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Magneto-Optical Drives Reviewed

MikShapi writes "Tom's Hardware is running an informative article about Fujitsu's new Magneto-Optical drives and the MO technology in general. Is the caddy finally back to put an end to scratched Disks?"

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  1. I remember by Sir+Haxalot · · Score: 2, Informative

    floptical (basically a floppy disk which uses an optical tracking mechanism to improve the positioning accuracy of an ordinary magnetic head, thereby allowing more tracks and greater density.) drives etc very well, they had poor read and write performance and bad reliability. Although these new drives seem to give better reliability, their speed seems to be just as poor. I'd give it a miss and buy one of these beauties.

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  2. MO Drives. by anakin357 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Will never catch on. Period.

    Ever notice how the MiniDisc format truely never caught on? LaserDisc? ZipDrives? CD-R and DVD+/-R have many more people buying equipment in those standards. These proprietary formats will always have a few adoptors, but they absolutely must improve (by an order of magnitude at the very least, DVD anyone?) on the current standards.

    Now, if there were an MO drive/disc that could store 20GB on a double-sided disc, that would definitely draw some attention. And by attention I mean *consumer* attention. These are the folks that make the wheel of adopting turn.

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    1. Re:MO Drives. by Detritus · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are already in use. I've seen them in medical equipment and in workstations used for data analysis. One of their advantages over CD-R and DVD-R is that they can be treated like a normal disk. There is no burning, finalizing, multiple sessions, etc.

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    2. Re:MO Drives. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you looked outside your borders you might find cases where those formats "caught on".

      Laserdisc and MiniDisc where huge in Japan.

      The entire graphic design industry seemed to love the Zip drives. Zip was great because it needed little attention and one could drag files without thinking. To do that with CD-R and writeable DVDs requires a bad hack to be installed into the OS and the disc to be specially re-formatted.

    3. Re:MO Drives. by amRadioHed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They're made out of polycarbonate, which anyone who works in the optical (we're talking eyeglasses here) field can tell you is EXTREMELY prone to scratching. It's biggest advantage is in how impact resistant it is. I'll tell you one thing; I'd gladly trade the ability to flex a cd almost in half for one that doesn't scratch out of spite when you look at it funny. And the brand of disc doesn't matter; they're all made of polycarbonate.

      Why is this? I imagine anyone who made a cd that didn't scratch so easily would make a killing. I'm guessing the reason is that elasticity is necessary to keep the discs from shattering in your drive. Anyone know for sure?

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  3. How long has 1.44 been standard? by LargeNemo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's about time someone did this. Floppy disks are cool but they store so little. The IBM PS/2s came with slightly larger 2.88meg floppy drives, but for some odd reason, they never caught on. Zip / superdrives were in vogue for a time, but alas the media cost a pretty penny and there was no assurance that the PC you wanted to put the media in had a Zip or Superdrive. Mini-disk would have been nice, the media you could get just about anywhere, but it never was a PC standard. I like caddies, even if it costs me a few times extra then plain media. Doesn't take up much more space, offers protection, generally is a good idea. Video tapes offer this, old style video pre-laser video disks offered this, floppys still offer this (though I admit, I'm still using that pile of AOL floppies they sent me years past). People are stupid and don't take care of their media. Jewel cases break, more compact sleaves based cases still are prone to scratching. That one piece of software is always going to be in that box somewhere and just when you need it, it's damaged on that one file you need.

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  4. God I hope so... by The+Governor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is the caddy finally back to put an end to scratched Disks?
    I always thought that removable media (cd's, dvd's) with no protective covering was the most idiotic invention of our time. I hope MO or something similar makes a comeback, but it always seems like whatever is cheaper wins. Ah, who cares about technical superiority anyway, right?

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    1. Re:God I hope so... by Crolis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have to agree completely. When DVDs first came out I had to scratch my head on the reason why they didn't enclose them in caddies as part of the packaging.

      Considering how many DVD rentals are scratched or scuffed when you rent them from the local Blockbuster/Hollywood/Mom-n-Pop I can't imagine why they didn't go for this design choice.

      You could still have used recordable DVDs that were inserted in a caddy, but the store bought would would come in a sealed caddy. Seems like that's a better way to protect a 20-30 dollar investment in a movie from the natural wear and tear of being used.

      -Crolis

  5. Im sticking to my DVD-R by adeyadey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even 5gb is not really enough for me to back up my HD (or DV footage) efficiently - but its the best compromise so far. Ive had enough of obsolete data-formats in the past - I have film on "Digital-8" format that is going to be expensive to find a camera to read it.. Stick t the big formats - Mini-DV, CD-R, DVD-R, you will always be able to find a reader for these. Handy if you need to access your data on someone elses system too, without lugging a drive around. Mind you, I would like to see a 10gb version of DVD-R..

    By the way I was trying to back up loads of 1 hour DV films onto DVD - any thoughts on the most efficient process, the best MPEG2 encoder, etc?

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  6. Ah, yes by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone remember zip disks? Marvellous little things; decent storage capacity, decent access times, not too big size wise... Yet they failed. Badly. Why? First of all, the price: There is no justification for buying a 150 USD zip drive with 10 USD disks when you can get a 50 USD CD burner with 25 CDs for 10 USD. Also, there was this whole deal about Iomega being really anal with the zip drive specs ( Which in turn caused high prices which I mentioned before because there simply is NO competition. ) and the basic lack of Windows support for zip disks.

    Let's hope this doesn't happen to these MO drives, that'd be a shame... That said, when the hell will we be rid of diskettes?

