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Non-Technological Ways to Combat Cheating?

blackcoot asks: "I'm currently T.A.ing for a required senior level class in algorithms. Having just graded the latest set of homework, I'm amused / sickened (can't make up my mind on that one) at the level of cheating. Slashdot has covered automated cheating detection in the past here and here, but I'm hoping to find some (necessarily nontech) ways of encouraging students to be a bit more honest (or at least a little less spectacularly stupid in how they cheat). I've been reporting the cheating as I've found it to the relevant profs, but it doesn't seem to be having much of an effect. Any suggestions?"

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  1. Zeros by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 5, Informative

    Give them zeros each and every time you find one of them cheating. They can appeal if they think it's unfair.

  2. Impossible Question by rf0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just put in an impossible question and see how many get the same answer ..

    Rus

    1. Re:Impossible Question by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 3, Funny
      I'm a TA for an advanced Fourier systems/elementary graph theory class at MIT.

      I tried this technique - giving students near-impossible problems - but inevitably some janitor comes by and solves the in the dead of night.

      Damn you night janitor, damn you.

      --

      There are no karma whores, only moderation johns
  3. Nano-Technological Ways to Combat Cheating? by IainHere · · Score: 3, Funny

    I misread the title, and thought we were talking about nano-tech.

    I'd come up with a couple of interesting ways to combat cheating with it before I realised my mistake:

    1) Have nano-robots floating around in your blood stream (and eyes) taking account of everything you see and write. If they witness you cheating, turn you into grey-goo.

    2) As above, but instead of mushing your entire body, just take control of your hands to write "I AM A CHEAT!" all over the paper.

    3) Since the above isn't actually possible yet, just *tell* the students that it is, and they've been injected with the "truth or die" serum.

  4. Discourage them in classes by dabuk · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Tell them that you have sophisticated ways of determining if they're cheating. The main reason they cheat, is because they think they'll get away with it.

    One year, I marked all the coursework for a year and found some ridiculously blatant cheating. So the next year they were informed what happened before (including the 0 mark for all parties involved). I don't remember coming across any cheating when I marked that lot.

    So either they got very good at Prolog or very good at hiding their cheating. Either way I don't care as had fewer meetings to attend...

    1. Re:Discourage them in classes by Glonoinha · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You may be on to something here - social engineering to a positive effect being more powerful than the technical applications of cheat detection.

      Perhaps the first day dedicate a 15 minute sermon asking the students to be completely honest as to why they are there. Some are going to be there because they have to be there (and thus more likely tempted to cheat simply to get out of the class) and some are there because they genuinely want to know / learn the material (and thus the only ones they would be cheating would be themselves) ... and some are there from a foreign country with severe penalties for not passing and doing well (and thus very motivated to exceed at any cost - I have seen some of the (insert nationality here) syndicates in action : entire sets of class material including exams in advance.) And some are just lazy.

      Also differentiate between cheating on homework and cheating on exams / projects.

      At the collegiate level homework is simply a formality, the professor's way of indicating which material in the book he finds important and which can be ignored, and sort of a form of extended classroom instruction. It gives the student an opportunity to apply the theories and formulas in a controlled environment and determine which he has a solid grasp of, and which not (hopefully so he can get it explained during the next class or during office hours 1 on 1.) It is to get him ready for the exams ... so copying someone else's homework totally defeats the purpose of the homework in the first place ... the prof doesn't care if you get it right or wrong or even do it - it is his way to help you help yourself for the upcoming exams (and thus cheating on homework really is only cheating yourself and shouldn't be monitored.)

      At the exam / report / computer program level, let the students know that first sermon that you are looking for someone to make an example of, that you look forward to catching someone cheating so you can document it very well, assure a 100% no questions asked case of cheating, let the student float along the entire semester and regardless of the marks in class / exams / programs / papers that student will fail the class horribly, only not realize it until he gets his report card. You will not acknowledge that he has failed, but you will know and because he cheated he will know. And you are willing to do it for more than one. Perhaps after the first major exam or paper or program take a minute at the beginning of class to announce that one student was determined with 100% certainty to have cheated and will be failing the class regardless of their marks over the course of the semester, but don't tell them which one it was. Any one of them that was even borderline considering cheating even a little is going to fly totally straight the rest of the semester.

