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Windows 2003 takes 5% away from Linux

ZuperDee writes "According to Netcraft, the number of Windows 2003 servers has doubled since July, and 5% were running Linux before, which is consistent with the trends they've been observing for some time. This doesn't look good for Linux, in my opinion. Maybe we should all start to think about jumping ship?"

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  1. Re:Doh. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is probably possible that the only reason those 5% were using Linux in the first place was because there old version of windows didn't support the feature the needed properly, so they were forced to use Linux. Now that Windows 2003 got the features they switched back. Or perhaps it came with a hardware upgrade and they got it packaged. So they just replaced the linux system with the win2003. It is possible that that 5% may have believed Microsoft redirect about lower TCO. or It may hard to believe but there are some people who don't care what OS they are using just as long as it works.

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  2. Re:Doh. by Karamchand · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Certainly one can interpret - or at least phrase - it in many different ways. Some important questions:
    • What about those 5%? What did they dislike about Linux, why did they switch (back?) to Windows? - We need to get in touch with folks who switched from Linux to Windows and ask them these questions.
    • What about these other 95%? Why didn't they switch to Linux instead of switchting to the - probably much more expensive - Windows 2003? What features is Linux missing Windows 2003 can offer?
  3. Re:Doh. by Lord+Kholdan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps it's a time for Ask Slashdot: Why aren't you switching to Linux?

    Excellent chance to see what Linux is lacking and perhaps maybe even show few people that Linux has the options they think it lacks!

  4. Re:Doh. by zulux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually - I know exactly why.

    Curiosity. Microsoft is giving away demo CD's almost as freely as AOL does. So if you're remotly curious - you can just throw it on a non critical web server just to see what it's like.

    I bet that's what going on here - we're talking 'bout a few thousand servers that have Windows 2003 - and only a *few* of those were orgionally Linux.

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  5. Re:Doh. by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Certainly one can interpret - or at least phrase - it in many different ways. Some important questions:

    What about those 5%? What did they dislike about Linux, why did they switch (back?) to Windows? - We need to get in touch with folks who switched from Linux to Windows and ask them these questions.

    In our case, we switched our Samba servers over to Windows 2000 about 18 months ago because a new CIO was installed, and he commanded from the ivory tower that we would be all Microsoft within one year from his start date. No, we aren't using 2003--yet. But it seems conceivable to me that other companies are in similar situations... Their linux machines run great, like toy cars on Christmas morning, but somebody somewhere in authority gets a pitch from an MS salesman, and the next thing you know, bye-bye Samba and Apache, hello IIS and Windows 2003 file servers. (Ugh!)

    So in our case, it was an arbitrary decision by somebody higher up. We never had ANY problems with the Samba servers, but because he used to work at Microsoft (in Redmond, y'all!) it was done.

    Or perhaps they decided they wanted to re-write their whole web-site in ASP.net. I know a job I applied for recently was mine until we started talking about their web-site, and I recommended they not go ASP but implement their new site in HTML/PHP on apache using a low-cost database like mysql or postgres. As a one-man band, I would prefer to spend my time patching the parts of apache/php/mysql that need patched, rather than having to test and verify the twice per afternoon stuff that has been out from MS lately.
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  6. Re:Jump ship? by BJZQ8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a good idea where some of this Linux-shifting is coming from...I talked to some Microsoft salesmen, trying to sell me some financial software. They off-handedly asked me what I had for server software...Previously I had Novell Netware, which they didn't care much about. But the most recent time, I mentioned I ran Linux. They were very, very interested...and in fact offered me a $70,000 software "grant" if I would put in a Windows Server. I am not going to take the same road as my previous district (of which I was an underling, and not in charge)...which is now in the position of almost yearly forced upgrades from Microsoft, at a yearly licensing fee exceeding $50,000. They are caught in a swirling monetary vortex from which there is little or no escape...particularly so since their "consultants" keep pushing MS onto them with no remorse.

  7. Re:Jump ship? by Ensign+Nemo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Please write to the hardware manufacturers. Tell them you want Linux support and drivers. When I was building my machine my video card choices came down to NVidia GeForce4 and the Parhelia. At the time the Parhelia didn't have a linux driver so I went with the GeForce4 that did. I wrote both NVidia and Matrox explaining my choice, lack of linux driver on the parhelia side. I didn't hear back from NVidia but I did hear back from Matrox. They said the Linux drivers were on the way. A month later I saw them on their site. This was about a year ago.

    If the manufacturers don't know there's a market they're not going to both. I like to think I had a little affect in getting that Parhelia driver out
    Remember, the manufacturers are interested in one thing, money. If you have it and will spend it, they will come.

  8. Jump the linux ship, done that... by ducomputergeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now I will admit that I still have 2 Linux boxes I host client's web sites on, but most of my boxes now either run FreeBSD or OpenBSD and I have an iBook as my main computer.

    Why? It's been my humble opinion that Linux has been a bit of a bastard child. Is it a desktop OS, or a server OS? Its flexablity is its greatest strength and its achellies heel at the same time. With no standards between distros on simple things, like the path to PERL, can cause headaches for software developers. I once work on a project where we had to code three different versions of an app, one for RH, another for Mandrake, and one for Debian. After that expirance, I got fed up with the Linux Platform about the same time as Mac OS X.1 came out.

    FreeBSD was/is designed as a server OS first, and if you want to toy with it, it can also make an effective workstation. However this is where Mac OS comes into play: There are companies that are publishing commercial software for the platform. So I can interface wtih 90% of the web design/graphics world that use Photoshop, dreamweaver, QuarkXpress, and other such programs where as due to the pain in the ass Linux is to port across distros, commerical companies WON'T port their products. I will even admit to having MS Office, and I actully LIKE it on mac. It works wonderfully.

    While the OSS community has developed some kick ass apps, like the ERP module OSSuite (NOLA I think is the sourceforge project) is what I use to keep track of our business's accounting needs including payroll, W-2's, inventory, etc., there is still a vast void of software needs outthere. GIMP is certianly not a photoshop killer. Back in the days of PS 4 and 5, GIMP looked like it was on the track to possible create a much better product, but as now it seems as though GIMP has made very few improvements over the last two years and it still takes a lot more time and effort to get the same results as Photoshop. Photoshop 7 now blows GIMP away in my book.

    The two Linux servers I have still are Sun Cobalt Raq servers and I still use them because of the ease of maintance, but all my ecommerce sites are on FreeBSD machines and I have had very little problems with these boxes. Hell two are still running FreeBSD 3.4 and had uptimes of like 250 days until I patched OpenSSH and several other updates two weeks ago.

    RH and SuSE are getting closer to getting Linux from Geekdom to mainstream as SuSE is large in Europe. I used it when I studied over there for semester as the school had a windows lab and a linux lab, but that is mainly a result of GUI installers and KDE & GNOME.

    At our new business, I have FreeBSD on both of the terminals (we inheirted two PIII 700 Dells & 3 PIII 550 Gateway's when we bought the business) and instead of paying $2500 for four new computers, I slaped FreeBSD 5 with KDE on there, install mozilla and linked them to the office server which is configured as a local webserver with no outside pipeline and we use OsCommerce as our POS system.

    Now this article is a bit trollish about jumping ship. I stats and as Mark Twain wrote, "Lies, Damn Lies, and Stats". Approach with caution. OSS software is starting to get looked at, I work as a independant tech consultant, and Linux gets the press thanks to RH and SuSE providing what Linux needs to get into main stream: commericalization. There is a number you can call for support, if you need it.

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