivative to run on commidity computing hardware. This derivative "Linux" is embraced first by hard core geeks for their own use (and as an expression of independence from various monolithic computing behemoths) and eventually, through the coding and evangelizing efforts of this user community, gains acceptance in enterprise level computing environments. Now NTT wants to use Linux as a platform for next generation data/telecomm applications...

    1. Re:Everything old is new again by IM6100 · · Score: 1

      Actually, Bell Labs UNIX as a document publishing system. Think ROFF, which evolved into TROFF and was GNU-ized into GROFF. It was never intended when first being developed to be for 'next generation telecommunications systems.' It certainly wasn't reliable enough for that until years after it was first developed. Furthermore, it was developed by a few individuals at Bell Labs, in a fairly unofficial project, running on an Old little-used DEC machine.

      --
      A Good Intro to NetBS
  7. Yeah, but... by The+Old+Burke · · Score: 1, Informative
    The OSDL was founded in 2000. Its members currently include Alcatel, Cisco, Computer Associates, Dell, Ericsson, Force Computers, Fujitsu, HP, Hitachi, IBM, Intel, Linuxcare, Miracle Linux Corporation, Mitsubishi Electric, MontaVista Software, NEC Corporation, Nokia, Red Hat, SuSE, Toshiba, and VA Software.
    And now NTT.
    But why are there not any American telecoms...?

    --
    Proud patriot and republican voter.
    1. Re:Yeah, but... by chill · · Score: 3, Informative

      But why are there not any American telecoms...?

      The American telecom equipment would be Lucent, Nortel, Juniper, Ciena and a couple of others. None are in a financial position to do anything. They're not investing in a lot of R&D at the moment other than continuing existing projects.

      Lucent uses Sun Solaris and HP-UX for systems control, depending on which equipment you are talking about -- ATM/FR or DWDM/Sonet/SDH. There was a pilot program initiated about a year ago in partnership with IBM Global Services to test Linux out in certain situations. I have no idea where that is at right now.

      Nortel uses Red Hat in some situations. Actually, so did Lucent. Check out the bullet points in http://www.redhat.com/about/presscenter/2001/press _Q12002.html

      I've seen Red Hat boxes -- rows of them -- used in Verizon (Dell servers), AT&T, Williams Communications, Sprint and others.

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      Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
    2. Re:Yeah, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought Nortel was Canadian??

    3. Re:Yeah, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nortel is an American telecom equipment maker? *cough* I mean, really....spin it all you want, but what do you think NOR-TEL is an abbreviation of?

    4. Re:Yeah, but... by chill · · Score: 0, Troll

      American as in "North American". I know they are Canadian (Northern Telecom).

      Had I not mentioned Nortel, I'm sure someone from Canada would have bitched.

      Besides, as soon as those idiots in Quebec finally cecede, then the rest will become States anyway! :-)

      --
      Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
  8. Memo by grub · · Score: 5, Funny
    From: Darl McBride

    To: Renaissance Ventures

    Subject: We have 'em on the run!

    Did you hear that NTT joined with OSDL? They'll be working on our
    Linux OS for all new projects! Obviously they have come to their
    senses, email from "l337_d00dx0rzz@hotmail.com" said that NTT would
    be sending us a large sum of money for licensing.

    Darl

    ps: we *could* use another $500 or $600K to make this month's payroll.
    --
    Trolling is a art,
    1. Re:Memo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And:

      "The Open Source Development Labs (OSDL), a global consortium of leading technology companies dedicated to accelerating the adoption of Linux, today named Stacey Quandt to a new Lab position as Principal Analyst. Quandt is a veteran industry analyst. She is noted for her open source expertise and early recognition of the importance of Linux as a disruptive technology in the computing landscape."

      "disruptive technology in the computing landscape"? Man, I _could_ have told them this.

      Just replace "Analyst" with "crystal-ball gazing gypsi". I wonder how many 10K per anus er anum she makes....

