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Nobel Prize for Medicine For MRI

andy1307 writes "American Paul C. Lauterbur and Briton Sir Peter Mansfield have won the Nobel prize for medicine for discoveries leading to MRI. Worldwide, more than 60 million investigations with MRI are performed each year, and the technique is ``a breakthrough in medical diagnostics and research,'' the Assembly said. The work was done on the 1970s. Lauterbur is at the Biomedical Magnetic Resonance Laboratory at the University of Illinois in Urbana and Mansfield is at the University of Nottingham in Britain. "

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  1. Finally! by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Finally! That's good. He had considerable opposition when he was developing the technology. Nuclear magnetic resonance didn't seem a good technology to make into a scanning system. His department chair cut off his funding at one point.

    1. Re:Finally! by Faust7 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nuclear magnetic resonance didn't seem a good technology to make into a scanning system.

      I doubt that was it. Edward Purcell and Felix Bloch pioneered NMR spectroscopy back in 1946 -- and they won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1952.

    2. Re:Finally! by lcde · · Score: 3, Informative

      I work researching and designing resonators for Electron Paramagnetic Resonance and the technology that has come from this is quite amazing. At the University of Chicago they are developing a way to image cancer cells using EPR. EPR is very sensitive to oxygen and in cancerous cells there is less flow of oxygen. This allows EPR to pick up dead spots where the cancer is.

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    3. Re:Finally! by 'nother+poster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't use the "N" word. It scares people. It's just MRI, got it. ;)

    4. Re:Finally! by BWJones · · Score: 4, Informative

      EPR is very sensitive to oxygen and in cancerous cells there is less flow of oxygen.

      While I am a physiologist by training, I am not an oncologist. However, that said, I should probably clarify your statement. Many forms of cancer are rapidly growing cell populations and therefore have high metabolic rates and therefore high oxygen utilization. Technically in these cells there is greater "flux" of oxygen through these cells but as they are imaged, they might appear to have lower levels of oxygen at any one instant due to their high metabolic usage.

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    5. Re:Finally! by VCAGuy · · Score: 4, Informative
      considerable opposition???

      As the history books record, they were both dismissed as nutcases; when they did the first NMR scan of a brain, they were told that they had fabricated it. It's like Fred Smith of FedEx--his graduate paper on a hub-based air transportation system for packages was given a "C" by his professor (as good as an "F"), yet his idea "took off" (and in a very real way) just a few short years later.

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    6. Re:Finally! by cybercuzco · · Score: 1

      Interesting footnote: They decided to call it MRI instead of NMRI because nobody wanted to subject their body to anything with "Nuclear" in the name. People thoght that they would die of radiaton or come out with three heads.

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    7. Re:Finally! by calidoscope · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Bloembergen(sp?), Pound and Purcell paper published in 1948 anticipated imaging. The main thrust of the paper was NMR relaxation, which provides much of the contrast in imaging. The paper mentioned that some of the signal effects were localized to specific regions in the sample (the magnet they were using had really rotten homogeneity compared to modern NMR magnets).

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    8. Re:Finally! by the+gnat · · Score: 1

      The biophysical application of the same technology, however, is still called "NMR spectroscopy". The different naming conventions are actually useful in separating the techniques, which have entirely different purposes.

    9. Re:Finally! by xanthines-R-yummy · · Score: 0
      One obstacle, is that the average patient doesn't want to be in a big tube named the NUCLEAR magnetic resonance machine, or NMR as it were. It's only nuclear in that it examines the wobble in the nucleus of atoms, due to the magnetic field (sorry for the quick and dirty version).

      They changed the name it to Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) because no one is afraid of magnets!

    10. Re:Finally! by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 1

      I'm niether a physiologist nor and oncologist, but as a tumor gets larger doesn't the interior tend to have restricted blood flow and as a result less nutrient/oxygen access and then die off? Perhaps the EPR technique requires a certain minimum size.

    11. Re:Finally! by tigersaw · · Score: 1

      yes, as a tumor grows beyond a certain diameter, the blood supply can no longer reach the center, which becomes the necrotic core. Since these central cells are dead, they'll have low O2 flux. But the outer shell of the tumor can heavily recruit new blood vessel formation to feed its insatiable growth, yielding a high O2 flux. Seems like the high dO2/dx could be detected easily by this EPR technique.

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  2. Re:Old News by wawannem · · Score: 1, Funny

    Subscribers can beat the rush and see it early

    :)

  3. Explanation by Karamchand · · Score: 4, Informative

    For all us laymen who don't know what MRI means: Google Glossary Search knows more!

    1. Re:Explanation by c_oflynn · · Score: 1

      Or you could, um, read the article.

      Oh wait, that would just be crazy.

      "Magnetic resonance imaging, or MRI, has become a routine method for medical diagnosis and treatment. It is used to examine almost all organs without need for surgery, but is especially valuable for detailed examination of the brain and spinal cord."

    2. Re:Explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, the article mentions it as well. But in my opinion this short explanation should have gone into the slashdot story so readers can decide whether it's interesting for them before reading another paragraph again.

    3. Re:Explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any idea on how Google decides if something is a glossary entry or not?

    4. Re:Explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but if you search for "MRI candle truck" you don't find anything.

  4. exaggeration by ih8apple · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the article:
    "There are very few people around now that haven't been in an MRI machine these days..."

    Does this guy really think that everyone in the world is very ill and requires the depth of testing of an MRI? (Maybe he's just really old and all his peers have been through MRI's...)

    1. Re:exaggeration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      He had considerable opposition when he was developing the technology. Nuclear magnetic resonance didn't seem a good technology to make into a scanning system. His department chair cut off his funding at one point.

    2. Re:exaggeration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      really old and well-to-do.... try getting an MRI if you are uninsured or on an HMO plan.

    3. Re:exaggeration by BWJones · · Score: 2, Informative

      Does this guy really think that everyone in the world is very ill and requires the depth of testing of an MRI? (Maybe he's just really old and all his peers have been through MRI's...)

      Shoot, at one of the companies I am involved with, our MRI get lots of use from young, healthy folks who have injured themselves playing sports, hiking, biking etc.... MRI provides great visual access to bones and joints that previously was impossible without surgery.

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    4. Re:exaggeration by Carbonite · · Score: 1

      I don't think the parent was implying that MRIs are only for old or sick people. He was pointing out that while MRI was a breakhthrough in medical technology, it's not quite accurate to say "There are very few people around now that haven't been in an MRI machine these days..." I think it's safe to assume that far fewer than 60 million people undergo an MRI each year. This is likely a case where a few percent of people undergo MRI frequently while the majority of the population have no need.

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    5. Re:exaggeration by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thanks to the insane lawsuit culture in the US, people get MRI's for just about anything. Complain to a doctor about a heachache, ear pain or something similar and a referral for an MRI will be right behind the amoxicillin prescription.

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    6. Re:exaggeration by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 1

      > Does this guy really think that everyone in the world is very ill

      The MRI, like the X-ray, is not reserved for very ill people.

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    7. Re:exaggeration by jridley · · Score: 1

      No kidding. None of my family have been in one. I'd be very surprised if > 50% of randomly choosen people had been in one. This is a far cry from "very few." (FWIW, I live in the U.S.)

    8. Re:exaggeration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Complain to a doctor about a heachache, ear pain or something similar and a referral for an MRI will be right behind the amoxicillin prescription.

      I am marketing a new wonder-drug called "Placebocillin". It is just as effective as amoxicillin for treatment of viral infections (which it seems amoxicillin is prescribed most often). Plus it cost next to nothing to manufacture (main ingredient C6H12O6).

    9. Re:exaggeration by tgibbs · · Score: 1
      Does this guy really think that everyone in the world is very ill and requires the depth of testing of an MRI? (Maybe he's just really old and all his peers have been through MRI's...)
      Or maybe he has a better doctor than you do. MRI's are used widely these days, since they provide the only good visualization of soft tissue. For example, if you have any kind of joint injury or pain, you are likely to be sent for an MRI.
    10. Re:exaggeration by CGP314 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, no kidding. What about all the people in China, India, and Africa? You know, most of the planet?

