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U.S. Lists Web Sites as Terrorist Organizations

Posted by timothy on from the and-declan's-an-isp dept.

mgcsinc writes "The United States for the first time has placed a web site on the list where it normally places terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda, placing several conditions on Americans' interactions with the website. Certainly, few could challenge the latest addition, but how could this ability to effectively squelch internet speech be used by the government with less valid rationale in the future?"

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  1. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    The Web Site isn't the terrorist, it's the terrorist operatin the web site that's a terrorist.

    Squelching internet right? Jesus..you people need to get a grip.

  2. What's Interesting About This Is. by 1stflight · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With the current administration so adamant about not criticizing israeli actions...

    Jewish group Kahane Chai or Kach, which is suspected of organizing attacks on Palestinians.

    This is a first!!!!

    --
    3000 dead over past 2 years, still no free Palestinians, still
    1. Re:What's Interesting About This Is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      So attacking terrorists is terrorism?

    2. Re:What's Interesting About This Is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      They have existed for fucking ages. Did you truly believe that a place as fucked up as Israel had no terrorist organisations? Israel shot dead their leader a few years ago.

      Typical ignorant American.

    3. Re:What's Interesting About This Is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is a first!!!!

      Wrong. It's not a first, nor a last. The Kahane Chai group and its predecessor have LONG been labeled by the State Department as a terror group. In January 2001 (this was months before 9/11), the FBI raided the headquarters of a Brooklyn group that maintains the Kahanist Web site, and tried to locate documents linking them with Kach or Kahane Chai. That's worth repeating: They raided a terror group's web host service just to hunt these guys down. The US and Israeli intellgence services have also coordinated searches, and helped dry up funding for this group of thugs. (Again, this was before the hard-line attitude the US has taken towards terrorists since 9/11.)

      America gets lots of bad press in the world because of its support of Israel. Perhaps the US could do more to help promote peace. Perhaps the Palestinians could do more to stop killing children and civilians in restaurants and buses. There's lots of blame to go around. But now we've found a new person to blame: YOU, for not getting your fucking facts straight before you mouth of.

      Perhaps it's only a first for you, since you're finally starting to learn a little about something you obviously know nothing about.

    4. Re:What's Interesting About This Is. by 1113Coder · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Very few people realise that South Africa and the US considered Nelson Mandela a terrorist. He's now considered a hero. Draw whatever conclusions you'd like but it's interesting to think about.

  3. Isolated incidents like this don't mean much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Two days from now everyone will forget this. Overanalyzing this issue will only lead to FUD. I have full faith in the US government atleast when it comes to this kinds of issues.

  4. Re:America died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Three good quotes, one by a patriot, two by a fascist

    "The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre."
    ~ Frank Zappa, 1977

    ''If this were a dictatorship, it would be a
    heck of a lot easier -- so long as I'm the dictator.'' --George W. Bush

    "I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation." George W Bush

  5. Re:1984, right prediction, wrong year. by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Tool.

    Not everything you disagree with is 1984. Fuck. Bush is temporal. E.g. he prolly won't be voted back in...

    Or how about instead of pinning all your problems on one fucking guy you guys take responsibility for your own actions. Stop acting so paranoid and just relax!

    Tom

    --
    Someday, I'll have a real sig.
  6. Confused by astro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, in my never ending quest to get added to the FBI/NSA/etc watch list, I visited each of the sites referenced in the main post.

    I will admit to feeling naive about it, but the site kahanetzadak.com REALLY freaks me out. This is the worst kind of racism - it's as bad as American Aryan sites. Total hate. From my point of view, it's as bad an advertisement for modern Judaism as I have ever seen.

    The reason I state my response title as "Confused" is that I really wonder if this isn't some reverse-propaganda put up by (equally racist) arabs / palestinians to make the Jews look bad (awful).

    For the record: as a whitebread motherf'ing American cracker, I have no business even having an opinion, but I have long thought that our (our country's) support of what I understand to be a Jewish occupation of Arab lands to be absurd.

    Again, I was just shocked at the uncloaked hate and racisim that flows from that site. Quote from the front page (capslock is theirs): "DO YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO PLAY WITH THEIRS?".

    Gah, we live in a fucked up reality.

    -astro

  7. WOW ... rite on the money! by Tensor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That is in fact, EXCATLY what happened to me. I was about to paste the address when i thouhgt, well what if they are monitoring the logs as we speak.