  9. I'm confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot needs to provide a list of corporations approved by the geek collective, so I can skip reading and get right to the knee-jerk reaction.

    1. Re:I'm confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That changes under too many conditions. I still don't know what the knee-jerk response to Sony is.

    2. Re:I'm confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The typical knee-jerk reaction to the **AAs (Sony is a member of both) is:

      "Down with the RI/MPAA! Down with Hollywood! Oooooh, the new LOTR DVD/Soundtrack, I'm running out to buy two today!"

      Simply extrapolate this to any Sony venture.

    3. Re:I'm confused by Xerithane · · Score: 2, Funny

      Anything that has to do with Japan is cool.

      Any company that is headquartered in Japan is approved and good.

      If you see the text, "NTT" or "Japan" than you must have a positive knee-jerk reaction, and say things like, "The island of Japan is doing wonderful things to promote the open source initiative, and they truly grasp what open source is. As well as having hot (japanese school girls|blue or pink haired chicks|big robots!)

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      Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
    4. Re:I'm confused by NickDngr · · Score: 1

      Anything that has to do with Japan is cool.

      Wait... Sony is from Japan. This whole slash-bot thing is harder than it used to be.

      --
      Yoda of Borg am I! Assimilated shall you be! Futile resistance is, hmm?
    5. Re:I'm confused by Xerithane · · Score: 1

      Wait... Sony is from Japan. This whole slash-bot thing is harder than it used to be.

      They make the Aibo, they have to be cool.

      No anchovies? You have the wrong man.

      --
      Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
    6. Re:I'm confused by NickDngr · · Score: 1

      They make the Aibo, they have to be cool.

      But they are an RIAA member. Hence the confusion.

      --
      Yoda of Borg am I! Assimilated shall you be! Futile resistance is, hmm?
    7. Re:I'm confused by Xerithane · · Score: 1

      But they are an RIAA member. Hence the confusion.

      That is Sony America. Sony, as in the Japanese company, isn't. Yes, it's a wholly owned subsidiary, but it is a (mostly) separate entity.

      --
      Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
    8. Re:I'm confused by burns210 · · Score: 1

      you say that jokingly, but having a list that you can use to show that linux is legit, and can be used in the business workspace would be helpful... like ibm, who spent 1 billion on linux in a year, showing that IBM supports linux, gves linux credibility.

    9. Re:I'm confused by kryonD · · Score: 1

      Their involvement in the RIAA is vastly overshadowed by the Playstation. I would like to think of Sony as the cool kid who's just presently hanging out with a bad crowd.

      --
      I've dirtied my hands writing poetry, for the sake of seduction; that is, for the sake of a useful cause. --Dostoevsky
  10. Japanese site translated by kyoko21 · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can read the translated Japanese site here.

  11. Love NTT Technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Having lived in Japan a few years this does not suprise me. NTT always had excellent phones for the end users, with features that I still have not seen over here. Back in 1996 I was connecting at 56k through a cellphone, something we just barely are starting to see over here. Another nice thing was that half the payphones had built in data ports and ISDN connections.

  12. don't be a troll by iplayfast · · Score: 1

    And I know I shouldn't feed one. But just in case you're serious, everyone of the points you list, are things that I hope won't change because Linux already has them.

    Right now, as it stands, linux barrels forward with a world wide array of projects, with each project getting it's own evangalist to promote it, (it has a rhyme and reason, just not yours). It has legions of well paid and highly talented programmers and developers in the mix, as well as legions of hobbists as well. The cream rises to the top. We will see linux break new ground, as we have for the last decade.

  13. An intelligent decision, but here's questions: by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1) What were the alternatives?

    2) How much money will this save? I imagine into the billions, especially if it extends to a US telecomm switch to Linux. This is just one more step to open-source acceptability! :)

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  14. WOW by wmaker · · Score: 0, Troll

    45 minutes and only 37 comments, you can tell we really give damn about this post.