    11. Re:exaggeration by barakn · · Score: 1
      Better Doctor != Doctor willing to perform expensive procedures at the drop of a hat

      I take two aspirin and skip the doctor.

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    12. Re:exaggeration by madcow_ucsb · · Score: 1

      Sometimes it's the opposite problem. My mom (who'd already had knee surgery on one leg) suddenly had the other start hurting like hell. She went to the doctor who refused to do anything but prescribe ibuprofin, despite the fact that she'd been doing that for 2 weeks without improvement and she said that it felt exactly like the other one before it needed surgery.

      Eventually (probably with threats of bodily harm...) she got him to give her an MRI. Sure enough, exact same problem as the other knee and it needs surgery pretty soon (some tendon thing I think).

      So sometimes better doctor != one who kicks you out with a couple asprin when you know something's wrong.

    13. Re:exaggeration by bluGill · · Score: 1

      If MRI wasn't so expensive I'd call this a good thing. Got a problem that seems miner, go through a harmless [1] procedure just in case it detects something serious. Ideally MRI machines would be dirt cheap, and comptuers could analise the system enough to say "Not a problem, Problem, or Potential problem", for most people the results are stored so that if latter there is a need the experts looking at a problem can see what is "normal" for you.

      Because the machines are so expensive, giving someone an MRI for nothing isn't worth it. If you could have the Nurse give everyone a MRI (and several other simple, quick, and harmless diagnostics) before seeing the doctor general heath would be imporved, if only for 3 people total who have an undected problem.

      [1] Of course X-Rays were considered harmless for many years... I have no idea how harmless MRI really is.

    14. Re:exaggeration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sugar? Bah!

      I'm developing one called Boozebocillin, it's also only just as effective as your or antibiotics for threating the actual infection, but damn it'll make you feel MUCH better!

      Main ingredient c2h5oh. Lots of it.

    15. Re:exaggeration by shut_up_man · · Score: 1

      Knees are where MRIs are really, really useful.

      I injured my left knee about seven years ago, and had to have an arthroscopy to have them check everything out. This involves slipping a thin wire-like camera inside the knee and taking a look at the damage inside. The process involved a day in hospital, general anaesthetic, and several weeks of knee soreness before I was able to walk about freely.

      About five years ago, I hurt my OTHER knee. MRI tech was available, so to check things out, I had to lie very still in a machine that looked like a huge washing machine... for about 45 minutes. No surgery, no anaesthesia, no hobbling about for weeks. The MRI even produced an cool-looking "slice by slice" view of the soft structures in my knee.

      It's a hugely improved process. Good on them.

    16. Re:exaggeration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly.

      the nobel prize should go to people who help real people with real medical problems.

      not someone who helps rich people with minor joint aches.

  5. No need to register, here's the text! by scumbucket · · Score: 4, Informative

    American and Briton Win Nobel for Medicine
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) -- American Paul C. Lauterbur and Briton Sir Peter Mansfield won the 2003 Nobel Prize for medicine Monday for discoveries leading to the development of MRI, now relied on by doctors for getting a detailed look into their patients' bodies.

    Magnetic resonance imaging, or MRI, has become a routine method for medical diagnosis and treatment. It is used to examine almost all organs without need for surgery, but is especially valuable for detailed examination of the brain and spinal cord.

    MRI can reveal whether lower back pain is is due to pressure on a nerve or spinal cord, for example. It can give surgeons a roadmap for operations, revealing the limits of a tumor. And since MRI itself does not require physically entering the body, it can replace some procedures that patients find uncomfortable.

    Worldwide, more than 60 million investigations with MRI are performed each year, and the technique is ``a breakthrough in medical diagnostics and research,'' the Assembly said.

    Monday's prize honors pioneering work done in the 1970s that laid the groundwork for making MRI a useful method, the assembly said.

    Lauterbur, 74, discovered the possibility of creating a two-dimensional picture by producing variations in a magnetic field. He did the work at the State University of New York at Stony Brook, but is now at the Biomedical Magnetic Resonance Laboratory at the University of Illinois in Urbana.

    ``I'm surprised and very gratified,'' Lauterbur said when contacted at his home early Monday. ``In particular, I believe, I think the work has been helpful to many people, and I'm happy that has been acknowledged by the Swedish academy.''

    Mansfield, 69, showed how the signals the body emits during an MRI exam could be rapidly analyzed and transformed into an image. Mansfield also showed how extremely fast imaging could be achievable. This became technically possible within medicine a decade later.

    Mansfield is at the University of Nottingham in Britain.

    ``We've waited a long time, but I must say, I didn't really expect anything like this to come at this point in my life,'' he said. ``My 70th birthday is this week and although I'm retired, I'm still working in research, but I'd given up all hopes and ideas of receiving anything in the way of an accolade of this type.''

    The prize for the two men is ``long overdue,'' said Sir George Radda, an MRI expert from Oxford University. ``These two people have clearly been the inventors of magnetic resonance imaging and developed it.''

    The Medical Research Council, Britain's equivalent to the National Instititutes of Health, funded Mansfield's early work.

    ``They recognized even at the very early physics and engineering stage that this was worth supporting in the long run and it paid off,'' said Radda, former chief executive of the Medical Research Council.

    ``There are a lot of people who along the line contributed, like in all these cases, but they published the key papers.''

    Radda noted that MRI has become very versatile, and can produce images that indicate brain functioning as well as anatomy.

    ``There are very few people around now that haven't been in an MRI machine these days,'' Radda said. ``It turned out to be extremely useful for looking at joints and knees, the brain, the heart -- basically every organ. The difficult one is the lung.''

    Essentially, MRI provokes hydrogen atoms in the body's tissues to emit radio signals, which it then detects and uses to build up three-dimensional images of internal organs.

    The prize includes a check for 10 million kronor, or $1.3 million, and bestows a deeper sense of academic and medical integrity upon the winners.

    There are no set guidelines for deciding who wins. Alfred Nobel, who endowed the awards that bear his name, simply said the winner ``shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or

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    1. Re:No need to register, here's the text! by c_oflynn · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also use this:

      username: plasticuser
      password: plastic

    2. Re:No need to register, here's the text! by oldmathguy · · Score: 1

      MRI can reveal whether lower back pain is is due to pressure on a nerve or spinal cord, for example. It can give surgeons a roadmap for operations, revealing the limits of a tumor. And since MRI itself does not require physically entering the body, it can replace some procedures that patients find uncomfortable.


      This is BS. 90% of lower back pain has nothing to do with pressure on a nerve root or spinal cord. Most lower back pain comes from strained ligaments in the Sacro-Illiac joints, or in the facet joints of the lumbar vertebrae.

      The MRI has been a major improvement in technology, but it has not been a unmixed blessing. For one, it lead to a number of very expensive, unneccessary, unhelpful, and often harmful back surgeries. It has been used by dishonest surgeons to sell expensive and unneccessary back surgeries. Finally, over-reliance on technology has meant that physical examination has become a lost art.

      I recently met a person wearing a knee brace, waiting to see Dr. Milne Ongley in Ensenada, Baja California. This lady had been told by two surgeons, that her ACL was completely severed. She also had an MRI that said there was "no evidence of an attachment" of the ACL. Dr. Ongley drained 30 cc's of blood from the knee, gave her some Demerol and anti-inflammatory medicine, and she walked out of his office with no knee brace. I do not think that would have been possible if her ACL had been truly severed.

