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U.S. Lists Web Sites as Terrorist Organizations

mgcsinc writes "The United States for the first time has placed a web site on the list where it normally places terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda, placing several conditions on Americans' interactions with the website. Certainly, few could challenge the latest addition, but how could this ability to effectively squelch internet speech be used by the government with less valid rationale in the future?"

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  1. Re:What's Interesting About This Is. by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Rabin was murdered, in 1995, by Yigal Amir, who was a member of Eyal. Some have speculated that Eyal is loosely affiliated with Kahane Chai and Kach, based on shared memberships. Speculative, at best, although others may have evidence of stronger links.

    Kahane Chai has publicly assumed responsibility for a number of terrorist attacks of Palestinians, including Baruch Goldstein's slaughter of 29 people in the Ibrahim Mosque in 1994. Since March 1994, both Kahane and Kach have been outlawed by the Israeli government.

  2. Re:What's Interesting About This Is. by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 2, Informative
    Not from that page I can't. I see a bunch of inflamatory, racist drivel -- but last I checked, even racist speech was protected by the First Amendment here in the US. At least in name, anyways.

    Of course. Kahane Chai and Kach did not get on the State Departments limited and arbitrary list of terrorist organizations by publishing. They got there by murdering people and committing other acts of terror in Israel, Palestine and the United States. Baruch Goldstein, who killed 29 worshippers at a Hebron Mosque was a Kach member acting on behalf of her sister organization, the Jewish Defense League (JDL). Officially Kach is a political party and the JDL a militia. Meir Kahane founded both of them. Another Kach affiliated militia, Eyal, assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.

    Until 2001 the State Department listed Kahane Chai and Kach seperately. For some reason they merged them that year. The two organizations do have extensive cross membership. IIRC, 2001 was also the year the State department added Hizbollah to the list.

    According to the article, the list includes "newkach.org, kahane.org, kahane.net, kahanetzadak.com as aliases for the Jewish group Kahane Chai or Kach." This is quite different than listing the sites themselves based on their content. I wonder if the names in question are legal business entities.
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  3. The List by stry_cat · · Score: 2, Informative
    I actually found the list from the Federal Register. He link I used as at http://frwebgate1.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate. cgi?WAISdocID=91005011465+2+0+0&WAISaction=retriev e Here is the releveant text.

    DEPARTMENT OF STATE

    [Public Notice 4511]

    Amendment of Certain Designations Pursuant to Section 1(a)(ii)(A) of Executive Order 12947

    Acting under the authority of section 1(a)(ii)(A) of Executive Order 12947 of January 23, 1995, as amended by Executive Order 13099 of August 20, 1998, and in consultation with the Secretary of the Treasury and the Attorney General, I hereby determine that the organizations listed below use or have used as aliases the additional names indicated below. I hereby amend the designations of these organizations to add the following names as aliases:

    Kahane Chai (designated on January 23, 1995)
    Also known as Kach
    Also known as Kahane Lives

    [[Page 58739]]
    Also known as the Kfar Tapuah Fund
    Also known as The Judean Voice
    Also known as The Judean Legion
    Also known as The Way of the Torah
    Also known as The Yeshiva of the Jewish Idea
    Also known as the Repression of Traitors
    Also known as Dikuy Bogdim
    Also known as DOV
    Also known as the State of Judea
    Also known as the Committee for the Safety of the Roads
    Also known as the Sword of David
    Also known as Judea Police
    Also known as Forefront of the Idea
    Also known as The Qomemiyut Movement
    Also known as KOACH
    Also known as New Kach Movement
    Also known as newkach.org
    Also known as Kahane
    Also known as Yeshivat HaRav Meir
    Also known as the International Kahane Movement
    Also known as Kahane.org
    Also known as Kahane.net
    Also known as Kahanetzadak.com
    Also known as Kahane Tzadak
    Also known as the Hatikva Jewish Identity Center
    Also known as the Rabbi Meir David Kahane Memorial Fund
    Also known as Friends of the Jewish Idea Yeshiva
    Also known as Judean Congress
    Also known as Jewish Legion
    Also known as The Voice of Judea
    Also known as No'ar Meir
    Also known as Meir's Youth
    Also known as American Friends of Yeshivat Rav Meir
    Also known as American Friends of the United Yeshiva Movement
    Also known as The Committee Against Racism and Discrimination (CARD)
    Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (designated on January 23, 1995)
    Also known as the Red Eagles
    Also known as the Red Eagle Group
    Also known as the Red Eagle Gang
    Also known as the Halhul Gang
    Also known as the Halhul Squad
    Also known as Palestinian Popular Resistance Forces
    Also known as PPRF
    Also known as Martyr Abu-Ali Mustafa Battalion Islamic Army (designated on August 20, 1998)
    Also known as al Qaeda
    Also known as ``the Base''
    Also known as the Usama Bin Laden Network
    Also known as the Usama Bin Laden Organization
    Also known as Egyptian Islamic Jihad
    Also known as al-Jihad
    Also known as the Jihad Group
    Also known as Egyptian al-Jihad
    Also known as New Jihad

    I determine that no prior notice need be provided to any person subject to this determination who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, because to do so would render ineffectual the measures authorized in the Order.

    This notice shall be published in the Federal Register.

    Dated: October 7, 2003.
    Colin L. Powell,
    Secretary of State, Department of State.
    [FR Doc. 03-25888 Filed 10-9-03; 8:45 am] BILLING CODE 4710-10-P The really scary part is that next to last paragraph saying it doesn't matter if you have a constutional right or not, they are still going to detain you.

  4. My terrorist act of the day: by X86Daddy · · Score: 3, Informative
    And the four sites are:

    Frankly, I think this is perfectly acceptible action at this time, and I hope that the US does not try to go further and block the sites. When you can read vile words from the mouths of fools, you're often alienated from them easier than if they were underground, secretive, suppressed, and romanticized .