  15. too slow by oogoody · · Score: 0, Troll

    Linux will need to task switch in microseconds
    rather than milliseconds before it can become
    usable as a platform.

    1. Re:too slow by oogoody · · Score: 1

      How is it a troll? Do you know anything
      about real-time systems and latency
      requirements? We have just been through
      a major evaluation of linux and this arena
      and didn't use linux for this reason.

      Just because you don't agree doesn't make
      it a troll.

  16. YES! Does this mean... by pla · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This pleases me greatly. Does this mean we can expect to see NTT's TwinVQ (ie, VQF as popularized by the Yamaha encoder but technically belonging to NTT) made open source sometime in the near future?

    For those unaware of VQF, it performs noticeably better than MP3 at compressing audio (at 96Kbps, it perorms better than even MP3Pro, though takes about 10x as long to encode). For some reason (cough cough money cough) only a 96Kbps encoder ever made it out to the general public, but many people who used and loved it have long awaited a higher bitrate version.

    C'mon, NTT, you've got an otherwise dead and useless code base. Let us play!

  17. NTT's Plans: Good for Linux but Bad for Sun by reporter · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Within Japan, NTT laboratories have the same respect (among researchers) that AT&T laboratories once had before the breakup of Ma Bell. NTT joining the Open Source Development Laboratory (OSDL) to develop Linux will surely help to raise Linux's visibility and acceptance among Japanese high-technology companies. Moreover, NTT's work aggressively developing Linux at the OSDL will help to ensure the ultimate failure of Chinese attempts to recruit Japanese and Korean researchers to build an independent operating system (OS) that is incompatible with Windows or Linux. Please read "Asian trio to replace Windows".

    Further, NTT joining the OSDL is extremely bad news for Sun Microsystems. NTT currently uses Solaris to run its group servers, but NTT is clearly committed to migrating all its servers from Solaris to Linux. NTT is the beginning of the Linux avalanche that will lock Sun computer systems out of the telecommunications market. (reference: " NTT Mulls Joining Global Consortium For Linux Development")

    ... from the desk of the reporter

  18. Could save tons of money, but.... by addikt10 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The cost of Sun's telco gear, with Vertas clustering and journalling software borders on insane for a large installation, so the long term economic benifits for NTT are obvious.

    However, in my experience, a company as large as NTT would have signed NDA's with both Sun and Veritas to see what was coming in the next releases of their software, and to provide input into the design features.

    I wonder if these agreements will allow NTT to do anything but help fund development of these features.

  19. I loev puppies! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've hacked my Aibo and installed a computer-controlled fleshlight in it!

  20. Re:NTT's Plans: Good for Linux but Bad for Sun by Yokaze · · Score: 1
    > [...] Chinese attempts to recruit Japanese and Korean researchers to build an independent operating system (OS) that is incompatible with Windows or Linux

    From your link "Asian trio to replace Windows":

    The move to jointly develop a server operating system that's based on Linux began in March with a meeting in Thailand of more than 100 software engineers from the three countries.

    (emphasis mine)

    So, I'd say NTTs involvement in OSDL seems quite in line with the govermental involvement of China, Japan and Korea.
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  21. Translation of the Japanese article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    [My comments are in square brackets. I didn't translate portions that explained what Linux is, and what OSDL is, because we're all clued in about that by now.]

    NTT group plans to deliver a high-performance OS, capable of various telecommunications services, in three years. It will reduce the cost of development and operation of basic telecommunication. Linux, which has previously seen action in the public sector such as Denshi Seifu ["Electronic Government" -- some sort of Japanese buzzword] has also begun to spread in the telecommunications field [huh? the journalist got the order wrong].

    NTT Group joins OSDL on the 25th. Including IBM, the organization is formed by 30 IT companies. Of the Japanese companies participating, there are NEC, Fujitsu, Toshiba, etc. totalling five companies.

    NTT, like other participating companies, intends to use Linux in such things as system maintenance and managing literally millions of customers' account data and balance.