      This lady underwent proliferant treatment by Dr. Ongley, to strengthen her knee ligaments without surgery, and as far as I know, this treatment was completely successful, saving her some major pain and a year of rehab.

      http://ongleyonline.com
    3. Re:No need to register, here's the text! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Just a quick point for anyone since your leaving a link to your website. The claim that these injections build up muscle tissue in not supported well by research. From website

      "This proliferant solution causes an irritation that brings a blood flow into these areas allowing them to rebuild and finally heal the damaged soft tissues"

      While a step above healing magnets this process does indeed operate by the same principal. Ie increased bloodflow leads to increased healing.

      I hope your not mad for me pointing this out, but at the same time it's important for people who are in pain to have all the facts.

      I'm glad your were able to help some people but I encourage everyone to do their own research as well.

      One last thing I do agree about unneccessary back surgeries. That should be the VERY LAST step. Many times it will leave you much worse then you were before!

    4. Re:No need to register, here's the text! by smileyy · · Score: 1

      If you don't plan on playing sports, you can live pretty normally without an ACL.

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    5. Re:No need to register, here's the text! by oldmathguy · · Score: 1

      Prolotherapy is not about strengthening muscles, it is about strenghtening ligaments, which is much harder to do. But it works. And see The Lancet, July 1987, pp 143-146 for a very good, double blind clinical study of Ongley's treatement of chronic lower back pain.

      Also, it is not my website. I am not Dr. Ongley, but one of his patients.

  6. Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by Faust7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Monday's prize honors pioneering work done in the 1970s that laid the groundwork for making MRI a useful method, the assembly said.

    Heck, the first whole-body MRI scanner was finished in 1977 -- and the Nobel Prize is being awarded just now? What am I missing on how long it takes for the committee to conclude that something has been revolutionary? I realize that Nobel Prizes must be awarded in hindsight, and that belated high-stature recognition is of course better than none at all, but the time gap still seems a little excessive to me.

    1. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by hrieke · · Score: 1

      How about this:
      All the other discoveries that merit recognition too.

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    2. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by Eric+Ass+Raymond · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I realize that Nobel Prizes must be awarded in hindsight

      Well, one of the criterias is that the discovery has benefitted the mankind.

      To my mind, one or two decades is an absolute minimum for such a conclusion. I'd rather see the honour bestowed posthumously - these professors don't do anything with the money they get (at least in the large-scale experimental physics the prize is peanuts compared to the real yearly budgets) and they're too old to really benefit from the fame too.

    3. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by TheTwoBest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd rather see the honour bestowed posthumously

      Unfortunately the Nobel prize it not awarded posthumously. This was one of the contributing factors in the whole Rosalind Franklin and DNA issue.

    4. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by Faust7 · · Score: 1

      Well, one of the criterias is that the discovery has benefitted the mankind.

      As I pointed out in another post, Bloch and Purcell developed NMR spectroscopy for chemical compounds back in '46, and were awarded the Nobel Prize for Physics only six years later. Seriously, how difficult is it to see that the same power of scanning applied to the human body would be beneficial?

    5. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by metlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd rather see the honour bestowed posthumously

      Whoa! A scientist who's worked hard enough to win the Nobel Prize should at the very least live to see it, and enjoy the peer acclaim of having gotten one, if not for the monetary commendation.

      And yes, if they've done enough to contribute so much to society, you cannot spare a few hundred thousand dollars to them just because they're old?

      Remember, age is not a deterrent to feel accomplished -- and this is something that should not be taken away. They deserve atleast this much.

    6. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by Eric+Ass+Raymond · · Score: 1
      how difficult is it to see that the same power of scanning applied

      I'd rather wait for the evidence than grant the Nobel price for every promising new technology. The NMR prize was given hastily.

    7. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by Mononoke · · Score: 3, Insightful
      A scientist who's worked hard enough to win the Nobel Prize should at the very least live to see it...
      Any scientist who's worked hard enough to win wasn't attempting to win anything.

      The unrestricted 'grant' money is quite nice, though.

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    8. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by Eric+Ass+Raymond · · Score: 1
      I agree. Age should not be a deterrent - my being young for an accomplished postdoc you don't have to tell me that.

      However, to be brutally honest, peer acclaim is objectively good for only one thing: securing more funding. You get acclaim, no-one can dismiss your proposals.

      Peer acclaim is (50 - x)% fake politeness and ass-kissing mixed with a x% chance of getting backstabbed if you ever foul-up - and x is growing with every successful proposal.

    9. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Heck, the first whole-body MRI scanner was finished in 1977 -- and the Nobel Prize is being awarded just now?



      I guess Louis Pasteur will have to wait until next year.

    10. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by King+Babar · · Score: 1
      Monday's prize honors pioneering work done in the 1970s that laid the groundwork for making MRI a useful method, the assembly said.
      Heck, the first whole-body MRI scanner was finished in 1977 -- and the Nobel Prize is being awarded just now? What am I missing on how long it takes for the committee to conclude that something has been revolutionary?

      There's almost always an appreciable delay, even for obviously pioneering stuff. My feeling, though, is that the delay can be longer for breakthroughs that fall under "instrumentation" or "technical" rubric.

      The *classic* case of this is this was the fifty-three year gap between the invention of the electron microscope and the 1986 Physics prize being awarded to Ernst Ruska. The two other co-winners that year were IBM's Binnig and Rohrer who won for the "scanning tunneling microscope". What apparently happened here was that the panel wanted to award the prize for the scanning tunneling instrument (which had been invented less than 10 years previously) but then were reminded that Ruska had never won the prize for the invention of the EM. Oops...

      In this case, I can conjecture that somebody on the panel was thinking ahead to the (inevitable and eventual) prizes that could be awarded for applications of functional MRI to neuroscience, and then somebody realized that nobody had ever won for the development of anatomical MRI techniques. Oops...

      The real problem, alas, is that there are never enough Nobel Prizes available to hand out these days, especially in Physiology and Medicine. So everything that gets awarded comes across as long overdue given the huge backlog of potentially worthy recipients.

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    11. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by tgibbs · · Score: 1
      Heck, the first whole-body MRI scanner was finished in 1977 -- and the Nobel Prize is being awarded just now? What am I missing on how long it takes for the committee to conclude that something has been revolutionary?
      The Nobel Prize committee has made some mistakes in the past, so they tend to be a bit conservative. And in fact, MRI was not immediately acclaimed as the major advance in medical technology that it is now seen to be. In the early days, MRI's were extraordinarily expensive, and there were many accusations that it was just one more unnecessary test driving up the costs of medical care. It took quite a few years for its value to be appreciated.
    12. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by Dr.Enormous · · Score: 1

      Well, if you know much about NMR, you'll realize that it's completely non-intuitive that it could be used to scan *stuff*.

      NMR is best with purified compounds at very low concentrations: add in too many different things or too much, and you'll swamp out all the useful information. Given that, it would seem to be about the worst technology for scanning bodies. Even in retrospect--where many brilliant insights seem trivial--coming up with MRI is still not obvious.

    13. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      A counter example:

      The Canadian's Banting and Best discovered insulin in July 1921, the only treatment of the time (and now) for Type I diabetes mellitus.

      The first human to receive insulin got their first injection in January 1922.

      The Nobel Prize in Medicine was awarded to the foursome of Banting and Best, (alone with McLeod and Collip for political/academic reasons; the story is a long and complicated one) in February 1923. ...a two year turnaround. And you know what, they deserved it. ::Brian::

    14. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by the+gnat · · Score: 1

      One of the places she worked at, Birkbeck College in London, suggests that she missed out on multiple prizes - after DNA, she worked on viral strucutres with Aaron Klug, who eventually won the Nobel himself.

    15. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Which was utterly useless as a clinical device. It was not until 1980 and a number of other breakthroughs that the first image of a real live (now dead) patient was taken.

    16. Re:Not to sound superficial or whiny, but... by drp02 · · Score: 1

      Been following this story since the beginning, three decades ago. I think the award did a disservice.

      The reason for the delay is emplified by the fact that this 1977 human scan was not done by one of the Nobel winners, but by Raymond Damadian MD, of Fonar. Among other things, he originally came up with the idea of using T1 and T2 as imaging modalities. Dr Damadian's original 1971 paper in Science stimulated all the rest. He also won a big patent infringment lawsuit against GE for his MRI discoveries.

