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Apple Sets Oct. 24th Release For Mac OS X 10.3

dricci writes "Yahoo! has posted a press release from Apple, regarding the release date of the next major Mac OS X update, 10.3 ('Panther'). The update will be available 8:00 p.m. on October 24th at Apple Retail Stores and Authorized Resellers for $129.00 US (Family Pack for up to 5 users will be $199). Pretty much the same pricing structure they had for Jaguar. It looks like 'old world' Beige G3 support has been discontinued -- the update requires a Mac with built in USB."

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  1. Countdown clock by BWJones · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apple is running a very cool countdown clock on their main page here.

    Flash aside, this is one important update for Mac users and shows how much code optimization can get you in terms of performance. This release runs impressively fast on current hardware, but more importantly for the installed user base, it gives new life to older machines with good performance on machines going back several years.

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    1. Re:Countdown clock by hype7 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Flash aside, this is one important update for Mac users and shows how much code optimization can get you in terms of performance


      Absolutely! I'm not the biggest fan of XBench, but these numbers do paint a very impressive picture.

      Regardless, don't forget the cool stuff Apple's adding - Expose is cool, I got a chance to play with a pre-release version of Panther and it's one of those things that you'll begin to wonder how the hell you ever lived without it. The other thing that I'm looking forward to is the on-the-fly, user-friend 128-bit AES encryption. Your computer goes walkies? Least the pricks don't get all your stuff.

      -- james
    2. Re:Countdown clock by Matthias+Wiesmann · · Score: 5, Informative
      Remember that the time taken by the OS, in most cases is below 1% of the total program execution time.
      While programs indeed spend little time executing operating system calls, GUI programs spend a lot of time in libraries and waiting on the graphical server. So by improving the libraries or the graphical server, performance and responsiveness can be dramatically improved. This is exactly the kind of optimisation that where done in 10.2, in particular with Quartz Extreme.

      You have do understand that most Mac application rely on the system's libraries to do many task: GUI are dones using Quartz, media handling is typically done using Quicktime, DSP like calculations using vecLib and so on. Now you can debate if those libraries are part of the OS or not, the fact is, Panther will probably bring improvements to those libraries.

    3. Re:Countdown clock by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't believe it?

      Run an OS 10.0.4 box along side of a 10.1.0 box or a 10.0.4 along side a 10.2.0 box and then do a file copy or a browse to a network server and fart around with the machine at the sametime.

      Or fire up IE and browse /. articles with more than 50 comments.

      The OS does get *that* much faster.

  2. Re:rediculous by LemonYellow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Judging from the features that have been demoed so far, this is an upgrade of a similar size to that from Win2k to WinXP. So, paying for it isn't too unreasonable, is it?

  3. Re:rediculous...it's spelled ridiculous & U R by adzoox · · Score: 5, Informative

    What are you talking about? If I recall:

    10.2.1
    10.2.3
    10.2.4
    10.2.6
    10.2.8

    Were all free, not to mention all the app and security fixes. Most of those updates weren't REQUIRED like the "free Windows updates" AND each time you updated you had to validate your Windows system under XP.

    This is the release of X that everyone should want. faster, more stable on every machine I've tested it on.

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  4. Re:rediculous by nat5an · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yeah, except, as I understand it, the difference is that 10.3 will actually run faster than 10.2 on the same system. As opposed to Win2k and WinXP on the same machine, where the converse is most definitely true.

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  5. Old World Support by kurosawdust · · Score: 5, Funny
    It looks like "old world" Beige G3 support has been discontinued -- the update requires a Mac with built in USB."

    That's OK - the six guys to whom that would actually apply are still waiting for their copies of 10.2 to boot up.

    1. Re:Old World Support by LookSharp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is yet another example of Apple trying to screw the user...

      Yeah, man! Fight the power! I want to run the latest and greatest OS on my six year old computer! Even though I bought into the proprietary platform, knowing full well that Apple goes through hardware generations and OSes every 3-5 years! For the past 15+ years!

      No more Apple screwing us over! I want OS 10.4 to support my Mac SE! I put 4 megs of RAM and an ethernet card in that thing... it cost me a bundle in 1989! I want some return on that investment! Damn Apple for screwing the user!

  6. And now...! by scaife · · Score: 5, Funny

    This version has special built-in protections to keep it from biting you in the neck while you're taunting it in front of your friends. And since its ferocity has been turned down, I suppose I can also expect that I'll need to pet it every once in a while.

  7. More info on the Dev Tools too by HellsAngel · · Score: 5, Informative

    They got more info on the Developer Tools too right here It uses GCC 3.3 now, and from the looks of it, Xcode is gonna rock! Oh, and if you'll look at the Darwin link, you'll notice that the Terminal in the image uses bash instead of tcsh. Darn, and I was just getting used to the C Shell too.=) Oh well then...

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  8. Don't Forget the Educational Discount... by Pirogoeth · · Score: 5, Informative

    Panther is only $69 if you qualify!

