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The World's Fastest Electric Car

Roland Piquepaille writes "In this review, Forbes.com looks at the fastest electric vehicle in the world, the tzero roadster built by AC Propulsion Inc. 'The tzero does 0 to 60 mph in 3.6 seconds, according to the company, and it does it on only 200 horsepower.' The company says it starts faster than a Ferrari F355. It also has a limited range of 280 to 300 miles at 60 mph on a single charge. The company expects a price somewhere between a Porsche and a Ferrari, but Forbes says it carries a $220,000 sticker price. This overview contains more details and links. It also includes a rendering of the Tzero. Please note that the Forbes article has a very different focus from the one mentioned in a previous Slashdot reference."

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  1. Forbes missed a good point - go figure by ericspinder · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...hybrids, diesels and hydrogen cars now seem like more viable alternatives to electric cars, whose customers have complained about their golf-cart powerplant noise and limited range.

    The difference between a traditional electric car and one of those new-fangled hybrid cars is the power source only. What is really amazing about this car is that a 110lb electric engine produces 200 hp and that easly makes the transtion between electic, hybrid, and hydrogen cars. I am still scatching my head about diesel engines being included.

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  2. Ad Campaign... by bcolflesh · · Score: 5, Funny

    The World's Fastest Electric Car - don't let the price shock you.

  3. Talking about electric cars by photonic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What about the world's fastest SOLAR-electric car?
    The Nuna II, just won the World Solar Challenge, travelling 3000 kilometers in just 31 hours, averaging around 97 km/h.

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  4. And the tree is the... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 3, Funny

    World's fastest stopper. 60 to 0 in 0 seconds flat.

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  5. Golf Carts by Fastball · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anyone who golfs knows what kind of punch an electric golf cart has from a stand still shouldn't be surprised by this. Nothing beats waiting for your playing partner to get one foot in the cart and then flooring it. He gets bended backwards over the seat like a pretzel. Pisses at your and struggling with a sore back, he shanks it the rest of the round. Fun with inertia!

  6. Battery life! by illogique · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if it's like a laptop, you will have to change de battery after 1-2 years!! and how costly is a car battery??

    1. Re:Battery life! by Peyna · · Score: 3, Informative

      Rather than being 'design to fail' after the warranty expires; it is more likely that they are designed for their own purposes. Then rigorous testing will show the average time that the item will fail, and the warranty date is set to a time after that point at which they can still afford to have a warranty and not be losing money.

      The phrase "Designed to fail after the warranty expires" is misleading. The warranty date is set after the product is designed, built, and tested.

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    2. Re:Battery life! by suss · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't think that someone who paid $220,000 for the car is going to worry about the price of a car battery...

  7. What about the Tengo? by jpatters · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What about the Tengo?
    It gets 0-60 in about 4 seconds, and a top speed of 130MPH. That is certainly better than 3.6 and 60.

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    1. Re:What about the Tengo? by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Informative

      It also only has an 80 mile range...

  8. Where's the energy saving? by Davak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not trolling... I just honestly don't know.

    How are electrical cars more energy efficent than gas powered ones? We get the majority of our electricity from burning fossil fuels.

    If we all convert over to electrical cars, will be not just burning more oil and coal in our power plants?

    Where the energy-saving step that I am missing?

    Davak

    1. Re:Where's the energy saving? by Peyna · · Score: 4, Informative

      Power plants are incredibly more efficient at producing electricity than your car engine.

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    2. Re:Where's the energy saving? by Cecil · · Score: 3, Informative

      The most important fact here is that most powerplants are not emitting their pollution directly onto crowded downtown streets.

      Whether they emit more pollution en masse than vehicles do is irrelevant, as those are not normalized statistics. Electricity is used for just about everything these days, but combustion engines are used for transportation and very little else. Is it really any wonder that power plants generate more pollution? They're providing much more power overall, even despite transmission line losses (which are quite low, compared to the inefficiency of a typical gasoline combustion engine).

      If you could take away 33% of the CO2 emissions (vehicles) and add back maybe 10% of that by adding new power plants, does that sound like a good deal to you? They're more efficient, it really is that simple.

  9. Re:hmm. by mrtroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whose average commute is longer than 100 miles?

    And when you are sitting in traffic, do you need to go 0-60 in 4.1 seconds? :P

    Why can cars with a relatively low range not be used for commuting to and from work?

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  10. maybe a bit too light.... by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 4, Funny
    Drivers get an analog current meter, voltmeter, altimeter

    I have a problem getting into a car that is so likely to become airborne that the manufactuer put in an altimeter.

  11. Re:hmm. by icejai · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you read the article you would know that the range of 100 miles was the range of the vehicle with some older battery. With a 'new li-ion' one, the range was increased to 280 to 300 miles.