      His claims and the way he presented them greatly complicated matters for the Nobel committee, who dislike disproofs of their assumption that all important discovery comes from some Herr Professor Doctor type or from Bell labs. We have not seen the end of this dispute yet.

  7. But the question is... by TheLevelHeadedOne · · Score: 1, Funny

    Can you view the pics from the MRI via RMI to UIUC from UoN, UK?

    IDTS....

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  8. why such a delay? by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why are the Nobel Prizes always awarded so long after the prize-winning research has taken place? Is it part of the charter to make sure that the advance that's being rewarded is truly beneficial?

    1. Re:why such a delay? by kfg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, it is. And it often takes some time to determine just how beneficial such work really is.

      As an example how likely do you think Yasser Arafat would be to receive a Nobel for peace today?

      How likely Jimmy Carter NOT to receive one?

      Sometimes you have to wait a fairly long time just to make sure you have identified the proper party.

      I can attest to this with my own family's history. My uncle Albert Schatz invented streptomyicin, and another got awarded the Nobel Prize for it only a few years later. We're so sorry, Uncle Albert.

      This sad state of affairs is now "common" knowledge and had the Acadamy waited 10 years or so to see how things shook out Uncle Albert would have had his Nobel. As it is he now struggles just to get recongnition for what he did, since only those "in the know," know he did it.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,8 23 114,00.html

      They have only rarely caused injustice by prudence. They have jumped the gun and caused injustice on a number of occasions.

      Prudence now seems the wisest course to them.

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    2. Re:why such a delay? by HardCase · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why are the Nobel Prizes always awarded so long after the prize-winning research has taken place? Is it part of the charter to make sure that the advance that's being rewarded is truly beneficial?


      It's so that they know that the advance that is being rewarded is really an advance and not a mistake. For example, up until Michelson's experiments, the prevailing theory was that outer space was not a vacuum, but rather space filled with some sort of aether that allowed electromagnetic radiation to propagate. After all, there has to be some kind of medium for waves to propagate in, right?


      -h-

    3. Re:why such a delay? by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1
      Nothing to contend, just to add:- some Nobel prizes have had a much faster turnaround time, so to speak.

      The Nobel Prize for Lit. won by Ernest Hemingway, for instance, was awarded exactly one year after the publication of his book, The Old Man And The Sea.

    4. Re:why such a delay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's actually exactly why! All things that seem brilliant at first turn out to be pretty crappy, others that seem to be pretty unimportant when discovered may prove extremly important later...

    5. Re:why such a delay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, space is actually not at all a vacuum, it's plasma... Plasma at very low density, but still plasma (ions and electrons). Not relevant for your point, but still :)

    6. Re:why such a delay? by Ascoo · · Score: 1

      While the other responses to this message about ascertaining the validity of the science before awarding the Nobel Prize are valid, one must also look to the politics of science as well. Just because one is offered the Nobel Prize does not mean one acccepts it blindly; especially if it's offered to two or three scientists that may have had some rivalry between them. Sometimes priciples outweigh the desire for public recognition.

      While I'm not much for gossip, let's just say that there was talk at the BMRL that Dr. Lauterbur was offered the Nobel Prize before but declined due to personal differences. I'm not sure how deep these differences were, but turning down the Nobel Prize isn't a decision one takes lightly.

      I'm glad the Dr. Lauterbur finally accepted the prize and will be award the recognition he truely deserves for his work in "zeugmatography." And with Dr. Mansfield, he's definitely in good company.

    7. Re:why such a delay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I would ever receive the Nobel Prize and share it with rivaling scientists, I would still accept it gladly. Why not? It's science, and if I work in that area it's not for the big bucks but because I love science. Bury the hatchett and join in on this annual celebration to one of the things that makes humankind COOL.

    8. Re:why such a delay? by whistler36 · · Score: 1

      Many physicists consider the prize to be a reward for a significant body of work, and they pick the highlight of the lifetime of work as the reason. Not too many physicists have one than one really 'brilliant' moment.

    9. Re:why such a delay? by HardCase · · Score: 1
      Well, space is actually not at all a vacuum, it's plasma... Plasma at very low density, but still plasma (ions and electrons). Not relevant for your point, but still :)


      To be pedantically correct, the near-vacuum of space is pervaded by an extraordinarily tenuous plasma. Space is not plasma...plasma exists in space because it is a nearly perfect vacuum.


      -h-

  9. NUCLEAR Magnetic Resonance Imaging by StandardCell · · Score: 3, Informative

    The reason most of the public knows MRI as MRI, and not NMR (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance), is because people would be scared of the term "nuclear" as radiation and would avoid them. In fact, it actually does have everything to do with both nuclei and radiation, but why sit and argue what it really means with Joe and Jane Average? It's a very similar situation to the bad rap that microwave ovens initially had.

    Note: This is not my factoid, I owe this to one of my EE professors who did research in this field.

    1. Re:NUCLEAR Magnetic Resonance Imaging by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      Why is an EE professor wasting his time doing research on marketing semantics?

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    2. Re:NUCLEAR Magnetic Resonance Imaging by AlecC · · Score: 1

      I think you are right, but unfunny. The alternative version is that NMR sounds exactly the same as "Enema", and a patient saying they had come in for an NMR could get quite a surprise.

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    3. Re:NUCLEAR Magnetic Resonance Imaging by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      I can't believe this is a problem anymore. When you're sick, you want to get better. Period.

      When you take chemo you take poison and have harmful radiation shot at you. When you take x-rays you have harmfu raditation shot at you. When you go into an NMR they check you out with a big magnet. Woo.

      "I don't wanna go in the scary nuclear machine for my life threatening illness. Atoms scare me."

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    4. Re:NUCLEAR Magnetic Resonance Imaging by Rorschach1 · · Score: 1

      Nucular. It's pronounced NU-CUE-LAR.

      Seriously, don't get me started on the public's irrational fear of all things 'nuclear'. We really ought to cut out some of these damn eco-brainwashing environmental sciences classes in high school and start teaching kids something about risk management. Comparing, for example, the risk posed by millions of gallons of gasoline being trucked around city streets every day, to the dangers associated with nuclear power. Which do you think is the greater risk, and which do you think gets more public attention?

      Of course, no amount of education is ever going to overcome the fact that a large portion of the population is stupid, petty, and superstitious. Always has been. Only now instead of witches and evil spirits, it's nuclear power and cell phone radiation.

      Bah. Now get off my lawn, you damn kids!

    5. Re:NUCLEAR Magnetic Resonance Imaging by Boing · · Score: 1
      The reason most of the public knows MRI as MRI, and not NMR (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance), is because people would be scared of the term "nuclear" ... It's a very similar situation to the bad rap that microwave ovens initially had.

      Then again, not too many people put their entire body in a microwave oven and have someone outside press "start".

    6. Re:NUCLEAR Magnetic Resonance Imaging by richg74 · · Score: 1
      The reason most of the public knows MRI as MRI, and not NMR (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance), is because people would be scared of the term "nuclear" as radiation and would avoid them.

      True, as far as I know. Certainly the technology was always called NMR back when I got my degree in physical chemistry in the early 1970s. (I actually wrote one of my final-year papers on the analysis of NMR data for a new compound my adviser had synthesized.)

    7. Re:NUCLEAR Magnetic Resonance Imaging by Dr.Enormous · · Score: 1

      The full name would have been NMRI--the "imaging" part being what's different from the NMR you runn on compounds. So in the lab it still is--and always has been--NMR.

    8. Re:NUCLEAR Magnetic Resonance Imaging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Some years back, I drove past a bunch of people protesting a nuclear plant that was being built nearby.

      My favourite protest sign read: "NO ATOMS"

      There's just no satisying some people...

  10. Official press trelease by oll · · Score: 4, Informative

    The official press release from The Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institutet.