    1. Re:Ah, yes by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know that up to a couple of years ago, all graphics designers used Zip drives and media almost exclusively. CD-recorders might be cheaper now but they were not this cheap 5 years ago, and you could just put a zip disk in a padded envelope with some certainty it would survive the post. Iomega made A LOT of money with zips, I'm sure.

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    2. Re:Ah, yes by shione · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They also had a huge problem with reliability issues known as COD (click of death) where the drive would make click click click noises and render the disks permanantly unreadable. I think that turned a lot of people away from Zip disks.

    3. Re:Ah, yes by doj8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can't imagine why you think Zip drives failed.

      It's like saying horses failed, because we now have cars.

      They had their time. They were ubiquitous throughout the graphics industry and are still widely used. I do agree that the newer Zip drive formats are less popular and less needed today. They do still fill a niche. Kind of like horses still fill niche today.

      At the time 100 MB Zip drives were sold, CD burners were several hundred dollars (definitely much more than the Zip drives) and CD burners had reliability & performance issues.

      I'm puzzled over the claim of lack of Windows support. From the very beginning even the parallel port Zip drives worked with Windows. Albeit, the parallel port ones were poor performers. But they were comparable in speed to many of the CD burners at that time. The IDE Zip drives (and now USB) have no such problems.

      Zip disks were not without problems, of course. But they did solve a problem then and still solve some problems now.

      In no way is that a failure. Just because the time for a technology has passed, does it make it a failure. By that definition of failure, everything is a failure because its time has (or will) pass.

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    4. Re:Ah, yes by rufey · · Score: 2, Interesting
      When I purchased my first CD-R drive way back in 1996-ish, Zip drives were less expensive than the CD-R drive. The Zip media was more expensive than the CD-R media though (15 USD versus about 2-3 USD).

      Sure, CD-R/RW drives are cheap now and Zip drives cost about the same as they did way back when. My PentiumII/350 cost a lot more 5 years ago (when I built my PC) than it costs now. In fact, it would be hard to even find a PII/350 being offered for sale these days. So did the PII chip fail? No. It was the hottest CPU to have in its day. Its just that as new technology emerges and improves in both performance and cost, old technology, unless its updated, is left behind.

      I'm guessing that in 5 to 10 years, people will be saying the same thing about CD-Rs vs DVDs. Why would anyone have purchased a CD-R/RW that holds only ~700 Mbyte and is slow (remember, think 5 - 10 years in the future) compared to DVDs, which can hold a lot more and is blazing fast? It isn't because CD-R/RW was a failed technology, its just that new technology came out (DVD+/-R/RW) and improved faster than CD-R/RW technology did (remember, I'm being hypethetical 5 to 10 years down the road here).

      But I definatly agree that the no-competition with the Zip specs certainly had a hand in making Zip drives less and less attractive to the now cheaper alternatives.

  7. Yup. by theTerribleRobbo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's a nice link for those who have no clue what you're talking about:

    What IS the "Click of Death"?

  8. MO drives DID catch on. by aussersterne · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um... Your definition of "catch on" and mine must be different. I don't think something needs to be in every single PC in order to have caught on.

    A product that has become indispensible and widely owned within its intended niche has "caught on" and MO certainly did that. Among digital archivists and many businesses with serious data integrity needs, MO has been the absolute standard for many years now. MO drives are in the wild all over the place and the disks (both 3.5" and 5.25", all generally backward compatible) are easy to order and available from multiple sources-- just not at retail, because naturally that's not the target market. But then try to get an 8mm data cartridge at retail. Or a DDS-4 cartridge.

    It's not a consumer technology, and never was intended to be, as is evidenced by cost. It's too robust to be a consumer technology. For the average household, there's no need for a $100 disk with glass substrate and a rigid part-aluminum casing, as many of our MO disks have.

    The same goes for MiniDisc... It's everywhere in some circles. In field research, I know a lot of people who use them for interviewing because they're convenient, easy to (digitally) label, CD-quality, and it's easy to shuffle tracks around, etc. A lot of studio guys also use it in cocert with (or in some cases even instead of!) DAT for audio recordings. And the bootleg crowd absolutely loves MiniDisc as well.

    And MiniDisc CAN be bought at your local store. At least where I live... Just walk into a department store and check the electronics section... A few portable CD players and a few MiniDisc players. How is that a market failure?

    Again, I think the only reason there isn't more consumer adoption is cost. A portable CD player costs the same as pizza delivery. A minidisc player costs the average guy half his paycheck.

    In any case, I think it's very simplistic to suggest that if a technology doesn't become as widespread as TV, it's been a market failure... although technologies that were once successful in their niche can eventually fade if a competitor comes along. I think that's what's happening to MO now, largely thanks to DVD-RAM, which represents a kind of compromise between the high cost of MO and the cheaper but less reliable consumer optical formats. I know that we have switched to (and I have bought for myself) 9.6GB DVD-RAM units because the disks are still protected and random-access, but are considerably less expensive and require less physical storage space than 5.25" MO.

    But the same thing still holds true... DVD-RAM is becoming more and more widely deployed as an archive medium, and meanwhile generally any DVD-R/RW story on Slashdot is 25% full of posts making fun of DVD-RAM as though it were already a dead technology, just because people don't know any friends who have one in their gaming box.

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  9. The most important feature of the MO disk by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You can comfortably put one in your pocket.

    One of the biggest reasons why floppies are still so widely used is that you can easily put several (inside a carrying case, of course) in your pocket and not feel too encumbered when you walk around or sit down.

    I can only surmise that the standardization on CD/DVD rewritables was a secret plot by the cargo pants industry to increase sales.

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