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European Moon Mission Ready for Launch

merryprankster writes "Europe's first mission to the Moon is set for blast off from Kourou in French Guiana just after midnight, local time, on Sunday. SMART 1 will study the composition of lunar rock through X-ray observations. The probe uses a new solar electric propulsion system which converts solar energy its panels into motion via the expulsion of ions. Details at the ESA mission site."

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  1. The means of getting there is the best part by grub · · Score: 5, Funny

    The probe uses a new solar electric propulsion system which converts solar energy its panels into motion via the expulsion of ions.

    IMHO that is much more interesting than the mission itself. The less chemical fuel needed to get moving once in space could mean more room for payload.

    Beat the weenies to the punch:

    I, for one, welcome our new ion propelled masters!

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!

    Natalie Portman could fly one of these to my house anytime!

    The lengths people will go to to hurt the ego of chemical-rocket engineers!

    Chemical rockets, 70, found dead in their suburban home, truly an American icon.

    Obligatory goatse.cx link.

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    1. Re:The means of getting there is the best part by KingRamsis · · Score: 4, Funny

      MHO that is much more interesting than the mission itself. The less chemical fuel needed to get moving once in space could mean more room for payload.


      Excellent observation from you, this is a new cutting edge propulsion technique, I have been studying this for the last year, I ran across this site which hosts amateur experiments in this phenomena, the made a crude working anti-gravity device, so far there is no solid physical explanation to why it flies, some have theorized that it is ion wind, I was surprised that NASA patented this propulsion technique, I'm too lazy to dig up the link now.

    2. Re:The means of getting there is the best part by Walkiry · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think that the ESA agrees with you. The SMART-1 is out to test new technology, not only to collect data on the moon. The cost of the SMART mission is around 110 million , about a fifth of the usual cost of the big ESA projects. The SMART-1 is set to get a real test of what they found out with the Artemis, when they used that new propulsion to correct the orbit error (more than it was originally intended to do).

      It's all about the technology. And a couple of extra satellites to justify the cost of launching the Ariane of course ;)

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  2. Re:Why so nationalistic? by ChuckDivine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More players means more ways of doing things. Cooperation can be good -- but so can competition. Competition allows various new technologies and ideas to be tried. A cooperative monopoly can strangle a field.

    Possibly the biggest problem with NASA is that it has stifled innovation in the field. When one organization dominates a field the way NASA does, it's difficult to get alternative ways of doing things developed. The dominant group dismisses out of hand any thing they haven't developed. They tend to drive off independently minded people. Problems go unnoticed for longer periods of time.

    Many of us welcome competition for NASA -- be it private or governmental. I salute ESA for it's independence -- and for trying out ion propulsion.

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  3. Yes, but... by CXI · · Score: 5, Informative

    I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but NASA used ion propulsion on the Deep Space 1 mission several years ago. Yes, cool technology but like most stuff it's been researched for years and used before.

  4. Re:Ion drive is cool, but... by sharkey · · Score: 5, Funny
    Sure the Ion drive is a really neat addition, but it's soooo slooooow.

    Well, they should add another one to the ship. Twin Ion Engine craft are pretty speedy, and highly manueverable as well.

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  5. 367kg isn't that light, really by hpulley · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article mentions that it is lightweight, only 367kg but NASA's first lunar orbiter weighted 386kg. So 40 years later we have a 19kg savings and it takes 15 months to get there. I love progress...

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  6. Re:Ion drive is cool, but... by roystgnr · · Score: 5, Informative

    And the payload isn't really greater at all.

    The payload in the Apollo program was launched from a Saturn V, which can put nearly 120,000 kg in low orbit and so had enough oomph to put it's payload immediately into a lunar trajectory. The payload for this mission will be launched from an Ariane V, which can only put ~16,000 kg in low orbit, but at (IIRC) a tenth the price.

    Hopefully they can perfect the ion drive, however through this to increase the speed and payload capacity.

    The drive itself is pretty near perfect; the problem is that if you're going to kick out exhaust at such insane velocity that you don't need a whole lot reaction mass to get good deltaV, then you need a whole lot of energy to get good deltaV instead. And these guys are getting that energy from solar panels, which takes a while. If we had that anti-matter reactor you want (or cold fusion, or anything else providing lots of energy from little mass) we might eventually want something fancy like VASIMR, but in the short run we'd probably just plug the reactor in to bigger or more ion drives.