  11. eventual applications by n0mad6 · · Score: 1

    This gives hope for us physicists who work on methods and experiments that seem to have no practical use at the time. Felix Bloch and Edward Purcell won the 1953 physics nobel prize for developing the technique of NMR.

    1. Re:eventual applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can add Scanning Tunneling Microscopy to that crowd.

    2. Re:eventual applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Goddammit! That's the second time it has happened to me. I'm beginning to suspect a Slashdot conspiracy.

      Anyway, here's the real link.

    3. Re:eventual applications by rbird76 · · Score: 1

      ...for which organic chemists and anybody who makes organic compounds is eternally grateful. Since NMR enabled nondestructive characterization of molecules while providing enough information about molecules to reliably determine their structures (at least, once computers and strong magnets came), organic chemists didn't have to burn lots of material to determine its structure. Other techniques (IR, UV) existed which don't destroy material, but NMR gives far more data on the structure of compounds than either of these techniques.

      Early synthesis of molecules usually went through readily available intermediates ("relays") because of the amount of material required to characterize intermediates. Now organic synthesis can be performed easily on milligram scale, allowing for drug discovery and easier educational uses. Syntheses no longer need to include potential relays, allowing more efficient chemistry to be developed.

      The development of small scale synthesis techniques has been a significant factor in the development and discovery of a variety of drugs. The ability to make things on small scale allows chemists to explore lots of drugs, giving them a better chance of finding an effective one. The ability to nondestructively determine the location, connectivity, and stereochemistry (arrangement in space) makes the structure determination and characterization of natural product drugs (such as Taxol) and their subsequent modification possible. These drugs, while not an unnmixed blessing, have been a significant benefit to the advancement of human health.

      NMR has long been a useful technique for human health - MRI simply gave it a much more direct application.

  12. 'Tis not uncommon by SiMac · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Look at the list of previous winners. It's usually a long time before a Nobel prize is awarded.

  13. MRI is wonderful. by cgranade · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now, thanks to MRI, we get to see pictures of very interesting things such as sex in an MRI tube...

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    1. Re:MRI is wonderful. by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 1

      Damn! The guy in figure three has a REALLY tiny penis! That's just unbelieveable! I'm NOT kidding or trolling, just look at it. It must be about 3/4 of an inch thick.

    2. Re:MRI is wonderful. by mormop · · Score: 1

      Either that or her muscles are strong enough to crush concrete.

      More importantly what a fanatastic thing to have on your CV in the "Please list any experience you may have had that could be useful in this role" section.

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  14. Congrats, Prof! by sakusha · · Score: 1

    Hey, I studied with Lauterbur! Actually, I dropped out of one of his classes after 1 week, when I realized I should have taken Linear Algebra first and I was in way over my head.

    1. Re:Congrats, Prof! by Quaryon · · Score: 1

      And Peter Mansfield was one of my physics lecturers when I was at Nottingham University :) - cool eh?

      Q.

  15. Re:Old News by watzinaneihm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have the exact opposite point of view. These routine news items like awards shouldnt be on slashdot frontpage at all. Look at slashdot, everytime a hugo award is given out its on slashdot (even though after harry potter getting it, its no more fun). Every time an Ig Nobel is announced its a story (Ok those are fun). Now Nobel awards are frontpage material.
    From the linked article
    The physics award will be announced Tuesday and the chemistry and economics awards Wednesday in the Swedish capital.
    This potentially means two more frontpage stories on slashdot and 3 if the Economics award goes to behavioral economics or computational (is there a term like this) economics.
    This makes no sense because I can read it on newspapers anyway, no paper is going to miss the nobel awards. And the invention was in 70s and its not like slammer that we must know that NOW before its too late. Sorry for ranting ..Maybe comments on stories add some informational value to the stories..
    BTW did slashdot put up stories on fields medals??

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  16. And thirty years later we had MRI Porn by hrieke · · Score: 1, Funny
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  17. wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The is great news that these two medicinists got the such a noble prize for their achievements. I wonder what that actual prize was...

    With the advancements made in medicine over the years, I am very proud to be alive right now.

    1. Re:wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The actual prize is a million bananas and the respect from your peers as a leader in your field.

    2. Re:wonderful by for_usenet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The gentlemen in question are not "medicinists." Both have backgrounds in the natural sciences, namely Physics and Chemistry.

      What is cool is they received their Nobel for medicine, yet neither of their backgrounds are strictly in medicine, or even Biology. Which is why the relatively open and collaborative nature of science, and research in general, is pretty neat !!

    3. Re:wonderful by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Er, these people are physicists. They may be winning the Medicine price but they are not medical doctors.

  18. I wasn't trying to be funny by StandardCell · · Score: 1

    This was a real issue to get the public to accept this technology as a life saver without irrational fear.

    1. Re:I wasn't trying to be funny by ponxx · · Score: 1

      I don't know, the german word "Kernspintomographie" still has the the nucleus in it, and i've never particularly heard anyone worrying about it...

      Besides, there are enough people around who think that magnets are dangerous, better just not tell them what the acronym stands for. One of our Profs used to say that he was afraid of MRI machines, but mainly because he knew he was surrounded by hundreds of liters of liquid helium and nitrogen, though maybe we shouldn't point this out to the general public either...

  19. Nobel has always been that way by bluGill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Nobel prize has traditionally been very slow to make awards. They are based not on scientifi merit, but significant scientifi merit. The committe has been burned a few times in the past when the awarded a prize for something that seemed revolutionary and worth a prize today, only to have significant flaws develope meaning the work that seemed for revlutionary is insignificant in 20 years. This work may have seemed cool 20 years ago (though other posters dispute that), but it has since shown lasting value to sciencie.

    Remember, Nobel himself was interested in science for the sake of improving people's life. Science for science sake didn't really interest him. (More in the math FAQ on why there isn't a math award) Nobel himself wouldn't have wanted this award given in the '70s just in case it didn't pan out.

    One other point, the committe takes into account personal background. If you deserve an award, but they feel your personaly life would lead you to "wasting" it, they will give the award to someone else. Turn your life around, and you may suddenly get an award at 60 for something you did when you were 25.

    Of course the nobel committies are political. Some awards are given far too soon, and others are ignored for less achivements of "lesser" merit. Overall though, they do a fairly good job.

    1. Re:Nobel has always been that way by corbettw · · Score: 1

      "Of course the nobel committies are political. Some awards are given far too soon, and others are ignored for less achivements of "lesser" merit."

      You mean like how Yasser Arafat got a Nobel Peace Prize, but Mahatma Ghandi didn't?

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    2. Re:Nobel has always been that way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And just what's your problem with Arafat?

      I'd agree if the butcher Sharon had been given the prize.

    3. Re:Nobel has always been that way by bluGill · · Score: 1

      That is one example. I was going to put in some comments about the peace prize becoming a "war prize" once in a while. Eventially I decided it wasn't really on topic, and I didn't want to research such topics to make sure I had details (like the one you gave) incase someone wanted to call troll and demand examples.

      There are other examples of prizes being awarded for political gains, if you want to search them out.

    4. Re:Nobel has always been that way by corran__horn · · Score: 1

      I know in class (I am a Chem E. at UIUC) the professer said essentially that he doubted that this award would ever be given to Lauterbur because he wasn't the kind of person who politiced well.

      Looks like he was finally recognized!

      (And more mad props to the chem department of University of Illinois Urbana Champaign!)

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    5. Re:Nobel has always been that way by norkakn · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure, but I beleive that one must be alive to receive it. It could be that had Ghandi lived longer, he would have been awarded the Peace Prize.

    6. Re:Nobel has always been that way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Jimmy Carter winning it for basically giving nuclear weapons to North Korea

    7. Re:Nobel has always been that way by Magnus+Reftel · · Score: 2, Interesting
      One other point, the committe takes into account personal background. If you deserve an award, but they feel your personaly life would lead you to "wasting" it, they will give the award to someone else.

