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Psion Is Back :-), With Windows :-(
An anonymous reader writes "Forbes has an article about the come back of Psion in the high end PDA market. Psion's OS, Symbian, that used to power their PDA (as the Revo for example, or the Series 3, or the Series 5), has been mostly used in cell phones lately, like the Nokia 3650. According to Forbes's article, the new Psion laptop/PDA, the Netbook Pro, will not be powered by Symbian OS, but by Microsoft CE.Net."
prostoalex points out a ZDNet review of the device, "which is smaller than your usual notebook PC, but larger than a regular PDA. The product Web site contains specifications in PDF format. It's an Intel Xscale PXA255 400MHz, 128MB SDRAM and 32MB Flash, SVGA (800x600) device supporting CompactFlash and Secure Digital (usual for PDAs) as well as PCMCIA (usual for laptops)," and notes that despite the OS, "the specs list the presence of JEM-CE Java Virtual Machine."
Slashdot users see how lame it is :-(
They purchaced Be source they might as well put the work done by BeOS-IA to good use. It would run great on a 400mhz processor.
This PDA needs an OS transplant!
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With something that close to a PC, I'd rather be using Windows anyway. There's no point in creating compatibility issues for myself just to be able to say I screwed Microsoft. With cell phones syncing isn't an issue, so go ahead and have that market.
Without even using the thing, they just see "windows" and automatically go :-(
At least let it show what it has to offer before you automatically go "well, I'll NEVER use that peice of shitty windoze-crap!" Sheesh...
the price is over $1500, I'd rather buy a fully functional laptop for that price. /overpriced
Have you seen the size of the device?
IMHO, those big-sized PDA's have not and will not be successful because they are too big to be as convienient as a palm-sized PDA but too small to be enjoy the benefits of a notebook.
So, in the end, it doesn't matter which OS it'll use... people won't like it and won't buy it.
Of course, it would have been nicer if their choice was Linux. OTOH my current Linux PDA (Zaurus) can't really be sync-ed with my Linux Desktop (unless i downgrade my ROM or use OpenZaurus, which is a mess in itself), whereas a WinCE one can ...
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From the ZDNet article:
"If you're thinking of buying a NetBook Pro to replace your notebook, note that Psion has no intention of directly supporting individual consumers at this stage."
And even if it were at $1500 US there are better options.
I suppose you need to add a couple more ":-(" in your title.
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Now there's an oxymoron...
The Fujitsu P1000 is lighter, smaller in all dimensions, has a larger screen, higher resulution, twice the memory, significantly more storage space (hard drive instead of 32mb flash), comparable battery life, also a touch screen, and it's even cheaper to boot too. Oh, and it runs Windows 2000 or XP instead of CE.NET, or potentially your alternative OS of choice if you spend enough effort in it.
There were many great things about Psion palmtops - their clamshell formfactors with actual usable keyboards, their lightweight power requirements (several days on a charge), and yes, their OS. The netBook/Series 7 really never did much for me - it was basically laptop sized, still ran EPOC/Symbian OS so it could (more or less) only run simple PDA style apps, and was, like this machine, expensive. I don't see why new Psion this is an improvement. I loved my Revo+, but it always seemed like Psion didn't know what they wanted their product to be or who their audience was. They killed their own products through simple lack of development.
This is prolly a dumb question, but why can't it run Linux? Can't you buy it and load Linux on it? It *does* hook up to a PC, after all. *shrug* Just my dumb question of the day...
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I'd like to hear how useful most people find the more 'advanced' features in high end PDAs.
For me a PDA is does its job well as a electronic todo-list, calandar and address-book. Any lowend PDA has all of the features. So, is it really worth it pay the extra cash for a highend model?
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Why is it sad that it is with windows? Most people use windows, and can do more with windows, so it is obviously the most powerful choice. The average person can acomplish more in less time in front of a windows machine. Windows is, to most people, the "full computer." (of course, I am not in this majorioty, but slashdot cannot ignore it)
The Netbook! It is, and always was, TOO BLOODY BIG.
I wish they would continue developing the Psion Series 5 line, which has the best small keyboard ever made. I'm being very careful with my last surviving 5mx, but nothing lasts forever.
I was really impressed by Epoc32 at the time (mid 1990s?) but I'd buy an updated Series 5 running anything - Linux, Symbian Quartz, MS Pocket PC - whatever. Just so long as they kept the keyboard. And fixed the stylus retainer!