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  9. Panther / jaguar compared by MouseR · · Score: 5, Informative

    I got my dual G5 on the 7th of september. I have partitioned it and have installed both Jaguar (10.2.7 G5) and Panther 7B74 on it (for those asking, I was at the developer conference, hence my seedings of Panther).

    Using Code Warrior to build 730 megs worth of sources (no, really), the complete build cycle (after a total cleanup of objects) took 9 minutes on Panther, and 13 minutes in Jaguar.

    And that's with a tool that's not multi-threaded. Kudos Apple.

    (Oh, and BTW, this same source code set takes roughly 45 minutes on a dual G4 450!!)

  10. No G5 by dublisk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Panther requires a minimum of 128MB of memory and is designed to run on the following Apple products with built-in USB support: iMac,(R) iBook(R), Power Macintosh(R) G3, Power Mac G4, Power Mac G4 Cube.

    Thank god I didn't get a G5.

  11. Re:MacOS 10.3 by CountBrass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Two fallacies in one post - way to go.

    Fallacy one. How many different word processing/spreadsheet/paint packages do you use ? how many does anyone need? There's a slection of the best from free to costly available on the Mac. Some of the best aren't available on Windows...

    Fallacy two. OSX (and Linux and Unix) aren't just more secure because not so many people hack them - they're more secure because they're built that way. They don't by default execute attachments when you read email, they don't leave ports open all over the place etc etc. OSX has fewer security problems because its built that way and Windoh!s isn't. Edward

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  12. Enough with the "point" release by mariox19 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I will stipulate that Apple went ahead and violated a convention in computing for the sake of marketing; but people criticizing the $129 price in the context of the upgrade being a "point" release are way off the mark.

    Panther is OS XII -- but I guess Apple wants to stick with the mindshare that the big "X" has created.

    I stuck with 10.1 until only last month. Know what? When I finally installed Jaguar on my machine, I was kicking myself for waiting so long.

    These are major upgrades.

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  13. Re:Liberate your software. by wo1verin3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    >>Frankly, I'm tired of Steve Jobs claiming he
    >>has a "revolutionary" new upgrade for my
    >>Macintosh every year. I don't think that this
    >>is worth $129.00.

    Well I've put a team of monkeys to work on trying to figure out how to ensure you don't lose your $129 dollars, and will still allow Steve Jobs to market his product in a way that he sees fit.

    After 3.4 seconds, the monkeys typed the following:

    DON'T BUY IT

  14. Re:Looks like the Apple 'lies' (marketing) continu by green+pizza · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is why my 6400/200 was the last new Apple machine I bought.
    I'm sorry to hear that... the PPC 603 in the 6400 **sucked** compared to the 604 in most of their other desktops.

    The Beige G3s were the last Apple machines that I would have considered buying. Since they are no longer supported I guess I won't be buying Apple
    Huh?? Were you fond of the 66 MHz bus and onboard 10 MB/sec SCSI? Or was it the EIDE that you liked?
    The Blue&White G3 had just as much expansion as the Beige G3 (3 PCI & 1 66 MHz PCI for gfx versus 3 PCI & 1 "personality slot" in the beige). One less drive bay, though, but the machine came with onboard USB and Firewire. Even had a legacy ADB port to help you transition over and keep your favorite keys/mouse. The stock Rage128 blew the beige's graphics out of the water with about 8x the fillrate.
    The G4s were even better. And... there are gobs of aftermarket CPU upgrades for the B&W G3, just as there are for the beige.

    I would agree that Apple is lacking a good entry-level desktop machine right now ($3K for a monster dual that can support 8-16 GB RAM is a good price, as are most of the PowerBooks... but there is no ideal $1K single processor desktop [the single proc G5s are really expensive in terms of bang for the buck]).

  15. Re:Looks like the Apple 'lies' (marketing) continu by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Informative
    I would agree that Apple is lacking a good entry-level desktop machine right now ($3K for a monster dual that can support 8-16 GB RAM is a good price, as are most of the PowerBooks... but there is no ideal $1K single processor desktop [the single proc G5s are really expensive in terms of bang for the buck]).

    Huh? If you have $1K to spend you can get:
    • 1GHz PowerPC G4
    • 128MB SDRAM
    • 60GB Ultra ATA drive
    • DVD-ROM/CD-RW Combo drive
    • Keyboard/Mouse
    • VGA out
    • S-Video Out
    • Firewire
    • USB
    • Audio In/Out
    • 10/100 Ethernet
    • 56K modem
    • Mac OS X
    • Speakers
    • 17" monitor
    • and a bunch of useful software
    That's a pretty good entry-level system. It's not the fastest thing you can buy, but it's plenty of machine for most people. If you need more of a machine than that, besides some RAM, you're not in the market for an entry-level machine.
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  16. Funny - I'm experiencing something similar. by speechpoet · · Score: 5, Funny

    I never thought about it before, but my new dual G5 is measurably faster than my WallStreet, which has, yes, shown certain signs of age since it was released in 1998. In retribution, I will not only download Panther, but shoplift a 17-inch PowerBook and steal Steve Jobs' turtleneck collection.