      Are you sure about that? While I cannot find a source for it, I can definitily remember hearing a member of the Nobel Committe stating that they totally disregard any comments in a nomination about the nominee's character, and that they would give the prize to a criminal if he/she had conferred the greatest benefit to mankind. The statues, at least, do not mention anything about the character of the nominees (though, incidentally, the original will says that the prize should be given to the ones who had done the most to benefit mankind in the preceeding year, so they do not appear to be followed too strictly).

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    8. Re:Nobel has always been that way by bluGill · · Score: 1

      Some book I read as a kid "How do they do that?". Unfortunatly that means my memory could be faulty (though I do remember one guy quoted on the subject); things could have changed in how they do things today; that it is something done, but not admitted to; or something else.

      Note that the book is likely either out of print, or has been updated, so you would not only need to find it, but find the version that I read. I no longer have it, so I can't give you any information on which version that might be. I might not even have the title right.

    9. Re:Nobel has always been that way by the+gnat · · Score: 1

      It actually varies more than you'd expect. Kary Mullis didn't have to wait too long after PCR was invented, because the technique was immediately useful and revolutionary. Michel/Huber/Diesenhofer won in 1988 for X-ray structure of the photosynthetic reaction center, which they'd published only a few years previously. Until then, people had thought high-res structures of membrane proteins couldn't be determined.

      Scientific research is weird, because what may in retrospect appear to be a "revolutionary" concept may take years to be recognized as such, even if they're immediately seen to be somewhat useful. And of course there are cases where a discovery was initially dismissed entirely, and the brilliance of those responsible for it wasn't realized until long after. Catalytic RNA and prions are the best recent example I can think of.

    10. Re:Nobel has always been that way by phch · · Score: 1

      The committe has been burned a few times in the past

      One of the early examples of this is the award to Johannes Fibiger of the 1926 Nobel Prize for medicine. Fibiger had purportedly demonstrated that worms caused cancer in laboratory rats. Other researchers were unable to reproduce his results.

      Probably as a result of this gaffe, American pathologist Peyton Rous had to wait 56 years before receiving the 1966 Nobel Prize for medicine, for his discovery of tumor inducing viruses.

      Better late than never.

    11. Re:Nobel has always been that way by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      It may be his little 'habit' of supporting those whose MAIN GOAL is blowing up women and kids...

  20. MRI scanner invented by an Armenian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although a Briton and an American may have invented the techniques behind Magnetic Resonance Imaging, the actual MRI scanner was invented by an Armenian: Raymond Damadian

  21. Goliath finally won this battle... Damadian lost? by pohzer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Raymond Damadian has been the "David" in this battle since he first submitted to publish his original images in 1969.... and started to experience the "outsider syndrome". It was Damadian's experiment that led Lauterbur to employ a gradient field and achieve high resolution, using existing methods from Computed Tomography imaging.

    Damadian has the patents on use of T1 and T2 relaxation times in MRI. I met him at a small seminar in the early 80's where he was about to abandon his attempts to defend his patents against GE, Seimens, et al. due to costs... he eventually won against all of them. He's at www.fonar.com and a nice summary of the controversy is at www.mult-sclerosis.org .

  22. It took decades for the Nobel to be awarded... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to the guys who invented putting dead stuff in wax and slicing it real thin. Some wonder if it was because they came from the deli industry and not one of the classical sciences.

  23. Why do they make those funny noises? by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    I had an MRI a couple of years ago, and one thing I was completely unprepared for was the humorous, Roadrunner-cartoon-like characteristics of the noises it makes. They did several sequences, and each had its own funny noise. Ba-doink, ba-doink, ba-doink... Frawnk, frawnk, frawnk... Galeep, galeep, galeep.

    I even went online to read some technical explanations, but nothing explained why these noises have the humorous characteristics that they have.

    1. Re:Why do they make those funny noises? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oscilating magnetic fields produce mechanical vibration on the coils which translate in to sound waves. This is the same principle on how a speaker works. Actually you can use an MRI scanner to play music or hook up you electric guitar. (A little bit expensive for a guitar amp).

    2. Re:Why do they make those funny noises? by trtmrt · · Score: 1

      The noises you hear during an MRI scan are the gradient coils switching on and off. They differ from sequence to sequence and the prescription for a particular scan. I guess funny depends on your sense of humor :). There haven been people that have made MRI sequences that can actually play arbitrary sound waveforms through these noises that the gradients make so that the scanner could "say" different instructions to the patient. I don't know if they sampled some jokes so that the gradients could really sound funny.

    3. Re:Why do they make those funny noises? by dmiller · · Score: 1

      The sounds that one hears when having an MRI can best be likened to being inside a giant floppy drive.

  24. Go MRI! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Now if someone could figure out a way to make an MRI cost less than $5,000 per scan, I'd award them the Nobel Prize in a hearbeat!

    1. Re:Go MRI! by VCAGuy · · Score: 1

      MRI (or NMR) isn't popular because it's expensive. MRI/NMR is expensive because it isn't popular. 'Nuff said.

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    2. Re:Go MRI! by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      The cost of MRI installations is one reason why Ultrasound is taking off in a big way. Your clinic down the street can't afford a $5,000,000 MRI, but it can afford a $30,000 ultrasound. Additionally, US is portable and doesn't cause acrophobia.

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  25. Time Proves Legitimacy by HardCase · · Score: 1
    The Nobel Committee waits for such a long time so that they can be sure that they are awarding the prize for an achievment that is truely legitimate. Consider how embarassing it would be to award a Prize for something that was later proved to be incorrect. Generally, time weeds out bogus "discoveries".


    Something that I always thought interesting was that Albert Einstein received the Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on the photoelectric effect as opposed to his work in relativity. Relativity was such a contentious subject for so long that the Committee was concerned that awarding the Prize to Einstein for his work in it might prove to be mistaken in the future. Now, the photoelectric effect was no small thing, but his theories of general and special relativity were really something.


    -h-

    1. Re:Time Proves Legitimacy by HuguesT · · Score: 1

      As a rule the Nobel committee does not award prizes for theories that are hard to test. The quantum mechanists got lots of Nobel prizes because they could instantly explain structures and predict events and constants with great precision. On the other hand GRT was pretty much untestable; there was the Eddington expedition that showed that the Sun mass did bend light rays, but the classical theory predicts that as well, only the amount of bending is different (GRT predicts twice the bending of the classical theory), and the Eddington data was too cruddy to determine the amount of bending with enough precision.

      Einstein should have been awarded a second Nobel after the Manhattan project, that showed the world that energy/matter conversion was a very real thing, but I guess the Nobel committee would have balked at what was really an anti-peace prize.

      BTW the above is why string theorists are unlikely to be rewarded with a Nobel anytime soon.

  26. More info by t0ny · · Score: 1
    I had read several months ago about a cheaper, faster means of conducting MRIs so they could be used more routinely, and by more clinics (meaning those with less funding).

    Anyone else know about info on this?

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    1. Re:More info by MountainLogic · · Score: 1

      A lot of cool magnetics research came out of star wars (SDI not the movie). To make a MRi you need a very pure high strength magnetic field (ppm). To do some of the whacko star wars space beam gizmoes you need much the same. Star wasa also needed a system they could park in space that used very little power and had zero maintance. The traditional superconducting magnets need frequient refilling of coolents, hard to do in space. So they developed methods for building systems using permenent magnets. Turns out, you can build some very pure fields by just taking a fiew "slices" out of a square tube, remagnitize those slices with the right vector and get a very pure field. This design has a couple other advantages: contained magnetic fields (passing Snap On Tool trucks are no longer are pulled off the freeway), always on, zero cooling costs, zero power costs and a much reduced build cost. Really high fields look to be better build from super conductors, but expect to see R.E. magnent MRIs at a radiolisist near you.

  27. Was there a complementary prize given for... by vudufixit · · Score: 2, Funny

    Pioneering research into anti-claustrophobia treatments?