    Since i am not an American BUT i travel a lot to the us for business the possibility of entry denial by immigrations was too expensive for me to risk it.

    i could use a string of proxies, but it was too much trouble for sightseeing.

    The land of the free indeed.

  8. Websites don't directly kill, Guns and People do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > When has an individual ever directly killed
    > anyone? It is the bullet that's fired by the gun
    > actuated by the finger connected to the hand
    > dangling from the arm that carries out the action
    >, fuckwad.

    There is a key difference. When you pull the trigger, you set in place a series of events that are irreversible. If it hits it's target in a place that will kill someone, you are the direct cause.

    When you post something on a website, people (may or may not) read it. They may or may not be inspired or agitated to do something. If they decide to do something about it they can either *CHOOSE* to do something constructive or destructive. If they choose to do something destructive, they may choose to destroy property or harm people. If they choose to harm people they may choose to do something mild (e.g. drop itching powder on their "enemies") or do something more serious.

    There's a lot of choice with websites. Websites are like books. They provide information. What you do with that information is completely up to you.
    Just because you read a banned book like "Fahrenheit 451" doesn't mean that you are automatically and inevitably a criminal.

  9. Re:America died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Maybe we'll just add a little context left out by our friend.

    ...anyone surprised by the speech must not have read Bob Woodward's Bush at War , in which he quoted Bush as saying (OK, in context of Cabinet meetings, but still): "I'm the commander. See, I don't have to explain why I say things . . . Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation.

    source


    So, the President's cabinet is responsible to the President, not the other way around. This is apparently either a revelation or signs of a conspiracy?

    What about the next quote, from December 2000, just after the end of the bitterly contested 2000 election which ended with 7 of 9 Supreme Court Justices finding that the procedures in Florida were unconstitutional and 5 of 9 finding that the procedures couldn't be remedied in the time legally allotted?

    ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: President-elect Bush and the four congressional leaders met for two hours.

    PRESIDENT-ELECT GEORGE W. BUSH: I told all four that I felt like this election happened for a reason; that it pointed out-- the Delay in the outcome should make it clear to all of us-- that we can come together to heal whatever wounds may exist, whatever residuals there may be. And I really look forward to the opportunity. I hope they've got my sense of optimism about the possible, and enthusiasm about the job. I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's okay. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier... ( Chuckles ) ( laughter ) ...just so long as I'm the dictator. ( Laughter )

    ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Afterwards, all four congressional leaders said they believed that today's meeting was a good start.

    source


    So, joking comments about the sometimes difficult process of democracy are signs of a conspiracy?

    And, lets add a few more quotes from Frank:

    Politics is a bunch of show and blow for people who don't understand.

    The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre.

    [We] like to talk about (or be told about) democracy but, when put to the test, usually find it to be an inconvenience. We have opted instead for an authoritarian system disguised as a democracy. We pay through the nose for an enormous joke-of-a-government, let it push us around, and then wonder how all those assholes got in there.

    Politics is the entertainment branch of industry.

    source



    Apparently Frank said these things during Jimmy Carter's Presidency. I wonder if he really believed that there was no difference between Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Regan? I wonder if he would assert that a Dean administration would be no different from the Bush administration? Maybe Frank is just a nut. A talented musician, but still a nut.

    I wonder, what is the mental state of the poster of the parent post? Bush hater? Nut? Conspiracy buff? Or just a member of the "looney left?" Bush may not be be everybody's cup of tea, but he is far from being a real, honest to badness fascist.

  10. Nothing New by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Two Jewish terrorists have been convicted in Tampa, Florida of planning bombing campaigns against Mosques as well as assassinations. The terrorist Irving Rubin committed suicide in prison awaiting trial to bomb Islamic targets in California. His jewish partner in these terrorist crimes is awaiting trial.
    All this talk about Arab terrorists while we ignore zionist terrorist groups that have been with us since the 1930s.
    Palestine might should like a horrible example but so far they have not done everything to Israelis that that Zionists did to the British. The zionists introduced terror bombing, hanging British hostages and even ethnic cleansing.
    Facts are facts. Antisemitism is stupid. Antizionism is a moral imperative.

  11. keeping freedom of the press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    and so we see the key to freedom of the press: But the law may not enable the United States to block access to the Web sites, if only for technical reasons. not that i'm advocating these web sites, because i'm not, but the only way we can be sure that freedom of the press won't be taken away is to make it technically or practically difficult or impossible for it to be taken away.