The company says it will sell the Netbook for a list price of about $1,500, which is comparable to that of a notebook PC. But it argues that the cost of owning a notebook over its lifetime, including the purchase price, software upgrades, maintenance and repair, can average out to $8,000 per unit, versus an estimated $2,000 per unit for a Netbook Pro unit. And while we're familiar with how notebook PCs get abused and damaged in the course of routine use, that figure seems a bit high by our reckoning.
If you believe this company's RIAA style math, their Psion is only 1/4 the cost of a regular notebook. I guess they might be able to convince a few PHBs with that argument. The only advantage I see to this over a laptop is it would be easier to use on an airplane.
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I'm thinking you can view this as either a mini-laptop with mobile or a super-PDA.
As a mini-laptop, I'd start just below entry level for a new laptop, and add the value of wireless. New laptops start in the $600-700 range, so we'll say 550 plus $100 for wireless is $650.
As a super-PDA, you might be able to justify it as a step up from a Sharp SL-C7xx series, which would take you into the $800-900 range.
Either way, it seems overpriced to me.
Jon Acheson
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A Psion running CE, that really is a fate worse than death.
I'm asking, actually curious if anyone has any insight.
I mean, it has an embedded processor, little memory, a small low-res screen, likely no graphic chip, no hard drive, smaller battery, etc. Every component is cheaper than what you'd find in the cheapest consumer notebook. And they aren't supporting consumers, so that cost is reduced.
My guess is that the R&D came mostly from a cheap/freely licenseable reference board.
Is this simply a function of economies of scale, the fact that their target audience is price insensitive or has few other options, or is there something else at play that I'm not seeing?
Jonathan
I really respected Psion. They made usable PDAs long before the Palm computer was released. They came with a usable keyboard, yet had a small size to fit in a pocket. With long battery life.
I loved my Revo. It was small and had a great look. With a real keyboard. And the built in symbian OS and applications were great.
And now this! Too big for a PDA, and runs Windos for crissake! They have gone from innovative unique products to this totally uninteresting yet another WinThing. Bleh!
I just wonder what I shall replace my Revo with. It must have a good keyboard, yet fit in the pocket. Long batery life and some kind of built in networking. (Does WLAN kill batteries? Do I want bluetooth?) NO WINDOWS. Maybe a Zaurus 760? When are they released outside of Japan?
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We use a rugged Psion Handheld with an RFID reader to identify livestock electronically (approx 50 sets) as seen here http://www.insight.com/uk/apps/productpresentation /index.php?product_id=PSIMX2MB.
It couldn't possibly be a less reliable piece of shit. Memory cards randomly stop responding, it thinks its batteries are too low to operate even when fresh. Devices attached to it such as the RFID reader stop responding randomly.
I've had one get hot enough be uncomfortable to your hand but not hot enough to burn (it stopped working of course) and others just stop working all together. They are rated for a 1 meter drop on concrete and we had one stop working after a 2 foot drop off of a chair onto carpet and die.
I guess the only thing worse than these Handhelds is the RFID reader manufactured by a different company, Hotraco, that misread often if they bother to read at all. We have gone through a few dozen failed units and had to mail the rest to the factory for an internal wiring weakness repair as an oversight from the factory.
Anyway.. I guess all I'm getting as is you'll never see me buy a Psion PDA. At least my Psion Goldcard works well!
Firstly, at least Psion acknowledge that the PDA form factor is a dead end, with increasingly powerful phone platforms making it irrelevant to the modern market.
However I do think that it's odd that they've decided to differentiate their new offering by aiming at a 'laptop-lite' kind of product. It's like something from five years ago. The price just seems far too high, especially compared to Sony offerings in the sub-notebook and PDA+keyboard markets (which are expensive in themselves).
The decision to use WinCE is just stupid, doubly so for a company involved in Symbian.
Also no Bluetooth, WiFi or ethernet port built in. Erk.
At a fraction of the price, a little less bulky and with Symbian and it might be interesting.
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Lets make them switch back to Linux with a boycott!
People don't exist to serve systems, systems exist to serve people.
Not the more expensive Pdas .
We need a pda that cost around $70 dollars.
A replacement for graphing calculators would be nice.
The LCD screen is what i am guessing is causing the prices to still be up there.
Did /. hire an MBA or something? :) What next:
From the Yuppie Times here's an article about using Linux to manage a B&B in the Hamptons. Why I just saw the Hilton sisters the other night and well....
A long long time ago, PDA's didn't have built-in cameras, or tiny keyboards, and wireless computing was holding the infrared port of your PDA an inch close to that of your cellphone, not Wi-Fi.