  12. Re:How much oil to make the electricity? by horza · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How much coal, oil, gas is required on a large scale to make all of that extra electricity that would be required? Seems to be close to a zero sum proposition.

    With every country but the USA moving to minimum renewable energy targets, it's an increasingly attractive proposition. Plus you can generate your own electricity if you wish, using renewable sources. I won't rehash all the benefits of centralising the cleaning of fumes in a power station as opposed to millions of portable generators, as already discussed dozens of times on Slashdot, so even in todays infrastructure it still makes sense (especially countries like France where over 80% of energy is nuclear).

    Phillip.

  13. Electric Motors have high torque by pz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Electric motors, unlike internal combustion engines, can generate maximum torque at zero RPM. This translates directly into excellent off-line acceleration, impressive 0-60 times, and all-round high performance. Around-town driving in an electric car should give the impression that there's a much bigger engine due to our preconceptions based on internal combusion (thus, the comment "only 200 hp"). Top speed, however, will seem stunted in comparison to that available from an internal combustion engine because they generally produce increasing torque with increasing RPM (especially below 2000 RPM).

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  14. It's in a bunch of places by Spamalamadingdong · · Score: 5, Informative
    How are electrical cars more energy efficent than gas powered ones?
    Among other things, electric cars don't sit in traffic with their engines idling but doing no work. They also have no throttling losses from operating at part load.
    We get the majority of our electricity from burning fossil fuels.
    If you have e.g. a Ford Ranger which uses 300 watt-hours/mile at the wheels while getting 25 miles per gallon at cruise, it is operating at about 21% efficiency. A typical old-technology coal-fired steam turbine gets 30-35% efficiency, a gas-fired combined-cycle turbine plant can beat 50% handily, and other technologies can probably hit 60% or more. If these are used along with co-generation to supply heat for other uses, total utilization of the fuel can probably exceed 80%. That's four times what the truck can get on its own.
    If we all convert over to electrical cars, will be not just burning more oil and coal in our power plants?
    But given the higher efficiency, we'll be burning less overall. We'll also have the option of supplying cars from nuclear, wind, hydropower or solar; anything that makes electricity is the same as far as the car is concerned.

    The substantial storage capacity of electric car battery packs would also give benefits for the electrical grid (which should be high on our list of priorities after 8/14/2003). See the papers at acpropulsion.com about vehicle-to-grid ancillary services.

    And no, I have no relationship with these guys, I just think they're clever and have a damned good idea.

    1. Re:It's in a bunch of places by jimsum · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Ford Ranger is actually less efficient since you didn't account for the energy costs of producing the gas. Producing gasoline from crude oil is about 88% efficient.

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  15. Re:The hybrids are the next step. by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    then when do we see hybrids that have REAL efficiency?

    30-50 MPG is a waste of time. the VW TDI deisel get's 55MPG and is NOT HYBRID.

    Hybrids should be at 60-80MPG now and +100Mpg by the end of this decade.

    until then I'll stick with a VW TDI and the ability to get it serviced almost anywhere unlike a hybrid car.

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  16. Re:You forgot transmission losses for electricity by Marc2k · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Put 100 megawatts of power into a transmission grid and I doubt much more than 50 or 60 megawatts come out the other end."

    False. Modern transmission systems can achieve under 2% loss in large-scale power transmission. And that's talking about a scale of Terawatts Hours, not Megawatts (keeping in mind that as the amount of energy lost in transmission is proportional to the amount of energy transmitted). Granted the site is for the UK power grid, but it shows you that any modern transmission system is ridiculously unlikely to be operating at 50% loss on a megawatt scale, even when dealing with distribution levels (transmission refers generally to connected substations, etc. on the power grid, distribution refers to how it gets to your house from there).

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  17. Re:hmm. by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "plus most driving in the city is sitting at a standstill so the vehicle uses almost ZERO power while sitting."

    do buy in to that. In the real world, its going to need a radio, and some enviromental controls.

    Not that this isn't interesting, but they really need a test that involves what most consumer would want.
    Clearly, buy purchasing this car, the consumer feels they don't need what a gas engine brings them, but how many people will sit inside a car with no AC when its 100 degree outside? or a heater when its 32F/0C outside?

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  18. Re:You forgot transmission losses for electricity by jafac · · Score: 3, Insightful

    " If OPEC decides it wants to raise the price of oil again, we can just make more nuclear power plants"

    No - the current political regime does not see things this way.

    OPEC does not raise the price of oil. OPEC cuts supply. This has the effect of raising the price of oil. Which is enormously profitable for domestic oil producers. Who donate huge sums of money to politicians to ensure that this continues to happen.

    So you see, there's NO incentive for domestic energy companies to abandon the profitable oil business and compete with other energy sources like nuclear, solar, wind, or faeries, and it doesn't have anything to do with whether a given technology is green or not. Has everything to do with how profitable it is to keep the market dependent on the artificially scarce resource.

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