  7. Re:Ion drive is cool, but... by MouseR · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sure the Ion drive is a really neat addition, but it's soooo slooooow. It's going to take them 15 MONTHS to get there!

    Actually, Ion propulsion is faster. It just has much less tork, if I may use the analogy.

    Unlike rocket propulsion, Ion propulsion has a constant push. Although is exerts a smaller force, it can accelerate for as long as there is fuel, and it uses very little of it.

    That's how they'll be able to send people on mars in a matter of months (last figures I had was 9 months) instead of more than a year (it was reported to be somewhere around 16-18 months using rocket propulsion).

    For a moon mission, though, speed isn't necessarily important, so they can afford the longer trip time to same money and augment the payload (instead of carrying all that fuel).

  8. ION engines not really valid for short missions. by Shivetya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While it is nice to see ION engines gain more momentum in the industry do they really have a place in short duration/distance missions?

    If its passed off a as a proof of concept it would make more sense but the article doesn't imply that.

    Considering the limited distance it would probably been more efficient to use an established propulsion system and get the scientific results sooner. Now, because of their choice any findings are unnecessarily delayed.

    On a high note, its good to see they are not replicating the work done by the previous NASA probe - seems scienctists are much better at getting along than their governments.

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  9. The engine isn't new, it's the way it's used is by GileadGreene · · Score: 5, Informative
    The probe uses a new solar electric propulsion system which converts solar energy its panels into motion via the expulsion of ions.

    Solar electric propulsion is hardly new. It's been used for getting communications satellites out to their final geosynchronous orbits for a number of years now, and NASA demonstrated using solar-powered ion engines for interplanetary primary propulsion on Deep Space 1 back in '98.

    What ESA is claiming is new about this mission is that they'll be combining ion propulsion with gravity assist maneuvers. AFAIK that hasn't really been done yet (although I know some guys at JPL who're working on it), and given how difficult it can be to work out low-thrust trajectories in the first place I would imagine that successfully throwing gravity assists into the mix would be a significant acheivement.

  10. A bit on ion propulsion by Unknown+Kadath · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The reason ion engines are a good thing is because they are so efficient. But they also have their share of problems.

    The figure of merit for rocket propulsion is specific impulse (Isp). It is a measure of unit thrust per unit mass of fuel consumed per unit time. Conventional (chemical) propulsion, such as solid rocket boosters, have an Isp in the 200 - 300 range. But they generate many many thousands of kilonewtons of thrust. That's why we use them for launching things out of gravity wells.

    Ion engines, on the other hand, have Isps from 2000 - 3500 (though the higher end of that range is only test-stand stuff right now). They, however, produce only millinewtons of thrust, and cannot be used for fast orbit transfers or launches. But they can be made small. Very, very small, with correspondingly small amounts of fuel, which is pure joy for aerospace engineers trying to design robotic missions.

    Unfortunately, they are also power-hungry little buggers. A single ion engine can use a kilowatt of power while running...and they must be running all the time to generate enough delta-v to have an effect on the course of a spacecraft. (Delta-v is the measurement of how much of a change in a velocity vector is necessary to effect the desired change in course, and mission designers begrudge every cm/s...every maneuver burns propellant, and there are no gas stations in space.) There are only two ways to get power in space right now: solar cells, and some form of nuclear decay. Only solar cells have a good enough power/mass ratio to run ion engines, and as missions proceed farther out from the Sun, array area must be bigger, which adds mass. It's a tricky balancing act.

    For this mission, however, the craft will always be close enough to the sun to generate the power it needs fairly easily. (Except when it's in shadow, but that's why we have storage batteries.)

    Ion propulsion is an old technology, incidentally. It's been around in some form or another since the 60's. It's only recently that it became economical, though.

    I could go on for pages, but I'm unconvinced anyone wants to see that. ;) I did my senior thesis on a solar electric propulsion Mars mission, and I find it to be far more interesting than most people seem to.

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  11. All been done before by amightywind · · Score: 5, Informative

    What exactly is innovative about this mission? It is the same mission as flown by Clementine years ago. Solar electric propulsion is commonplace. Here are some spacecraft that have flow them to date:

    • Boeing HS-602 HP satellites
    • Boeing HS-702 satellites
    • NASA's Deep Space 1
    • NASA's Stardust Mission (thrusted continuously for over a year!)
    • Genesis (?)

    I don't think this story is slashdot worthy.

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