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Can you remember? It was back when the hi-tech Palm to have was the Palm V but Palm IIIs were really the more affordable ones, it was also the height of the war between Palm and Psion. I decided I needed a PDA (I later found out I'm not rich and don't have the need, so I still don't have a PDA), and sampled each of the two big flavas (ooh), i.e. fold-out with keyboard and palm-likes, and found the fold-out kind to be vastly superior to the other, simply because input was made easier by the keyboard.
Even if you know Graffiti, it's a long way to input things. You have to make a movement with your pen. So you can use the virtual keyboard, which eats up half of your screen, but you can only touch one key then move to the other. But then when I used the fold-out PDAs (my preference wasn't towards a Psion but a clone by Ericsson), holding it with both hands in front of me walking on the street, I could type with both thumbs. All things considered, since a keyboard layout is extremely familiar, and since I had two input sticks (my thumbs) instead of only one on the palm, I quickly achieved a much faster input speed, with a bigger screen... I loved it.
Of course it depends on what you use it for. My use for PDA's was to jolt down ideas, so my emphasis was on what I could use to type in a lot of words. If you use it for scheduling, the palm-type might be better. Either way, Psion went out of business shortly thereafter and I always regretted their smart little devices. I know there have been others since then that have used the same basic layout (actually if I had to pick a device I'd probably pick a Hiptop), but my point is that I've always been nostalgic about Psion and it's good to see them back, even with Win installed.
I'm sure we'll see a NetBSD port before the week-end is over anyway, right?
Please sign this online petition if you'd like to see the netBook Pro running EPOC/Symbian OS. I doubt it'll have any immediate effect, but by indicating people's interest in the platform, it may yet do some longer-term good.
I mourn the loss of Psion as was... while Symbian may have kept the core OS alive and in demand, that's no good to us if it's not being employed (or even promoted) in a form factor which can demonstrate its strengths. :(
It's a credit to Psion that, for all its screen problems, the 5mx is still an amazing bit of kit - still my machine of choice, to which nothing else comes close. I just wish that they'd recognise that achievement and cultivate it. If only they'd not chickened out of the market; a little marketing and promotion would have done wonders. [fx: sigh]
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it was too expensive when it was running EPOC..
amd it's way, way overpriced now that it's running CE..
imagining the Beowulf of those :-(
I forgot to mention this in the parent post.
If like me you're from the UK or Europe then you can get one from ShirtPocket for a whopping GBP 565!
There's an aspect of this whole Psion giving up on the Series 5 that I've never seen reported anywhere, but which has deep personal relevance to me and countless others. It sounds odd to say it, but Psion computers changed my life in a very real way, and now they're not making them my life is going to get a lot worse.
I'm dyslexic (learning disabled to North Americans). I find it very difficult to write by hand and am unable to take notes effectively except by keyboard. Right now I'm a PhD student at the University of Cambridge but, if I handn't had access to a computer, I'd never have been able to finish high school.
I used to carry a full sized notebook, but these computers have many problems including lack of portability, inadiquate battery life, and the fact that they're just to big to sit on those little note taking tablets they have in university classrooms. There are countless daily tasks I couldn't acomplish on such a low-portability, slowly deploying system.
But Psion S5 computers are differnt. They are small, they are light enough to be carried everywhere. They take AA batteries that can be easily replaced on the fly and come in several convenient rechargable formats. They're instant on, so they can be used just like a non-disabled person would use a peice of paper. But most importantly, they have a full touch type keyboard. No other comptuer of its size now has a keyboard that can be used for touchtyping.
It is that last factor that makes these machines so useful to people with writing problems. Without these computers I am too disabled to do my job. With them I am able to fulfill my potential in my chosen field. Taking them away from me is like breaking the hands of a pianist.
The frustrating thing is that I can see such a ready market for these little machines. Everywhere around me are classrooms full of students writing away on paper when they would much rather be writing on a computer. I even see students perched awkwardly near ill placed power outlets, or sitting on the floor so that they can use their full sized notebook computers. How many of them would pay for a small touch-type computer if it were aimed at the student market? I'd be willing to bet a lot of them. Perhaps even the majority.
But small computer have always been aimed at executives, and executives don't need them, because executives have offices and secretaries and such. As a result of this misdirection in the PDA market, thousands and thousands of disabled people are being robbed of their potential and their future. I don't know what I'll do when I can't get any more Psion S5 machines. They don't last forever. I'm beginning to suspect my status as a non-disabled person won't last forever either.
You see a nice toy that never really sold well. I see a big part of my future disapearing.
- NG
So, what have we here? Take a Psion. Remove the Symbian software. Remove the pocketability. What's left is... well, maybe someone else will be interested. {sigh}
Meanwhile, as my current Revo is starting to click and wiggle when I open/close it, I'm contemplating buying a Nokia 9290 phone(!) to replace it.