    Currently, other OSes such as UNIX hold the majority of the market share. NTT plans to improve Linux's reliability and functionality for use in telecommunications.

    -- 9/25 Nippon Kezai Shinbun Morning Edition

  22. Re:YES! Does this mean... by windex82 · · Score: 1

    bah, i was one of the first to help suport vqf back in the day, i had the third largest collection on the IRC network we traded on... i listen to them comparied to an average MP3 and they sound like ass compaired to the highest quality encoded MP3.. MP+ sounded better then VQF, and most mp3s (different form of vairable bitrate mp3)

    Not a troll or flamebait but VQF quite honestly sounds like trash through anything but a 5$ set of speakers...

  23. Re:YES! Does this mean... by pla · · Score: 1

    i listen to them comparied to an average MP3 and they sound like ass compaired to the highest quality encoded MP3

    And MP3 sounds like crap compared to the highest quality PCM (ie, a raw CD rip). I certainly won't disagree with you there, but I think you make an unfair comparison. No, a 96Kbps VQF doesn't sound like a 384Kbps MP3. But I'd certainly like to hear what a 384Kbps (possibly VBR?) VQF would sound like...

  24. "based on Linux" != Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    That the new OS is based on Linux does not mean that the OS is Linux or is Linux compatible. What "based on Linux" means is that the programmers will start with the Linux code and then change it to suit their needs. The result will be an OS that is not compatible with Linux.

    Otherwise, the Chinese would stick with Linux.

    1. Re:"based on Linux" != Linux by the_womble · · Score: 1
      Based on Linux will probably mean a Linux distro.

      In any case as it will be open source (according to the aricle the parent comment links to) even if it is a fork of Linux code from it is likely to end up back in Linux, and it will either stay compatible with Linux proper, or Linux distros will be able to provide compatability.

      I do not see that they will gain anything from forking so what we will see is a Linux distro with lots of work done on Asian languages, security, and whatever else suits their particular needs.

  25. Re:YES! Does this mean... by windex82 · · Score: 1

    erm, sorry i didnt mean highest quality, highest was supposed to be normal (128-192)

    sorry =\ i knew i should have previewed *kicks self*

  26. Re:YES! Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    arg, actually i didnt even mean that, the word that was wrong was the last MP3

    to the highest quality encoded VQF!!!!!

    there i finnaly got it!!! yay me...

    arg, was that a sorry attemp for disagreeing with someone =( at least this wasnt front page news =P

  27. ODSL press releases by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 1
    I noticed on all recent ODSL press releases, it says:

    About the Open Source Development Lab

    OSDL - home to Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux - ...

    For some reason I find this funny. Do they have Linus stuffed in some rack unit there? Maybe Finland should change it's name to "Finland - Linus Torvalds was born here".

  28. TLUG Server Hosted by OSDL by aszaidi · · Score: 1

    Just a side note. The Tokyo Linux Users Group's server is currently being hosted by OSDL. Thank you OSDL guys. We just changed the network settings yesterday since they shifted to a new ISP. From this report I guess it's NTT.

  29. The New (Old) Economy... by taoboy · · Score: 1

    Gee, another hardware company weighs in behind Free Software. The folks who crank out millions of blinkey-light boxes see hard economics at work here: Use Linux, don't have to hire expensive code-boys to worry about which O(1) scheduler to use. Can even afford to pitch in to the effort through places like OSDL with the MILLIONS saved in software development costs.

    SATPO*: Solaris coders are a dying breed, costing their mother company big bucks to produce something that can be had for free, and they can't even think about dragging their company to the Linux bandwagon until SCO self-immolates. Solaris will take big hits when 1) some Linux or *BSD gets a DII-COE certificate (DoD apps), and 2) CGL turns 1.0.

    I think the NTT support of OSDL is great, but I'm not going to pat them on the back for being philantropic - they did this for cold, hard economic reasons.

    *SATPO - Someone Arbitrary To Pick On