    1. Re:Was there a complementary prize given for... by mdmitchell · · Score: 1
      I recall an article about someone using cucumber oil aromatherapy (no $#!^!) as an anti-anxiety treatment during MRI. Don't think it was in a peer-reviewed journal though.

      Matthew Mitchell, Ph.D.
      [remembers when the state-of-the-art MRI patient comfort system was Ed Heidelberger playing his guitar]

  28. Hohum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Asides from winning a noble prize I would also like to give it the award for "Most Annoying, Most Tedious and most Irritable Scan Ever".
    I detest those things, I work in a hospital operating the MRI/MNR scanner, and god damnit after a while the sound comes straight through my headphones with disturbingly loud industrial ... Quite annoying to say the least.

  29. Brits win again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Third year in a row the prize for medicine has been won (or shared by) Brits. We rock, suckahs!!

  30. MRIs are fun by mr100percent · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've had some fun with MRIs too. After I got a head scan with a closed MRI, the tech picked up a screwdriver and gave it to me. I walked over to the machine, and felt a very strong force begin to tug and tug on the screwdriver. Waving it in the tunnel, it almost latched onto the ceiling. Luckily the machine was turned off, and the outside had some shielding, or I imagine would have been dragged accross the room.

    The MRI technology was developed at the State University of New York at Stony Brook, right by where I live. The first machine over here was built with permanent magnets, dozens of them in metal brick form stacked to form the plates. The lab was situated right above the parking garage, which was unlucky for the cars below. People began to notice that all the cars parked in a certain corner wouldn't start if they were left there for a while. It turns out the machine wasn't shielded enough, and the magnetism was somehow draining all the car batteries below. The floor, as well as the walls, soon got lead or copper shielding after that. Can anyone explain to me why that happened?

    Another interesting story there: One day, the custodian somehow ignored the red "In Progress" signs and entered while using the floor buffing machine. Immediately the machine was yanked off the ground, and dragged into the tunnel, where I imagine a patient was lying since the machine was on. The patient was OK, just had to crawl out the other side. The custodian was fired, and the radiologists were left with the task of getting a heavy twisted hunk of metal out from in between two permanent magnets. In the end, a tow truck had to use a winch to slowly pull the tangled floor buffer out. Owch.

    1. Re:MRIs are fun by mdmitchell · · Score: 1

      Is it worth flaming this guy over all the stuff he made up? (hint: I was _there_ when Lauterbur built his first human size scanner, and the magnet rooms were in the _basement_) Whaddya think, "100percent"? You really want us to believe all that malarkey?

    2. Re:MRIs are fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all right you probably know better than me. When I worked at Stony Brook, I didn't work in that building, so I'm just relating what my co-worker told me. Seems he was wrong then.

  31. Nobel, nitroglycerine, and Robert Furchgott by tgibbs · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Turn your life around, and you may suddenly get an award at 60 for something you did when you were 25

    Think also of the story of Robert Furchgott. When I first met him, in 1980, he was an emininent pharmacologist who had made important early theoretical and experimental contributions to the field. But he was getting on in years, and many people seemed to think that his major work was behind him. He was working on this obscure problem in pharmacology: he was trying to figure out how acetylcholine relaxes vascular smooth muscle to (dilate blood vessels).

    It was an obscure problem because acetylcholine doesn't actually seem to play much of a role physiologically in controlling vascular smooth muscle. But Furchgott had discovered that if he prepared his smooth muscle samples really cleanly, with no endothelium (the "skin" on the inside of the vessel) attached, acetylcholine no longer worked. He figured out that the endothelium had to be releasing somthing, which he named "Endothelium Derived Relaxing Factor," EDRF for short. Evenually he and others identified EDRF as nitric oxide, and for this he shared the 1998 Nobel Prize in Medicine.

    What makes this particularly cool is that Nobel supposedly established his Prizes because he felt kind of bad about some of the uses to which his great discovery had been put--namely, the stablized form of nitroglycerine known as dynamite. However, nitroglycerine also has a medical use, relieving the pain of angina. Nobody knew how it did this, until Furchgott's discovery opened up the nitric oxide field, and nitroglycerine was recognized to act by releasing nitric oxide (thereby dilating blood vessels in the heart and improving blood flow).

    And of course, a few years later, Furchgott's discovery led to the development of Viagra...

    1. Re:Nobel, nitroglycerine, and Robert Furchgott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And of course, a few years later, Furchgott's discovery led to the development of Viagra...
      And don't forget miNOXidil, the angiogenic properties of which keep my hairline looking like a 35-year old's rather than a 55-year old's.

      (Unfortunately I'm 28).

    2. Re:Nobel, nitroglycerine, and Robert Furchgott by Yoncarzy · · Score: 1

      Speaking of Furchgott, Raymond Damadian did his research in the same building here at SUNY Downstate Medical Center as Furchgott. For those of you who don't know, Damadian was the guy who built the first MRI and published his results in Science magazine in 1971, two years before Lauterbur!

  32. Awwww, Crap! by arctan1701 · · Score: 1

    That reminds me, I need to go to class. Damn you Slashdot! Damn you!

  33. Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The money for the Nobel foundation comes from the discovery of dynamite. The money is going to people whose invention saves a lot of lives.

  34. Go U of I! by Brown+Eggs · · Score: 1

    Wow - a great day for the University of Illinois. Even though the research wasn't done here, it is great that one of the nicest professors (and a professor in the graduate program I am in) was awarded such an honor. Just to chime in with the other facts and tidbits here, note that the other awardee also did a research assistantship/postdoc at U of I in the early 60s :) Must be all that sweet corn

  35. so? by kaisyain · · Score: 1
    According to the will that set up the Prize:

    [it] shall be annually distributed in the form of prizes to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind.


    I don't see anything in there saying "in the past 20 or 30 years...make sure you wait so you don't have egg on your face."

    I agree that in the field of science waiting is prudent but I have never understood where the Committee gets the legal backing for doing it the way they do. In my mind the greatest effect is in the Literature field, which has become a de facto lifetime achievement award when that seems to have been very far from what Nobel intended.
  36. This was long overdue for a reason by sunilhari · · Score: 1

    In the 1950's, Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR) was developed as a method to analyze organic molecules, and could very accurately show the different functional groups (alcohols, ethers, aldehydes, etc) in a given sample. This allowed identification of almost any organic molecule, and won the Nobel Prize in the late 50's or early 60's. When MRI first came out, people viewed it as a simple extension of NMR - "Instead of an organic sample, let's use the human body as a sample and look for the same shifts!" That's why MRI hasn't won a Nobel in 30+ years.

  37. The original gradient amps were audio gear by djh101010 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know most of the pulse sequence designers for GE's MRI scanners - trust me, the noises aren't the only strange thing in that department. A bunch of brilliant physicists and computer scientists, to be sure, but uniformly goofy.

    That having been said - the physics dictates the sound. You've got three gradient coils around you, for X,Y, and Z, each of which are pulsing in the audio frequencies, so an RF pulse can excite a particular area for imaging.

    Originally, the gradient amps for GE's scanners were Techron 8603's, which had an analog input on the front panel. Some interesting (and highly unauthorized) experiments took place involving Dark Side of the Moon and that analog input; an MRI scanner is a very good speaker...and the effect of lying in the tube with that music swirling around is absolutely indescribable.

    1. Re:The original gradient amps were audio gear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I remember that some early amps for the Technicare scanners in their research area were Carvers!

  38. So what happened to Aberdeen??? by jabuzz · · Score: 1

    Who the hell gets on the Nobel committee and how the hell do they come up with this crap? Another case of where the people that made the real discoveries are unrewarded.

    What happened to the people from the team at the Department of Biomedical Physics at the University of Aberdeen who made the critical breakthrough to make all this practical, and produced the first whole body scanner to take an image of a real live patient?