Yeah, fuck every PDA and cellphone using Microsoft Windows CE or Microsoft mobile platform. Imo.
They already earn too much on their regular monoply, why should we let them take over yet another market???
Repeat after me: From this day forward, I hereby swear not to buy any handheld device using an operating system written by Microsoft, until there are no other options left.
Actually, I can't find words to describe how much I loathe that vermin of a software producing company.
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You should have your lower horn removed.
I won't be using one. Psion, once an innovative company, is now an irrelevant M$ cloner, doomed to continually decreasing margins, while any profits from their products increasingly go Bill Gates' way.
You'd have thought they would have learned from the mobile phone industry and realise why that industry is loathe to touch MS witrh a barge pole.
...3 times better. Rather sad. I still have a working Psion II, streets ahead in its day. But Psion lost their way long ago. I didn't even make fun of my friend who bought a Netbook. There was no challenge in ridiculing such an easy target.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
.... I want PDA + Cellphone + MP3 player. And a $1500 PDA?? Now who would want that??
The recent Sony Vaios have gotten fat. My 2 year old PCG-C1VPK (666MHz Crusoe, 192M w/ WinXP) weighs in at 2.2 pounds with the standard battery. Nothing on the market today even comes close.
That Psion would release a "super PDA" that can't run off-the-shelf software that is bigger and heavier than my full-on XP Vaio laptop is pretty sad.
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But the Psion has a keyboard... and that just pisses over the usability of them...
I've owned various Psions over the years and I can still count the crashes on one hand.
I'm going to miss it.
Great graphing calculators with the correct software, nonetheless! There is an emulator for graphics calculators, but why bother when you could have PERL or PYTHON or GCC or a X Server/Framebuffer...the programability is endless, but the space is limited!
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The Psion Netbook was way ahead of it's time when it came out. 10hrs. + battery time under full load, 640 by 480 color display, fully Java compliant, built in Webbrowser, built in IDE for C/C++, Java and the Epoc PL (name?), word processor, spreadsheet and so on. It walked all over any other PDA and Notebook back then. It was exceptionally expensive, but it ruled. :-)
It's a shame they waste such a well balanced system that's custom built to fit the Epoc OS on WinCE.
The bright side: The last stashes of old Netbooks may get cheaper now.
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The /. article, that is.
If you read, it says its not really for sale; this is more of a technology demonstration.
And $1500? I think the Sony UX50 was silly at $700. This takes the cake.
"You buy stuff like this for a specific reason"
I agree. Its one or both of the following reasons:
1) You have too much money
2) You are stupid.
M$ has a it's propaganda at microsoft.com and a thousand other websites, not to mention so called "educational" institutions. I for one am glad /. offsets by a tiny amount
those bigoted mouthpieces.
Was I the only one to read this wrong in a first glance and wonder if MS was starting to take the old 'Windows CE-Me-NT' version seriously?
I wonder how CE.Net compares to CEMeNT?
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Ok, little rant.
Psion made very nice machines for their day, they were very usable and I could transfer files even with my old Amiga. I liked the little machine. It had a great battery life and other awfully useful features. Even some quite usable software for it's day (compared to today). I vividly remember it to use to take notes during my high school and then embellish them on my Amiga so they could be made readable. The Calendar grew to something like 400 KB in the end (don't laugh, this was huge back then), but it helped me to get along.
Later on came the PalmIII (a true organizer), a PalmIIIc (I needed a color gadget), and now a Sharp Zaurus 5500 (runs Linux, runs some nice software, has Wlan and and and). The Palm had the best text input using Graffiti, the Zaurus version of Graffiti isn't as good (but actually, I'm redoing it since I positively think we need a full set of Graffiti characters since this makes jotting down notes much easier). The apps on a Zaurus are usually quite much what I need, except maybe in the games area, but then I'm not too much of a gamer.
Now comes the C-760. A small keyboard (I'll have to testdrive one to see how usable it really is), very nice screen, you can use it as a tablet PC and ontop of it, most Zaurus apps that run with Opie should be a compile away, if they don't run straight away. Life might become interesting in the PDA sector again, with some really usable PDA that doesn't run on WinCE. I think XEmacs will still be a bit much for this thing, but it might turn out to run after all.
OMG! This has the potential to be a fad worse than all of those mastercard priceless parodies. I'm awaiting the mass hysteria. I believe in that more than I believe in the new psion.
Apple built a platform for their ideas, Google built one for everyone's.
...larger than a pda?
Sounds like a roll of toilet paper.
Too bad TP already has the market covered.