      When the penalty is too extreme, most people will pass on the crime. As a child the penalty for stealing a banana from a fruit stand is pretty wimpy, so it happens. As an adult in Saudi Arabia the penalty for stealing a banana from a fruit stand is what(?) the loss of a finger or a hand? I don't envision too many cases of that. When the penalty for DWI in the USA was pretty wimpy it happened all the time, but now the penalty is total financial and employable destruction - and I for one don't do it.

      --
      Glonoinha the MebiByte Slayer
  5. Make them care about the assignment by Gori · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In my experience, one thing that works is to make sure students care about the work they produce.
    When they think that the quality and honesty of the work is is important to them, and to others they tend not to cheat.
    One way is that we give them problems that we ourselves not fully understand, and we clearly tell them so. You present them with a challenge saying "Ok, here is this tough problem. We (the reseach group) dont quite get it yet. Maybe you will see the light and can help us get it further. If your solution/idea it is particullarly good, we will make you a coauthor on the paper on the toppic"
    Obviously, this requires that you do have such a toppic. But inventing a tough or next to impossible problem is usually not a problem.
    Anohter way we use is to introduce a element of competition into assignments. Make them make competing designs/solution and invite an industry/scientific expert to evaluate and judge the solutions during a workshop/panel discussion. Works wonders for us.

    Caveat: this experience comes from teaching Environmental Science and Sustainability, not computer related stufff, but is should port finely to CS as well.
    If you want more info/literature on the topic of chalenging education, just mention it.

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    Complexity is a measure of our ignorance...
  6. Forcing them to admit cheating by Tal+Cohen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's something I've used while I was a TA. You could say it is a little ugly, but it worked like a charm.

    After every assignment in which I have detected cheating, I have published a note (to the course email list) that went something like that:

    During the checking of your submissions, some instances of cheating (copying) were detected. In all such cases, both sides (the copier and the source) will be graded zero, unless you approach me and let me know who really solved the assignment, and who copied. In this case, only the cheater will be graded zero; the source will be given his fair grade.

    It worked. It worked like a charm. For every submission that I suspected was a copy of somebody else's work, one of the students came up and admitted cheating (they were often pressed to do that by their friends). They had the most pathetic excuses, of course, but that's beside the matter. The bonus part is, many students approached me and admitted cheatings that I didn't detect.

    --
    - Tal Cohen
    1. Re:Forcing them to admit cheating by shachart · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Two comments:

      1. Being a student of the former poster (Hey Tal, enjoyed your physics exercises :), while currently not having mod points, I can vouch that it was the case. I know more than a single set of a cheater and a cheatee who approached him and told the truth.

      2. Being a TA myself (CS, though), I tried the following approach - every student writes the names of the students around him, in all 8 directions, in a specially drawn 3x3 box. Now, this killed 99% of cheating, as we TAs could get a quick verification of cheating suspects. It also helped us recognize cheating, since we could check the tests in the order of seating. This, coupled with Tal's method, could probably locate almost all cheaters.

      --
      Those who can, do. Those who can't, consult.
    2. Re:Forcing them to admit cheating by Stalemate · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In one of my composition classes during my freshman year a student copied a paper verbatim from Cliff's Notes. The teacher and everyone else in the class had read the Cliff's Notes for the material, so this was a really dumb move.

      The teacher's solution: give her a really high grade and have her read her paper aloud in class as an example of an outstanding paper.

      As she read the paper it became obvious to everyone in the class what she had done and she immediately approached the teacher and apologized, rewrote the paper, and explained the whole thing to the class at the next meeting. That class never had a problem with cheating again as far as I know.

      This could be applied to CS classes if there are student's with identical programs. Give them high grades and have them each present their solutions to the class separately and they will be forced to admit what they have done as it will become obvious to everyone present.

