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SGI Code Changes Not Enough, Says SCO

yeremein writes "According to this vnunet.com article, SCO's code changes Update: 10/04 20:51 GMT by T : (This should read "SGI's" rather than "SCO's.") removing arguably System-V-related code from SGI's Linux submissions is 'not enough.' According to Blake Stowell of SCO, 'Making minor amendments to its XFS file system doesn't cure the breach. SGI must do more as outlined [in the August letter] to cure all of their breaches.' But later on in the article, we learn what was outlined in the August letter: 'We don't believe that SGI has taken all of the steps necessary to cure all of the breaches, and in fact in our letter to them, we state "SGI's breaches of these agreements cannot be cured."' So SCO essentially told SGI, 'You're in violation of our contract and unless you remedy the violations, we'll pull your UNIX license. Oh, BTW, you can't remedy the violations.' This looks to me like the clearest example yet of how SCO is acting in bad faith." Read on below for another snippet of SCO strangeness.

An anonymous reader writes "As many are aware, SCO has sought (and got) a 4 month extension to its IBM lawsuit. According to the Salt Lake Tribune: 'SCO spokesman Blake Stowell said Tuesday that he understood the extension is being sought "for the purpose of gaining documents from IBM related to the patents they claim. . . . Some of the patents aren't even filed with the U.S. Patent Office, as far as we can learn."' I thought this was worth looking at, and quickly found that the patents in question are 4,814,746, 4,821,211, 4,953,209, and 5,805,785 - which can be found by typing in their numbers in this USPTO form."

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  1. SCO is holding out... by Distan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    SCO is willing to go for broke on this one. Removing the code is really irrelevant, because they want to collect on all the "back damages" they believe they are owed.

    If SGI put SCO code into Linux, and then individuals with no connection to SGI used that code, SCO wants to be able to hold them liable for past usage, even if the code was completely expunged from the current tree.

    Rational? It doesn't matter what we think. In the end, it will come down to an old man in a black robe.

    1. Re:SCO is holding out... by The+One+KEA · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the entire situation has reached the point of useless posturing, where no matter what the people who what the hell they're talking about, SCO will always have a glib answer that doesn't make any sense.

      Sooner or later they'll wither up and die, but not after their backers have milked it for all it's worth.

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  2. arbitrary idiocy by potpie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems that SCO is just trying to piss off the Open Source community. Breaches that can't be remedied? How exactly is this possible? Programs can be written hundreds of different ways. I think SCO is making up its rules as it goes along, much like a race I participated in during 5th grade. I clearly won, but my opponent then seated himself and said, "er... you have to sit down too, so I win!" That's no good.

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    Esoteric reference.
  3. easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just like you can own code you never wrote, bought or saw.

  4. For the lazy = No karma, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here are the USPTO links, for ease of consumption:

    US Patent 4,814746

    US Patent 4,821,211

    US Patent 4,953,209

    US Patent 5,805,785

  5. Oh, for God's Sake ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would someone please just break through SCO's firewall, "borrow" the System V code tree, run the comparisons, and publish them for all the world to see? Then we can quickly put this matter to rest and then move on to the inevitable next phase: "Sue the pants off SCO for integrating Linux code into UNIX while disobeying the GPL". *sigh*

  6. the real issue is material damage by budGibson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to this slashdot story appearing Thursday, the SCO code had already been put in the public domain by SCO. As such, it is hard to imagine what the material damage to SCO is. It seems hard to imagine that they could go after end-users with that.

    Now, that said, they might be able to construe a breach of contract with SGI out of it. What does SCO gain there? Well, one loss is certainly clear. They will no longer get the license revenue from SGI for IRIX. So, this might be a revenue trimming strategy.

    SCO is also pursuing this strategy with AIX. Ultimately, deligitimizing all of the commercial unixes might just push faster toward Linux adoption.

  7. Re:Time for a class action! by Jameth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is, it'd be a suit against SCO. The executives are gonna get off clean. SCO will just cease to be, and all the honest investors will get screwed.

    The only people who can make a class-action suit work are the investors who are getting screwed, and if they knew that, they wouldn't be getting screwed right now.

    That's why the legal system needs to change in regards to corporations.

  8. The only Real Remedy... by blcamp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...Is for the rest of the industry to go Class Action on these bastards.

    It's clear that these people want to destroy *nix, destroy the GPL, the Open Source community... the whole concept of Intellectual Property altogether. Not to mention (but I will) that they don't intend to stop until rob all monetary value of any software and/or services derived therefrom.

    It's war. SCO declared it, and is actively on the attack. They intend to vanquish their enemies... us. To win this war, you defeat them, crush them... DESTROY them.

    IBM, SGI and the rest of SCO's declared enemies should join forces and take these people down... and crush them so badly that noone else should ever even THINK of pulling this nonsense again.

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    The problem with socialism is that they always run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher
  9. Re:hold on by Trepalium · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because, like most companies (and individuals), SGI doesn't like being involved with lawsuits unless it has no other choice. They're damaging financially and publicly, even if you win. SGI is also proving that they're willing to try to remedy any "harm" that has come to SCO before going to court for it. SGI can show that they tried to fix it, but can't really be faulted if SCO is foaming at the mouth and cannot be reasoned with.

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    I used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead.
  10. The offical Full-Of-Crap-O-Meter by jimmars83 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Results for google search:

    "linux is full of crap".......... 0 hits
    "apple is full of crap"......... 0 hits
    "microsoft is full of crap".... 9 hits
    "toilet is full of crap".......... 2 hits
    "SCO is full of crap".......... 92 hits!

    So it's official, SCO is 46 times more full of crap crap than a toilets are.