It might be useful. The on board Zaurus software is just deadful.
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
...is thousands of Psion users gnashing their teeth in frustration. Of all the changes Psion could have made to revive their fortunes as a maker of PDA-type computers, this is quite possibly the most stupid. Their EPOC operating system and the software that came with it was, in my opinion, the best part of the Psion computers I've used (series 3c, 3mx, 5 and 5mx).
Over the last six years, I've owned five Psions, two of which I bought as spares after I found out Psion were going to stop making them. (From other comments here, I see I'm not alone in doing this. That should give Psion some clue how loyal their users are - or were.) I'm still using the 5mx, mainly for writing the novels that I'm plugging in my .sig.
In all the time I've been using Psions, I've had precisely two crashes that caused me to lose data. That makes EPOC by far the most stable system I've ever used. (I should say that I use the built-in applications almost exclusively, so I don't know how easy or hard it would be for a third-party program to mess things up.)
The hardware side is another matter altogether. My first Psion, a 3c, lasted about 15 months before the screen gave out, losing about half the columns. (It was second-hand, admittedly, so I don't know how much abuse it had had previously.) The next one, a new Series 5, managed 18 months before one of the bits of metal that holds everything together when you open it popped out of place. Not wanting to be bitten again, I took out a 3-year warranty on the 5mx that I bought after that. Sure enough, after about 2 years, the touch screen stopped working. By this time, Psion had stopped manufacture, so while I was waiting for the 5mx to be repaired, I bought not one, but two second-hand Series 5s.
So, after all that, it shouldn't surprise you to hear that the government would have to make pen and paper illegal before I'd use a PDA with a Microsoft OS on it.
Just another wannabe fantasy novelist...
with zealotism :-(
Psion lost the plot when they started making machines (hello, Series 7) that were too big to slip into a pocket. They rather lost their USP - a small machine that you can touch-type on - after that, so it's little wonder that they started drowning. Another great British success story...
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Was the best PDA I have ever owned much better than the POS WinCE 1.0 unit it replaced. Good battery life, great gui for a handheld something CE never had, good keyboard, what else can one ask for, it can still do things that the newer PDA's cannot do. The only thing I could tell it was lacking was reasonable internet connectivity, ie you needed an external modem or IR cellphone but that was undeniable cool but not practical. If they built those today with color screens, WiFi, more memory, and a faster processor they would have a killer product. As it stands really the only real PDA type machines are PocketPC or CE or what ever MS is calling it this week.
Wow that is amazing because I had owned one also and also am dyslexic in the same manner and definitely cannot really read my own handwriting. It was the greatest thing ever because I could always pull it out and have access to what I was working on immediately, could access all my calendars, and I was able to go from getting C's to becoming an A student. Now that it is gone and I am in University I have to use a laptop which for the most part works well but it is still not as convenient and I still use my Psion to record laboratory data but I cannot sync any data to Mac OS X so it has become effectively useless.
So like you I mourn the loss of such an elegant machine that had meant so much to me personally honestly I think it is a market still worth pursuing if they could make a series 5 like machine the size of a pocketpc with the keyboard that would do well in a lot of markets. I know I bought one and I am in the USA so I had to get it through one of three retailers and I paid like $600 for it so I am sure there are others like me, who would count that as the best money they have ever spent.
But since Psion is no more we probably could look to Apple because they have an interest in education and could make such a device.
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very cool, a new magazine JUST for Symbian OS...since there are significantly more Symbian licencees than PocketPC Smartphone Edition licencees (according Canalys, the majority of mobile devices in the EMEA market now use the Symbian OS and there'll be plenty of content because the OS is unusual and interesting. It will be interesting too to see how the magazine shapes up and tackles the challenge to Symbian OS from Windows CE .NET which seems to be gaining ground.
But people know what WinCE has to offer, and they already know whether they like it or not. Plus, more importantly, people know what the EPOC/Symbian OS Ohas/had to offer. There are bound to be people out there who prefered Psion's way of doing things to WinCE - or even PalmOS.
Chances are that even if Psion had come back with something running PalmOS then people would bitch. Or Sony releasing a Clie using WinCE instead of PalmOS.
People tend to have their favourite hardware/software combos, and bringing back an "old friend" but with a "new face" is always going to get people's backs up. But in this case the "new face" is somehting that many people already have their own opinions about.
And many of those opinions are liekly to be through prioer experience of WinCE, not just the normal (but sometimes justified) anti-Microsoft vitriol.
Tiggs
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I recently purchased a 3650 and I must say it is one of the most flexible OSs around. The ability to add-in the few missing features complements the OS beautifully.
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