    Further if fast imagining was "discovered" by Sir Peter Mansfield, how come the two dimensional Fourier transform methods used in all scanners worldwide and known as "spin-warp", the real breakthrough in MRI (yes the warp is because the person who came up with it was a Trek fan), where discovered by someone else?

    Without the spin warp technique MRI would have remained an interesting but clinically useless technique. One has little faith in the ability of the Nobel committee to award prizes to those that should get them.

    1. Re:So what happened to Aberdeen??? by mdmitchell · · Score: 1

      It wasn't an unreasonable call by the committee. They have to draw the line somewhere, and while the Aberdeen group made important and early contributions, they were not alone. Though when I thought years ago about who would get the inevitable Nobel for MRI, I figured they'd recognize Bill Edelstein for spin-warp imaging along with Lauterbur. It was an elegant synthesis of the advances that had been made to that point, and it's what moved NMR imaging from the research lab into clinical practice. Matthew Mitchell, Ph.D. [gave enough consideration to doing his grad work at Aberdeen to go and interview with Hutchison]

  39. Re:Goliath finally won this battle... Damadian los by jabuzz · · Score: 1

    Really so all those patents held by the British Technology Group are a figment of my imagination then? Those critical patents that allow an image to be acquired in a clinically useful period of time that is.

  40. DICOM by WebfishUK · · Score: 1

    I am glad to see that the Nobel Committee has finally awarded this. As a medical image analysist I have worked with MR for many years now. What the area needs to do now is move away from the idea of an MR scanner as something which produces pretty pictures and start to think of it as a measurement device. The scanner manufacturers focus on producing nice looking pictures for the clinicians to look at, often at the expense of reproducible, accurate measurements. I also doubt whether anyone will be receiving any awards for DICOM the industry standard format for getting data off the scanner. And you think your tax form is overly complex....

    --
    -- "Can't sleep, clowns will eat me!"
    1. Re:DICOM by Yarn · · Score: 1

      Having written a (simple) dicom reader I agree. Interfile forever!

      --
      -Yarn - Rio Karma: Excellent
  41. Peter, Paul and MaRI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one amused at this?

    Guess so...

  42. I'm confused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who supported blowing up citizens again?

  43. Re:Goliath finally won this battle... Damadian los by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is a link to a nice essay on the different contributions of Lauterbur and Damadian. The bottom line in my opinion is that Damadian published first.

    http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/news/Jun2002/Fight in gOverCreditForMRI.html

  44. Re:MRIs are terrorists are amazed by simple stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you are not scientifically inclined. you are a cultist zealot. you were planning to murder people by throwing metal objects at them.

    you know nothing of who and why and how MRIs were made. you live near new york becaue your terrorist ass likes to see your terrorist friends' handiwork.

    your terror plan failed to murder teh patient. you are the fucknig janitor int he story. you muhammed atta fucking towelhead.

  45. DAMN!!! by mindpixel · · Score: 1

    I was working on a radio doc about tomography and now these guys are going to be hard to interview.

  46. MRI on a small scale by DrLudicrous · · Score: 1
    I am so very pleased with the committee's decision. We do MRI in our physics lab, and most of us have some relation to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. We are currently working on a new idea of Dr. Lauterbur (who is at UIUC) which should hopefully increase the signal to noise ratio of MRI when performed on very small samples. Translation- we are hoping to do better imaging on a micron to submicron scale of living cells, in addition to doing localized spectroscopy at the same scales. It just goes to show that even at 74, Dr. Lauterbur is a very important figure in the MRI field.

    Side note- he was also a graduate of the Case Institute of Technology in Cleveland, Ohio, my alma mater (now Case Western Reserve University). Go Case!

  47. Re:Goliath finally won this battle... Damadian los by retiarius · · Score: 1

    rather like gould/maiman ahead of schawlow/townes
    for the laser. it's not so much who is first
    with the practical invention as who best explains
    the science early on.

    slighting key contributors from credit is bad
    enough when hidebound committees do such,
    but even worse when the awardees do.
    (e.g. rosalind franklin anticipating
    watson/crick for DNA seems to fit this
    category, as does newton erasing the memory
    of hookes.)

    one way to help attenuate such slights is
    overthrow the rule that a max of three
    can be awarded the same prize. the requirement
    of being alive at award-time seems useful
    for some things but spells trouble in helping correct oversights.

    then there's just plain incorrect politics,
    such as that which undermined borges from
    getting the nobel for literature.

  48. Re:NUCLEAR ... (and not zeugmatography) by mdmitchell · · Score: 1

    I remember the debate over that issue--it took place at a meeting of the Society of Magnetic Resonance in Medicine about 1984 or 85. On one side were the clinicians who felt that the word "nuclear" would unnecessarily scare the public about a modality that in face uses no ionizing radiation, and possibly set back the development of clinical MRI. On the other side were the physicists who knew "nuclear" wasn't synonymous with "radioactive" (of cource the clinicians did too) and didn't want their perfectly good scientific term bowdlerized. Incidentally, Lauterbur coined the term zeugmatography for the technology, but obviously it didn't stick. http://www.google.com/search?q=zeugmatography&ie=U TF-8&oe=UTF-8 : 398 hits, MRI: 8.1 million hits Matthew Mitchell, Ph.D. [Lauterbur lab, Stony Brook, 1982]

  49. MRI scanning by penis+enlargement · · Score: 0

    MRI has been valuable in helping diagnose organic ED in men.

  50. Re:Goliath finally won this battle... Damadian los by mdmitchell · · Score: 1
    Don't know how much the committee concerns itself with such things, but Damadian was rather crass in his demand for equal (if not higher) billing with Lauterbur. I witnessed a shouting match between the two sides in the hallways of an SMRM meeting in 1985 or so, and the majority siding with Lauterbur.

    Everyone knew there was going to eventually be a Nobel, so there was some jostling for recognition. Nobody jostled more, or was more offended at being left out, than Damadian.

    In the end, neither Lauterbur's method (reconstruction from projections, analogous to CT) or Damadian's method (sensitive point) lasted very long; neither was anywhere near as efficient as spin-warp imaging and subsequent methods.

    Matthew Mitchell, Ph.D.
    [did the first clinical trial quantitatively proving MRI to be more effective than other modalities for a particular diagnosis (in this case avascular necrosis of the hip) (published in AJR 1984). Wasn't groundbreaking stuff, but it did eventually lead ten years later to my current job in technology assessment.]

  51. MRI is really NMR by xtronics · · Score: 1
    We should not use the PC version of this technologies name - it was originally called Nuclear Magnetic Resonance, but changed because of that evil word nuclear.


    I will always call it by it's proper name NMR

  52. Re:Goliath finally won this battle... Damadian los by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a biophysicist with a medical degree. Even published a paper on TDR measurements of water structure, a sort of poor man's MRI. All this gives me a unique perspective encompassing both the medical and physics aspects.

    I can remember Damadian at Biophysical society meetings in the early 70's describing how to use T1 and T2 as imaging modalities. It flat astounds me that he was not honored with this years prize.

    It is true that the technical aspects diverged from his original work. But this is like saying the Wright Brothers did not invent powered flight just because even slightly later aircraft were rather different from their original "Flyer".

  53. Re:Goliath finally won this battle... Damadian los by drp02 · · Score: 1

    True, and modern aircraft don't look like the Wright Brother's flyer. This does not mean they didn't invent powered flight... Peter H Proctor, PhD, MD

  54. Professor of Chemistry Paul Lauterbur by IllinoisChemist · · Score: 1

    The Slashdot announcement of the MRI Nobel Prize incorrectly lists Prof. Lauterbur's affiliation as the Biomedical Magnetic Resonance Laboratory at the University of Illinois. While this was true a few years ago, his principal appointment is now in the Department of Chemistry (www.scs.uiuc.edu/chem/). Slashdot readers would find more information about Prof. Lauterbur (including his homepage) if the main announcement were corrected and the Slashdot sidebar gave this link rather than the one to the BMRL.