  7. YOU CANT WIN YOU CANT EVEN BREAK EVEN AND by cathouse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And you can't get out of the game.

    This is an area where you would be well advised to be VERY careful, and
    I suspect that the LESS automatic [ergo: more personal] your methods of
    detecting and dealing with cheating, the greater the risk to you.

    Two situations, both of which astonished me at the time:

    In High School, I always thought of tests about the same way that a Jock
    thinks of a Track Meet--Fun and Games with the chance of winning a worthless trophy.
    When this one bad-attitude twit with a two-digit I.Q. started whispered requests for answers
    during a mid-term, I thought that giving her 100% WRONG answers was a perfect
    way of dealing with an insult. Want to guess who got more than TWO HOURS of
    major [as in YELLING and ARM-WAVING]from both the Dean of Students and the Vice-Principal?
    Not the cheating twit-bitch.

    A few years later, Proctoring an Exam as part of my T-A duties, I spotted one of the test-takers
    repeatedly peering into a book-bag. A few minutes later, having seen the suspected Crib-sheet,
    I confiscated both it and blue book, then quietly ejected the cheater.

    Want to guess who very nearly got fired?

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    Thelma, I'm not making ANY deals.
  8. Questions that encourage/discourage cheating by PepperedApple · · Score: 3, Insightful
    As a TA for a computer science class I saw many instances of cheating, but they could be split into two types.
    1. People who cheated on most assignments
    2. Questions that many people cheated on
    For the people who cheat on many assignments, often turning in identical, alpha-renamed problem sets, I think the best solution is to give them a Zero and send them to whichever judicial administration your school has in place for academic integrity violations. Those people probably don't want to be in a CS course in the first place, or they have other priorities (Sports, Social life, etc.), or maybe they just have no faith in their ability to pass on their own and just need more tutoring. If you can make it less worth their time to cheat than to just not take the class at all, hopefully those people will take another class that they might be more interested in.

    But I've seen questions that honest/smart students cheat on. I've heard of people in the labs shouting answers across the room. The questions that caused this kind of cheating tended to be trial-and-error questions with one line solutions. In any class students are going to work together, and I think it's wonderful if they can help each other understand what's going on.

    So to avoid cheating, the best way is to create problems where the understanding is separated from the answer. This way students that just get the answer really miss out on something that the students who solved it honestly get.
  9. Collaboration vs. Cheating by Vadim+Grinshpun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've always found that I was much more motivated to do the work, and learned more from the process, if I had the ability to work with someone else--whether the policy allowed it or not.

    Working alone is prone to getting stuck at one place and not being able to move on, whereas when you work with a partner (or partners), there's a potential for a different perspective, which almost always helps. I found that I learned a lot simply from hearing a different take on the problem (usually, after getting stuck in solving it :) as opposed to spending hours agonyzing over a stumbling point and possibly not really advancing from it, thus learning very little from the assignment. Furthermore, many people learn a lot by just discussing the problem, as it forces them to think along paths their brains would not take if they were left to themselves; many things fall into their place and sink in much better in this fashion (for example, how many of you have come up with an answer to a tough question while explaining your question to a friend?). And let's be realistic, in the real world, many things are done collaboratively and are beyond any single person.

    A number of my CS classes at Cornell had a very simple policy, which has worked remarkably well (and I've seen this both as a student and a TA). The policy was, roughly:

    1. You are allowed to discuss the problem with others
    2. You have to give credit to the people you discussed the problem with (write down their names on your assignment)
    3. Everyone has to do their own writeup

    This policy had the benefits of letting people bounce ideas off of each other, to learn from others, to pick up things they wouldn't otherwise pick up. At the same time, requiring everyone to do their own writeup ensured that the people understood the solutions well enough to be able to formulate them well on paper--not an easy task if you're just trying to blindly copy parts of a solution without understanding it.

    What I saw with that policy in place was that people tended to form stable study groups, the overall results were pretty good (yet sometimes people in the same study group might have rather different explanations of the same things!), and also, in the rare cases of cheating, the cheating was relatively obvious and easy to spot.